Just as seen on this wikipedia page.
Well, I know it's the functions that matter. BUT, fighter pilots (at least F-35 jocks) will no longer be the "macho" men they used to be in full flight suit, with helmet and mask on, like I always see in the photographs. That guy sure looks like the weakest robot type in a low budget futuristic-themed movie..

it looks evil,maybe they should go full horn instead of hellboy look ? kinda looks like the sphere helmets.

Alienware :))

This is so old now!

I think they should paint them black and put Hello Kitty barets on them.

I know I would, just to mess with people.

Isn't that what the dorky kid used to look-a-like?

Another picture of that helmet, I think. Now I swear I tried hard not to laugh when I look at it..but I am but a mortal..
Probably this is a new psywar tactic for future dogfights? The bandit will look at our pilots, laugh his ass off and lose control of his aircraft for a moment, just enough for the good guy/gal to steal a shot at him..

I think it looks pretty cool. The old helmets look good too but this just looks badass.

The "horns" project images inside the helmet?

Edit: I meant "stereoscopic images"

I'm wondering if there's going to be any noticeable increase in the weight over previous flight helmets.

Probably. It's likely made of carbon fiber. Strong as heck and lightweight.

I look at it and keep thinking, "Keep the other ones off of me, I'll concentrate on the leader."

LOL! It looks crap. I'd be more impressed if it had a 'Ghostrider' type flaming skull face projected on the visor, to strike fear into the hearts of his foes. Maybe a sound system for the aircraft could be fitted too, playing an Evil 'Muahahahaha.....Gaze into the face of fear!!!" in a variety of languages for low alt attack runs, depending on Theatre of course.

As it stands, he just looks like a frikkin DORK. Even sillier than wearing TrackIR 'space reindeer reflector antlers' on your headphones....snd that's saying something.

If it lets me kill somebody faster than he can kill me and return home alive after completing the mission, I don't care if they paint the damn thing pink.

I hear your point P, but it aint hip to be square.

Well it still looks better than what is proposed for the British Army for their Future Soldier systems helmet. That is just basically a motorcycle crash helmet painted tan brown.

But pink..? You sure?

Joking, hahaha. Completely understood, sir . As I said, it's the functions that matter. And as I far as I learned they're still developing it. Probably the final product will look a lot better. I mean, if the early F-117 pilots refused to fly "pastel airplanes" (even though the color proved to be better than black for night missions), what would they say if they have to wear that helmet in its current form?

You mean this helmet hasn't even been fully developed yet? Jeez. How long has the concept of JSF/F-35 been announced? Long enough to nail this helmet, I know that much.

It's the fact that they're still doing tests on it that led me into believing it's not fully developed yet. I could be wrong, though.

Because you're an expert in such things, right?

I hear they're having some issues with that helmet, I bet your expertise would be greatly valued. Why don't you give them a call?

You are wrong ..the reason is because it is being developed by the same the same crew that did Cliffs of Dover, they are still trying to get it to see in the correct colour and stop crashing everytime they put it on

C'mon man, no need to be like that. This whole JSF concept has been going on for years. What's so different about this helmet? It is military aviation's best companies working on all this stuff you know, not the Chinese!

They have reportedly had 'issues' with that helmet, so they are looking at a 'back up plan' helmet based on the new(ish) Typhoon lid.
Link.

If you have to ask you obviously have no idea and are making bold claims about something you're completely ignorant of.

Good thing the F-35 crews will be too young to remember "Buck Rogers in the 25th Century"


I'm sure nobody will mention it.

I'm perfectly aware of what is different with this helmet, it was kind of a rhetorical question. But as everything gets more advanced, so does the research and design. So what I'm trying to say is, why does there seem to be such a concept vs reality gap, in this day and age, over something which for all intents and purposes should have been accomplished?

Don't make me out to be some sort of ignorant over these things. You know it and I know it that these kind of setbacks should all but be erased with today's level of expertise and design, development and manufacturing processes. Just look at the arrestor hook saga. At the same time, this whole helmet thing is probably just non-news anyhow. That's the problem with today's level of news coverage and internet reports, every little fart what flies gets its fifteen minutes of fame or disaster - things years ago that wouldn't have had a second glance - and what would have remained classified long after the final product came out.

