So, I get a call from a lab mate to fire up the new IL2 with 4.11, and after getting it setup, I see that some Spitfire loving open pit modder has taken over the 4.11 patch.

FW A9 used to go 580 kph and was a BnZ plane, now it is a Ki-61 turd.
FW D9 used to hit 590, now it hits 580, and overheats in 20 seconds, instead of 4 -7 min like in real life.

And my poor lovely TA-152 H1
Used to hit 580/590 kph but now only goes 560, and overheats in about 20 seconds on boost. Worthless now to fly this plane as it was used in high BnZ fashion.

In instance, most of the planes in the sim now overheat on boost in about 20 seconds. Aviation manuals needed Team Diadolos, IRL it took usually 2 to 7 min for most planes.

I appreciate the 6 DOF for the Track IR, new difficulty settings and small fixes, but you have done a fair amount to ruin the BnZ aspect of the sim for more advanced players.

Wake up, secure the right aviation manuals and remove heads from butts.

And stop adding flyable planes, no one wants to #$@!#@! fly. If your a big fan of the Pe, awesome. You can fly it with the two other retired gentleman that have forgone sex in their marriages for the excitement of bombers.

Sheesssh

By using correct operating procedures you will find that it now take much more to get the max out of your ride. Not just powering up 110% throttle and off you go. 4.11 brings in ton of new and huge fixes that should have been there from the start.



And for the record, many of us love the new bombers and (soon to be flyable) AI planes. Whereas you call yourself "an advanced player", I think of you as "a limited one" for not experiencing this sim to its fullest. Thank God TD doesn't listen the likes of you.

I did not say I am an advanced player, simply a fan of energy planes. Not powering up to 110% is great and many of the changes seem nice, but TD ruined the FWs. There is a reason the Germans designed those planes to be BnZ energy fighters, and not have low wing loading. And, no 44 or 45 year fighter overheated on boost in a dive with the radiator open in 20 seconds.

I have read your guide before and seen your P51 victories track (which is uber) but you forget one thing, I have fought several of the TD folks online, and in many instances it was my FW A9, D9 or TA that tore thru their Spits. Yes, I have met TD before in isolated pockets of online combat.

Now kindly put back the FW flight models.

So you're saying put back an in accurate FM to please you and your ego?
I can go with that, perhaps they can put another 30-40 MPH on the Spits for me too.

Many people are saying the FWs are better than ever. Yet to play it myself, just saying.

So I've heard too. Haven't had the chance to test it yet. With this in mind...





... I will need to test it before posting further comments. Non the less, your above comment about TD leads to what point? Alluding that TD deliberately messed up FW FM's because they kept getting their arses shot out of the sky?? I rest my case.

The major reason why I flew P-51 (before switching to bombers) was not just because I liked its looks, but because of the 3 top dogs at that time (D-9, Tempest, and P-51D) it was the most difficult to master thus the satisfaction was greater. I love flying 190s/Tempests almost as much as Stangs.

As for the overheating, there are many small issues that need to be ironed out. We will definitely get a patch for 4.11 soon. If you have hard data to back up your claims, post them over at banana forums. The only way to do it, everything else is dissipating energy.

Well, you can't deny his passion.

Brigs, trust me, enough gifts have already been thrown the way of Spit in IL2 ad bountifulum.

Thormeister - We both know, no late war fighter overheated in ~25 seconds while on boost in a dive. I will try to dig up later this month with my limited German, some of those FW manuals, but I believe the real life boost time was about ~5 to 7 min before engine damage began. Restored or rebuilt P-51s from the War also dont overheat in level flight on a hot day in 20 seconds (and I am not talking about the modified ones for use in something like the Reno Air Races).

As it is now, you have a whole gaggle of TnB planes (uber spits, ufo 185 that had two prototypes in real life (lol), etc) that do 550 to 580 kph and a whole gaggle of now poorly performing BnZ planes that do 560 to 580, but thanks to the excessive overheat model and FW changes, their advantages in the BnZ arena have pretty much gone out the door. Is there any reason now not to fly the Spit 25lbs all the time?

Read it for yourself, all 7 pages and counting. When you get through, you can read the Corsair thread, too.

http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showthread.php?t=29083

Thanks Dave. I rest my case, ... the FWs have been trashed. I especially enjoy the comments from TD members where they tested out the new flight models (FM) in the quick mission builder.

Say, what ?

Are you $@@!$@! kidding me? Even the upgraded AI could be defeated by a 120 IQ seven year old after three or four days of practice.

So many nice changes with 4.11, but for me and my duel server, back to 4.10.1.

Give me a week or two (until I get back to the USA) and I will release this patch as is, but with a built in uninstaller too (with the hotfix included). This will allow everyone to try it and then uninstall it if they choose.

The majority of the Spitfire fanboys were up in arms about the 4.10 patch introducing the new less stable Spitfire. It has a greater response to adverse yaw than before requiring more dedicated rudder use and making the Spitfire a generally more difficult aircraft to fly. Those people are still up in arms about the 4.11 patch not "correcting" that.

What the Spitfire has to do with a FW190 discussion is totally unknown to me.

The FW190 did get quite a few changes. I noticed that you haven't (yet) mentioned the much improved turn times, better energy retention, and faster acceleration making the FW190 better able to maintain overall speed.

Fixed that for ya.

Bye bye to the Noob-tube of Il-2 1946, 190 pilots have to work for a living now.

Are you kidding me Blonde? It has never been easy to be a FW BnZ man and now it is down the sh#tter. And even when I go dig up the actual info and boost data, some other spit knucklehead will come along with a different source claiming it is incorrect. And so goeth into debate infinity

Icefire - The FW doesnt need much improved turn times. It is not a Spit.

I don't know, sounds possible there might be a legitimate complaint, at least where the Corsair takeoff perforamce is concerned, but it also sounds like that will be addressed.

I haven't played 4.11 yet by I am curious about the overheating. While I can't speak intelligently about the -190, from everything I've read about Corsair pilots, the it seemed they could throw that plane all over the place at full power, full prop pitch, and long (longer than 20 sec, anyway) burst of WEP without it breaking the plane. Engine may have needed an overhaul afterwards, but it didn't burn out in flight.

Does "Engine Overheat" really mean that your engine is overheating or is it the game's way of saying, "keep an eye on that".

Ignore it and the engine will Overheat and sieze. That has always been the case but I don't know how much v4.11m has changed it?


Wheels

According to the 4.11m readme, engine damage from overheat no longer occurs at a set time after overheat and the type of damage can vary (oil overheat vs. coolant overheat).

Why would one use boost in a dive...?

Legitimate data is still the basis of a solid argument. Otherwise I wouldn't bother. Still not sure what the Spitfire has to do with it.

It did need improved turn times. They were off by a couple of seconds (I believe it's the British tests I was reading for that) and thus that along with a variety of other issues in the modeling has been corrected. In my mind for the MUCH better. The biggest problem I have with the FW190 in 4.11 is to get it to slow down on landing. It holds energy maybe a little TOO well now.