So, I get a call from a lab mate to fire up the new IL2 with 4.11, and after getting it setup, I see that some Spitfire loving open pit modder has taken over the 4.11 patch.

FW A9 used to go 580 kph and was a BnZ plane, now it is a Ki-61 turd.
FW D9 used to hit 590, now it hits 580, and overheats in 20 seconds, instead of 4 -7 min like in real life.

And my poor lovely TA-152 H1
Used to hit 580/590 kph but now only goes 560, and overheats in about 20 seconds on boost. Worthless now to fly this plane as it was used in high BnZ fashion.

In instance, most of the planes in the sim now overheat on boost in about 20 seconds. Aviation manuals needed Team Diadolos, IRL it took usually 2 to 7 min for most planes.

I appreciate the 6 DOF for the Track IR, new difficulty settings and small fixes, but you have done a fair amount to ruin the BnZ aspect of the sim for more advanced players.

Wake up, secure the right aviation manuals and remove heads from butts.

And stop adding flyable planes, no one wants to #$@!#@! fly. If your a big fan of the Pe, awesome. You can fly it with the two other retired gentleman that have forgone sex in their marriages for the excitement of bombers.

Sheesssh

By using correct operating procedures you will find that it now take much more to get the max out of your ride. Not just powering up 110% throttle and off you go. 4.11 brings in ton of new and huge fixes that should have been there from the start.



And for the record, many of us love the new bombers and (soon to be flyable) AI planes. Whereas you call yourself "an advanced player", I think of you as "a limited one" for not experiencing this sim to its fullest. Thank God TD doesn't listen the likes of you.

I did not say I am an advanced player, simply a fan of energy planes. Not powering up to 110% is great and many of the changes seem nice, but TD ruined the FWs. There is a reason the Germans designed those planes to be BnZ energy fighters, and not have low wing loading. And, no 44 or 45 year fighter overheated on boost in a dive with the radiator open in 20 seconds.

I have read your guide before and seen your P51 victories track (which is uber) but you forget one thing, I have fought several of the TD folks online, and in many instances it was my FW A9, D9 or TA that tore thru their Spits. Yes, I have met TD before in isolated pockets of online combat.

Now kindly put back the FW flight models.

So you're saying put back an in accurate FM to please you and your ego?
I can go with that, perhaps they can put another 30-40 MPH on the Spits for me too.

Many people are saying the FWs are better than ever. Yet to play it myself, just saying.

So I've heard too. Haven't had the chance to test it yet. With this in mind...





... I will need to test it before posting further comments. Non the less, your above comment about TD leads to what point? Alluding that TD deliberately messed up FW FM's because they kept getting their arses shot out of the sky?? I rest my case.

The major reason why I flew P-51 (before switching to bombers) was not just because I liked its looks, but because of the 3 top dogs at that time (D-9, Tempest, and P-51D) it was the most difficult to master thus the satisfaction was greater. I love flying 190s/Tempests almost as much as Stangs.

As for the overheating, there are many small issues that need to be ironed out. We will definitely get a patch for 4.11 soon. If you have hard data to back up your claims, post them over at banana forums. The only way to do it, everything else is dissipating energy.

Well, you can't deny his passion.

Brigs, trust me, enough gifts have already been thrown the way of Spit in IL2 ad bountifulum.

Thormeister - We both know, no late war fighter overheated in ~25 seconds while on boost in a dive. I will try to dig up later this month with my limited German, some of those FW manuals, but I believe the real life boost time was about ~5 to 7 min before engine damage began. Restored or rebuilt P-51s from the War also dont overheat in level flight on a hot day in 20 seconds (and I am not talking about the modified ones for use in something like the Reno Air Races).

As it is now, you have a whole gaggle of TnB planes (uber spits, ufo 185 that had two prototypes in real life (lol), etc) that do 550 to 580 kph and a whole gaggle of now poorly performing BnZ planes that do 560 to 580, but thanks to the excessive overheat model and FW changes, their advantages in the BnZ arena have pretty much gone out the door. Is there any reason now not to fly the Spit 25lbs all the time?

Read it for yourself, all 7 pages and counting. When you get through, you can read the Corsair thread, too.

http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showthread.php?t=29083

Thanks Dave. I rest my case, ... the FWs have been trashed. I especially enjoy the comments from TD members where they tested out the new flight models (FM) in the quick mission builder.

Say, what ?

Are you $@@!$@! kidding me? Even the upgraded AI could be defeated by a 120 IQ seven year old after three or four days of practice.

So many nice changes with 4.11, but for me and my duel server, back to 4.10.1.