I work in the design and manufacture business, and I know no such thing because the level of perfect knowledge you seem to think exists does not.

In which case design and manufacture yourself a higher purpose than to trade "I'm know more than you" discussion with me.

Good Lord man, grow a pair and stop your whining. Maybe you shouldn’t post such absolutes like “I know that much” when obviously don’t know “that much” on this subject and then you won't get called to task on it. If you’re not on the team designing this thing you cannot POSSIBLY know the issues they’re facing and therefore cannot possibly know if the delays are justified or not.

Such is the joy of an (mainly) aviation sim forum.

You should visit the PPRuNe Forums sometime. Talk about a window into insanity..

Rumor has it that people get killed every two threads or so there.. Scary. C'mon, let's just talk about how funny this helmet is and the poor boys and girls who will be wearing it, okay?

Not killed. Just dragged into circular arguments ad infinitum. Worse than death.

Excuse me for trying to inject a bit of reality into the juvenile chattering about the aesthetics of the HMDS and uninformed prognostications on how long its development should or should not take.

Please, feel free to return to the alien / insect jokes and amateur project management.

From what i read at the marinemagazine site

http://marinesmagazine.dodlive.mil/2010/03/23/f-35-lighting-ii-helmet-mounted-display-system/

I'm assuming that this helmet display will replace the HUD yes?

Yes, Dave.

No, no, you got me wrong Dogsbd. Your insights are welcomed, too. It never hurts to insert serious discussion between jokes every now and then. But you know I made this thread not as a serious thread, it's more about having fun looking at the funny side of something as important as an F-35 pilot's helmet. Just to relieve us from RL stress. At least I hope you know that no one in SimHQ will laugh about this helmet and is serious about it.
Oh, and to be honest, your posts here made me interested to research a bit more about future fighter pilots helmet. Fun reading it is so far. Thanks to you

To see the future look in the past....Airwolf (Helmet) anyone?

Iceman said it best: Indeed..

This one? Hm, yes. Looks cool. Though somewhat Star Wars -ish.



They're selling it here, in case you're interested.

Ah, so MY attitude is bad.

I am showing a bad attitude by calling attention to an erroneous idea, but the one being corrected getting his panties all in a knot over being corrected is not an example of bad attitude. Have I got that right?

How about this, next time you post something about piloting an aircraft how about I intereject and tell you where you are wrong based on my vast experience having logged a handful of duel instruction hours over 20 years ago. Then when you tell me I am not qualified to correct you, and I then get all snitty about it, I’ll tell you that YOU have a bad attitude.

Let me review the thread and see what your first statement in the thread is:



I rest my case. People who make their own rain then complain about having to carry an umbrella everywhere might want to mull over just why they are wet all the time.

:shrug: I've been here long enough to know this is a useless exercise in social engineering. Continue your arguments (that actually have valid points) while muddying your message with your delivery.

I had a member of the site allow me to put on the helmet that uses the cueing system for the AIM 9X once (don't know any of the details). Very cool display system...

I still think the IHADDS is one of the coolest though (please DCS!)..

I thought this thread was about a funny hat.

This is SimHQ - this thread will end up being about sliced bread or feminine products given enough posts.

Edit - you have 2000+ posts..you should now that by now!

I have the coolest helmet, better than IHADDS so there.

Right you lot, you've asked for it! ....I want flashing beacons, thick sliced brown bread and moisturising roll on.

What I found interesting is that the F-35 will (according to what I've read) have NO windscreen mounted HUD.. Therefore the helmet display is mandatory (which also means it is a super critical component). I would assume there is some sort of backup (ie - MFD setting that replicates the HUD data perhaps..?)..

The article that was talking about the F-35 not having a windscreen mounted HUD is dated though:

http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/f-35-hmds-pulls-the-gs-04088/

Is that true?

Cool footage starts at 1:15:

Alright.. After watching that video I'm actually wanting DCS to simulate an F-35. Go get that military contract ED..

