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#3500440 - 01/21/12 03:38 PM Re: DCS: P-51D Mustang Coming in 2012 [Re: ArgonV]
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Originally Posted By: ArgonV

Also, No more arguing by Mr. Arm Chair Pilot that such and such aircraft actually flew like this, when you have the guys that FLY the REAL things programming and providing input on the simulator! biggrin

You technical stick pilot guys should be real excited about this, you are not going to find better modeled flight models...


QFT!

You'll be amazed at the depth, degree and extent of nitpicking going on in order to get it exactly right.
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#3500445 - 01/21/12 03:44 PM Re: DCS: P-51D Mustang Coming in 2012 [Re: Nate]
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Well, this is a head-scratcher, and no mistake.

What's the point of this?

As small a market as the flight sim community is, it's already pretty segregated by period.

Do they really think they are going to tempt away any pilots currently flying the Il-2 series? Or the soon-to-be 'World of Planes' series?

I don't get it. Jane's Combat Sims (RIP) and Microsoft's Combat Flight Simulator (RIP) proved capably that - even at the heyday of interest in flight simulators on the PC - there wasn't room for more than one company covering a specific period to be profitable...


Think less about IL2 etc and more FSX - that market is HUGE.

Nate


Sure, and populated by people who have already bought heavily into FSX.

Had you ever really gotten into that? I did, for a while - to really bring that sim up to the awesome levels it can hit, you are spending HUNDREDS on new airport scenery packs, mission packs, high fidelity aircraft models (and, yes, there are several well-done P-51s out there), etc.

If someone has already invested hundreds of dollars into that platform just to 'fly the aircraft around' - what could the DCS series offer them that FSX could not? Heck, for the 'just fly it around' crowd (which is all you are going to be able to do in a P-51 anywhere near a modern battlefield...and do try to stay out of range of anything with a gun!), the DCS series cannot compare to FSX. In FSX, I can hop in a cockpit in Portland, OR - and fly back to where I grew up in Cleveland, OH. Stopping for fuel and site-seeing all along the way.

A P-51 can't fly or fight in a modern battlefield, and for just 'hop in and fly around' - your massive 'casual market' - MS's Flight Sim platform has that already locked down.

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#3500446 - 01/21/12 03:44 PM Re: DCS: P-51D Mustang Coming in 2012 [Re: Xander Fulton]
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Originally Posted By: Xander Fulton

Do they really think they are going to tempt away any pilots currently flying the Il-2 series? Or the soon-to-be 'World of Planes' series?


I suppose if you are interested to learn how to operate this particular Bird then it's a no-brainer. Just do not even for a second think that any knowledge gained from IL-2/FSX will mean that you can successfully complete a circuit in the Mustang - it's a wee bit frisky biggrin
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#3500450 - 01/21/12 03:48 PM Re: DCS: P-51D Mustang Coming in 2012 [Re: 159th_Viper]
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Do they really think they are going to tempt away any pilots currently flying the Il-2 series? Or the soon-to-be 'World of Planes' series?


I suppose if you are interested to learn how to operate this particular Bird then it's a no-brainer. Just do not even for a second think that any knowledge gained from IL-2 will mean that you can successfully complete a circuit in the Mustang - it's a wee bit frisky biggrin


Not Il-2: 1946, sure. And you are correct that the new engine (currently only with 'Cliffs of Dover') does not have a P-51, but the aircraft it DOES have, it certainly models in as much fidelity (every button and switch in the cockpit works) as any DCS game. So that series (next title being Eastern Front, and then...?) will handle this well.

And I guess that's the point.

We have IL-2: 1946, with it's follow-on series already started and promising this level of simulation fidelity in combat ('Cliffs of Dover'/'Battle of Moscow'/etc)

We have 'Wings of Prey' out already, and the soon to be 'World of Planes' for pilots that want slightly less realism, and are closer to 'casual combat sim' gamers.

We have FS-X for those who want a hardcore 'buttons/switches/navigation' experience and to 'just fly around'...the entire planet and virtually all airports and navigation points therein.

What does this bring to the table? For previous DCS games, the answer was easy - 'combat simulation of modern aircraft'. For this, though...it seems any particular group who would be interested in it for any reason already has a sim out there for them, that covers the topic better.

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#3500455 - 01/21/12 03:55 PM Re: DCS: P-51D Mustang Coming in 2012 [Re: Xander Fulton]
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Originally Posted By: Xander Fulton
And you are correct that the new engine (currently only with 'Cliffs of Dover') does not have a P-51, but the aircraft it DOES have, it certainly models in as much fidelity (every button and switch in the cockpit works) as any DCS game. So that series (next title being Eastern Front, and then...?) will handle this well.

And I guess that's the point.....


I was referring to the Fidelity of Flight and not so much the buttons and switches. Personally that right there's the dealbreaker.
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#3500465 - 01/21/12 04:03 PM Re: DCS: P-51D Mustang Coming in 2012 [Re: 159th_Viper]
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Originally Posted By: Xander Fulton
And you are correct that the new engine (currently only with 'Cliffs of Dover') does not have a P-51, but the aircraft it DOES have, it certainly models in as much fidelity (every button and switch in the cockpit works) as any DCS game. So that series (next title being Eastern Front, and then...?) will handle this well.

And I guess that's the point.....


I was referring to the Fidelity of Flight and not so much the buttons and switches. Personally that right there's the dealbreaker.


Seems to me that the 'Cliffs of Dover' series looks to have brought that up to at least DCS levels, as well - have you tried it?

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#3500470 - 01/21/12 04:11 PM Re: DCS: P-51D Mustang Coming in 2012 [Re: kramer]
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#3500471 - 01/21/12 04:12 PM Re: DCS: P-51D Mustang Coming in 2012 [Re: Spyder512]
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Huh? Is Cliffs of Dover working already? I mean, DCS has it's bugs, but I'd say it is 99% working. How is it for Cliffs of Dover?
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#3500483 - 01/21/12 04:22 PM Re: DCS: P-51D Mustang Coming in 2012 [Re: kramer]
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Eh, not sure why this couldn't have been left in the community hall. The only way I would have known about it was because I saw this topic in the community hall. How many others will miss this now that it has been sorted to it's own individual folder.
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#3500484 - 01/21/12 04:29 PM Re: DCS: P-51D Mustang Coming in 2012 [Re: kramer]
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ArgonV, TFC also have an airworthy twin stick Sea Fury as well as the single seater thats under restoration. Have to win the lotto, must have a Sea Fury wink
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