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#3502132 - 01/23/12 05:27 PM Re: Red Tails Reviews are flying in. [Re: Tarnsman]
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Not turning down any of the Red Tails's achievement - they did a great job on freeing the world from fascism.

And yes, look up the debate here on SimHQ. You just won't get a true picture like 72% of active members like it for 28% who don't.
You got users who like entertainment and a long due focus on that matter up to watch it and another bunch of guys who are never going to see it. Not once on TV. So no, don't expect an idea of "how" good this movie actually is.

However too many of those people getting to learn a tiny bit of history are badly informed developing a wrong picture of former people and times. Just skip any distress and unconsolable 4years old daughters losing their father for a cool aerial victory?

Ok, war is terrible wherever it's happening. Still some producer suggests a legend of a director to add a little bit more of this and spare this bit...all down to that working Hollywood formula of entertainment.

Just forget about that 5% rivet counters crowded herein it's that other 95% that probably once in their life have a chance to learn something and gain respect for how our ancestors and Grandpas had to suffer. That's why some of us posters feel sick.

That good old "underdog" story is dead like nothing else and millions paying are gladly getting their tragic spoof. Why do movie makers have to waste this -quite unique- aspect of WWII for that movie????

And entertaining as it is: Tell me about how cool an "underdog" story is portraying a 17 year old boy hardly knowing how to fly straight getting clobbered by 16 well trained Mustang pilots? Answer: quite cool, as long as the good ones get to fly on. winner


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Just imagine history had f+cked this up then: You'd be presented great entertainment depicting Jewish people as notoriously malicious and greedy child molestors beating unarmed Aryan girls whenever the good ones aren't keeping them down. Funny, right? Where's the popcorn?

Jewish people are as bad/good as Germans. And yes, scarred and dangerous LW-Veterans for sure were not the bulk of opponents the Red Tails had to cope with. There are films about war who get things right.

But who tells them 95% after missing their chance of a fair historical and humane picture? It's like in the newspaper: who reads these tiny clarifcations and counterstatements?

Mr. Lucas stay with your SciFi decoration though you will mess it up with your "what a Nazi crew could look like if it were 5122 AD" and don't f*cking touch a matter shattering millions of people then for a well spent evening today!

Right it's community hall forum - i'm clarly not into certain rivets. The CGI part is spot on, just move along... seehearspeak [b][/b]

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#3502660 - 01/24/12 12:05 PM Re: Red Tails Reviews are flying in. [Re: Hellmann]
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#3502813 - 01/24/12 02:54 PM Re: Red Tails Reviews are flying in. [Re: Suicidal_6]
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"Myth" 3 - So unless the author of that paper is ready to call Lee Archer (RIP) and pretty much every other Tuskegee Airman that backs his account a liar, this one doesn't hold water.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u6ZlBEjG-Aw
"Myth" 4 - I've heard several Tuskegee Airmen state they they shot down ME-262s which were the first jet fighters of the war, I've never heard one say they were the first...
"Myth" 5 - They didn't send it to the bottom but it was so badly damaged after the attack that it was never used again after that date and was later scuttled. I think it's pretty fair to say, that it was put out of commission that day, I don't see the point of the author trying to split hairs on this one...
"Myth" 7 - what Tuskegee Airmen has ever claimed they were superior to the other fighter units in the 15th AF? I do find it a bit odd that the author spent all this time digging up records for how many bombers that 332nd lost under their charge but didn't bother including how many were lost by the other fighter groups in the 15th AF
"Myth" 8 - The author leaves out the important fact that when the white officers were in charge the units were stateside all four squadrons deployed overseas as all black units, including the 99th which was attached to the 33rd FG
"Myth" 9 - Who ever claimed this!?!



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#3502881 - 01/24/12 04:49 PM Re: Red Tails Reviews are flying in. [Re: Hellmann]
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#3502886 - 01/24/12 05:19 PM Re: Red Tails Reviews are flying in. [Re: Suicidal_6]
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That is a tall statement to make sitting in front of a computer screen.

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#3502894 - 01/24/12 05:37 PM Re: Red Tails Reviews are flying in. [Re: Hellmann]
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Could have been done on a smartphone while walking down the street.

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#3502919 - 01/24/12 06:58 PM Re: Red Tails Reviews are flying in. [Re: Shredder]
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Originally Posted By: Shredder
The problem I have is that when it comes to movies/shows depicting historical events, I have a pretty good idea of what actually happened (as much as one can do without actually being there) so my motivation for seeing movies like this is not so much to be entertained as it is to see a re-enactment of what plausibly took place.

For example, Band of Brothers. I watched that mini-series after reading the book and I came away from it feeling like they did an excellent job of capturing actual events. It was gripping and realistic. Das Boat is another great example. What we have with Red Tails is obviously a movie made for entertaining with a historical pretext. I say to each his own but based on the trailers I've seen it looks to me like "Pearl Harbor" on steroids. No thanks.


Shredder.. that's a pretty good analogy to my sentiments regarding any kind of film on previous war topics. Nevertheless, I can draw a line between fact and entertainment fancy and put them into different categories without feeling too guilty. I've mentioned the desire to watch a good war documentary previously, however, if I can coax my 20 year old son into going to the theater with me to watch the flick, I might do so. It might be good for the soul. smile
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#3502933 - 01/24/12 07:24 PM Re: Red Tails Reviews are flying in. [Re: Tarnsman]
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Originally Posted By: Tarnsman

As the movie says it was "based on real events" its not a documentary and its not a Steven Speilberg film. Its a pulp fiction, heroic action film al la George Lucas.


I realize that, as indicated in my post.
Even still, there were things that were unnecessarily bad.

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#3533152 - 03/05/12 06:28 PM Re: Red Tails Reviews are flying in. [Re: Hellmann]
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I never got a chance to catch this in the theater; will rent it though.


Here's one for the soundtrack...




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#3533358 - 03/06/12 04:36 AM Re: Red Tails Reviews are flying in. [Re: Hellmann]
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