The SAR mode and display at 4:35 is very cool. Reminds me of the patch maps we used to build flying Jane's F-15..

More HMDS & EFIS porn:



Edit: Wow. After watching that whole video I'm struck by a few things. First - that is a pretty high workload cockpit. A lot of information there and I could see some definite opportunities for task saturation (despite the intent being to ease the workload and bring together mission information). Does the integrated helmet HUD blank when the pilot looks down into the cockpit or is the symbology overlay the cockpit instruments too? That could get a little busy..but I'm betting the HUD blanks at certain head angles (?).

I do enjoy the part where the narrator says that "the appearance of the Su-27s in no way affects the primary mission" (paraphrased). That sounds good in theory..but I'll bet it would at least get a heart-rate to bounce a bit higher. The SAR map is really great...as is the datalinked targeting capability to spread the targets to your wingmen. Friendly fire, I would assume, could still be a factor of course.

The video is awesome..but the fog of war and the way things often happen in not too ideal circumstances make the mission shown a bit of a one sided presentation.

Very nifty avionics though and like I said - seeing DCS do that plane would be very cool..

BeachAV8R

Lucky 16-year old.. Got to fly the F-35 sim..



I'm jealous..

Yea... but can it take 1080p video?

man,...a input failure and the pilot is literaly blind....

Well, I don't think so. Those videos show plenty of flight information on the displays. In one I saw perhaps the full HUD view with pitch ladder etc... And another "window" showed a regular red/blue attitude indicator/alt/airspeed combo display similar to the standby ADI in most planes. I'm sure those windows can be driven by a separate electrical source (either RAT or some chemical or battery backup source). I don't guess the pilot would ever be totally blind..

And Netflix...

if i understood correctly beach,it is a single screen,multi parted via software.so one failure in there,and blank screen.

You are correct Blade - I don't know if they can drive individual segments of that big display or not.

In this photo is looks like there is a stanby Meggit type display in the center lower pedestal panel:

I used to work on the program for a bit. I don't want to risk saying someting I shouldn't, but obviously a lot of this stuff is being addressed. I think it's safe to say that the goal of the system is to approach iPad levels of logical user interaction.

Of course the challenge with this is to avoid those situations when your iPad doesn't do the one thing you desperately need it to, also referred to (by me) (just now ;-)) as the "Talking MS Paperclip Syndrome".

I will say this. In the Night Attack Harrier, the NVGs can be set to shut off when your head is within a certain angle of the HUD so you don't get the double NAVFLIR and NVG image...very Track IRish. You can be sure that the helmet HUD on the F-35 is designed to provide the smoothest sensor integration transition...with multiple information reject levels...that the engineers can manage.

As for the issue of total loss of electrical power, that's a common hurdle in the day of the electric jet. Beach, obviously you know all about that in the Citation. In a plane like the F-35 that probably doesn't fly well (or at all) without ANY electrical power, they're going to go to great lengths to provide some minimal backup electric source (like the battery or a RAT) with things like the standby gyro or an attitude helmet HUD display on the hot battery or essential services bus so the pilot can at least get an emergency ILS to get on the ground.

Deacon

Thank you for demonstrating so clearly your bias by not showing the post that my comment was in reply to.

Flyboy stated unequivocally that there had been plenty of time to get this helmet working: "Long enough to nail this helmet, I know that much." Key words "I KNOW THAT MUCH".

Words have meaning, and the word know has a very definitive, unambiguous meaning that does not apply to uniformed guesses. In my business when I tell someone I KNOW something to be true I better KNOW it and not just be making a wild a$$ed assumption.

Now you, or Flyboy or anyone else, tell me how he "knows" this? What is his or your expertise that makes him so sure that he KNOWS what the timeline for this helmets completion should be? When was he ever involved in this program? What is his knowledge of this helmet and what technologies it is dependent upon in order to come to the conclusion that it should be a finished perfectly working unit by now?

Had he said "Seems to me they've had time to get this working" or "Why does it take so long to figure out how to make this work" or some such not quite so definitive statement I would not have raised an eyebrow.

