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#3503390 - 01/25/12 02:41 PM Re: Is it just me? [Re: - Ice]
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Significantly faster? No. I'm not sure which is faster, but roughly speaking if you're chasing him or he's chasing you and you're within weapons range, you'll stay that way. Likewise neither can "run down" the other to get in range if flying away. Their top speeds are roughly equivalent. Perhaps acceleration/rate of climb might be different, so if you have to go from a hover to max speed and then climb over a mountain range one or the other might have a clear advantage, but as I said I try to avoid those types of situations.
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#3503433 - 01/25/12 03:18 PM Re: Is it just me? [Re: - Ice]
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#3503478 - 01/25/12 04:33 PM Re: Is it just me? [Re: - Ice]
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Thanks... so once in range (and you will be if you see the other guy), it's a fight to the death eh? I don't even think you can avoid a Hellfire missile as it is laser-guided. And the FOV of the Apache guidance system is MUCH GREATER than the Shkval.
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#3503505 - 01/25/12 05:06 PM Re: Is it just me? [Re: - Ice]
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It is very much like entering your Model-T Ford in a F1 race with the KA-50. I'm finding the A-10 far easier. It's like the Russians said 'Right, how can we make this really hard to operate, fly and employ weapons from?' and then doubled that lol.
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#3503535 - 01/25/12 05:49 PM Re: Is it just me? [Re: - Ice]
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The gunner in the Apache can keep his eyes on you while the pilot does his dance - not so easy for the dual-hatted pilot in the Ka-50.

Originally Posted By: "bogusheadbox"
That is incorrect, you need to be trimmed close to the hover to get a stable autohover as the autopilot used a percentage of control to achieve its target.

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Originally Posted By: "bogusheadbox"
Fly with the autopliot channels engaged except YAW. this will give you stability in pitch and roll but leave yaw to yourself.

There's no need to do this if you trim properly.
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#3503852 - 01/26/12 07:22 AM Re: Is it just me? [Re: EinsteinEP]
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Originally Posted By: EinsteinEP
There's no need to do this if you trim properly.


Of course this is true and i used to fly continuously with all autopilot / stability channels engaged. After a few people mentioned flying with yaw channel off, i decided to give it a go and found this allowed me to do more with the aircraft.

For me its a personal choice only.

Give it a go though and see what you think. It would be good to get others feedback on it.
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#3503864 - 01/26/12 08:04 AM Re: Is it just me? [Re: - Ice]
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Without the yaw channel engaged, wouldn't the helicopter constantly want to weathervane to point into the wind? I find the yaw channel useful for setting up a "sliding" hover. One where I want the nose to stay in one direction, but where I want to slide left or right in order to slowly reveal targets that are hidden behind terrain.
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#3503871 - 01/26/12 08:30 AM Re: Is it just me? [Re: - Ice]
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Of course for using auto hover and turn to target, yaw will need to be on.

I find i like it in applications where loads of direction cahnges will be needed, you are not fighting the autopilot in those. (ok it wasn't really a problem when i flew with yaw on as i just trimmed loads.) But i just find the aircraft more manouverable in this config.

SO hovering, entering the hover or wanting to use turn to target, yes, i will always select yaw on.

As for weathervane'ing (is that even a word?) into wind, not a problem as you still trim for direction of flight and direction changes are more like the old select hold trim. .

Its just my preference and probably not everyones taste. I used to have all the chanels on constantly, but this is my preference.

Give it a go and tell me what you think?


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#3503969 - 01/26/12 11:14 AM Re: Is it just me? [Re: - Ice]
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To each their own, BHB! Glad to see you found a method that works for you!

My personal choice is to leave all the AP channels on. I haven't yet had any problems with heading control, even in combat and evasive situtations. I find using the heading AP for route ingress, auto-turn to target, etc. reduces my workload letting me focus more on putting rounds on target.

I do use the Flight Director when making rocket or bomb runs, which raises the hair on the back of some necks, but my delivery accuracy is seriously affected without it. If anyone reading this has a BS2 .trk or video showing a successful rocket attack run without FD, I'd be very interested to see it.

[PS, "weathervaning" is, in fact, a word, and is a function of an aircraft's weathercock stability. heheh hehehehehe heheheheheheh]
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#3504016 - 01/26/12 12:42 PM Re: Is it just me? [Re: - Ice]
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