It all boils down to this: I am sick of every 2-3 weeks seeing anything F35 related lambasted in this forum by internet amateurs / wannabe experts who think they have it so figured out that they seem to believe they're qualified to be running that program. There have definitely been problems with this weapons system and as a taxpayer who is paying for it I'd like to know where it has gone wrong, but neither I nor anyone on this forum that I am aware of has enough of an inside track to KNOW beyond any doubt exactly what should be accomplished by a certain timeline.





A valid point, that also applies to those who make claims like knowing things they can't possibly know.

No offence Dogsbd mate but people were just having a laugh on an obvious joke thread. It's SimHQ....'The Planet of the Japes'. I assure you I was in no way mocking the F-35, its pilots, or their bizarre SPACE-GIMP taste in headwear. Would you let someone who's fond of wearing something like that around the house babysit your children? Exactly. I don't care if his excuse is 'I fly combat jets for a living...I'm just honing my SA whilst doing a bit of hoovering'. Its still freaky.

Since I don't know the first thing about cutting edge Space Gimp Combat apparel development, I'm going to stay away from the technicalities of the subject. All I know is that if I saw someone wearing that outside a school I would call the police and have him arrested.

Hope that clears things up.

Cheers.

By decree of Dogs...all speculative threads in Community Hall should now be ceased.

Because it hurts his feelings.

I can respect that.

His passion for the F-35 is infectious. (sorta like Athlete's foot)

Only post those things which you are the absolute authority on. The integrity of the site rests on our members voluntary participation in this effort.

Thank you Members..

The IL-2 Forum is going to take this new policy especially hard. Poor bastages...

The good news is however that Community Hall porn threads should positively explode with this new site policy. Because I suspect we have plenty of experts on THAT topic.

Carry on Gentlemen. And keep it somewhat clean.

Very good Beach, you can't respond to the valid points made in my post so you just laugh it off. How typical, I've come to expect nothing better from you.

Tell ya' what. I'll end my participation in your little rant with your own quote from earlier in this thread.

You to Flyboy:



Me to you: Grow a pair and let people discuss the F-35, including speculation, without YOU getting your panties in a bunch.

Period. End of story.

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Now, I've posted some links, videos, and discussion stuff that are on-topic for this thread. I'd encourage other users to ignore my previous edict of not participating unless you are a Certified Professional, and continue the speculation, jokes, comparisons, and general bloodletting of information.

Good luck.

BeachAV8R

Man i'm so jealous of that teenager...the instructor was very nice anwering the question and all.

The Nevada terrain looks quite good too..

Dogsbd - I don't need to explain myself to you about how I've come by any of my knowledge or how 'qualified' I am to make a simple comment. Nor am I in any way opposed to the F-35. I'm simply making observations. I don't know why you're so 'protective', shall we say?

BeachAV8R - Thanks for seeing that it wasn't me who started these hostilities, I know me and you haven't always seen eye-to-eye.

Here is a video that some of you might find interesting...

Helmet Mounted Display Video (Used on Eurofighter)

Hint: The whole Staff is now watching. So it's time to, as Bill and Ted might say, be excellent to one another.

What amazes me is how much the videos look like Total Air War. Life imitating art.

Miao, Cat

I KNOW that this thread needs more cowbell and a little less M.I.B. helmets.

That is the best idea I've heard all day

Indeed. There appear to be similarities between the F-22 display symbology and the F-35 (it would stand to reason I suppose..standardization is a good thing). Again, I don't know much about the two planes - but I would assume (?) that the F-22 and -35 will be able to "talk" to each other (integrated battlespace buzzword..)

I'm guessing that digital wavelength (signal?) jamming will be the counter-measure of choice against the F-35? It is interesting to see the chess game continue.

I suppose you have to plan for the war you might have (China?) as well as the wars you're likely to have (COIN OPS - anti-terrorism and close-air-support). Limited dollars though and trying to figure out where to send the money must be very difficult indeed.

yes it is close to what was in TAW and in EF2000v2.0..

I can say this well at least I hope I an share this.. 2 years ago while at a FIRST Robotic Competition in Philadelphia I found out that some fellows from Lockheed where there promoting there new Simulator of that years game..

Well being they made the F22 I was going to go see if they knew where I can go see MetaVR's DECLASSIFIED F22 Simulator with MFD's and all minus the HMD.. Well the guy there was a total jerk and immedietely stated I will never get too see it it is Cassified. well turned out I just left as the guy did NOT hear a word I said so I left and enjoyed the rest of he days competition..

Luckily for me it was a 3 day Competition and I knew they would be there tomorrow as well. so this time I went to the MetaVR Website and printed the page about the DECLASSIFIED Simulator they made and also a screenshot of the** Cough.. Modded TAW** with the Right hand MFD In LANTRIN MODE with an MIG-21 Lancer locked up and in color..

Well it came out really good for a crappy printer so the next day early in the morning I head over the the LM Booth and there was an older Gentlemen there so I approched him and asked where the other guy was he said out for the day.. I then stated I was the Guy asking to find out if they had any info on the MetaVR DECLASSIFIED Simulator and he staed he was not aware of it so I showed him the Printed page with the MetaVR Website showing the Sim..

Well I then showed him a Picture of TAW and the guy just looks at it for a minutre and he said "Interesting"..

WEll to me that was cool as just maybe he was privy to the Classified Simulator and noted the simularities which at this time where many..

The HMD is going to be a good asset in the Future for Modern Warfare in both Air and Ground Troops..in all my years playing TAW and EF2000 may she R.I.P.!! I can not see fighting in a future war without this capability..it makes thing so more fluent and instead of your head down in the pit you are more SA..

I do like the F35 and its HMD.. It has been noted it kinda looked like a pilots Helmet i a Tie Fighter..

It is just a natural progression in these future systems..

I hope I didnt step out of bounds. I am still unclear as to if we can Speculate on its capabilities??

Great story Nephilim...



That and porn* are OK.

*Avionics and airframe porn only though..sorry..

I did notice in the comments of the YouTube video someone mentioned "when this simulator came to BED (Bedford, MA?).." So is this a mobile sim on a trailer?

I would reckon so, Beach. Or at least 'portable' enough to move from exhibition to exhibition.

Hi Beach here is the Company with the F22sim in a portable config and semi portable config note the MFD's and Cougar HOTAS

so here is some F22 porn:

http://www.metavr.com/casestudies/f-22.html


they basically make software to make your Own simulator and they built this Declassified sim pretty cool wish I could go see it still..

Another pretty amazing video (I like the guy giving the demo - he was in another vid too..) demonstrating a good bit of the hands off flying capability.

Jesus Christ Dog, Shut the F@ck Up. There are more people here than just you and Beach. If you have a problem, take it to PMs. The rest of us just want to watch the videos.

Ok, now THAT is a great sim. I wonder what that setup would cost?

Take it up with the site Admin Dogs. Any further discussions on that will be deleted from this thread.
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Here is a photo of the "real" simulator I guess. It looks like they have a stand-in helmet system. And that isn't Las Vegas terrain...anyone know what airfield? (Oceana? Patuxent?)

PIC

BeachAV8R

Another funny article/video that shows how the Military Industrial Complex is sort of like any other PR/Advertising firm. For the PR trip to see the F-35 in action they flew these reporters down to Pax River in a V-22 from the Pentagon. LOL.. I assume to get them all psyched up for the demo and showcase another piece of military hardware. Not that I'm opposed to it..but operating a V-22, even on a short 30 minute flight segment has to be extremely expensive (when the drive is what..90 minutes?).

http://defense.aol.com/2011/07/29/f-35b-decision-data-ready-next-summer-says-venlet-press-gets-f/

And what the heck is AOLDefense? I have this image of little running men icons heading into battle with battlegear on..

BeachAV8R

Yeah I thought it was odd when I first saw (not that long ago actually) that AOL has it's own defense section.

That's pretty cute Beach.


Wheels

Thanks for the vid Flyboy, haven't seen that one before
It's been a bit heated on this thread, some of you need to...

funny thing is I think that airfield is WonSon?? looks awfully familiar

Well, it isn't Oceana, Pax River, Pensacola, or Key West.

Maybe it's an Iranian base..