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#3497765 - 01/18/12 07:22 PM
Re: Internet in protest against censorship.
[Re: Desert Eagle]
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I wish they'd clean up the porn, end the piracy, and generally restore good order and discipline. Perhaps you should be required to have a valid Internet license that can be revoked if you get too nasty, like the people you see leaving comments at CNN and Fox. I see nothing wrong with attempting to bring order to the zoo. I guess I'm old fashioned and conservative, but I find it hard to believe that people are talking about armed insurrection over the government reining in piracy. What's the big deal with everyone hating on governments these days? If there's something we don't like, we can change things by getting peacefully involved, not flipping out and wanting to revolt. If you don't like government, you should try life without one for awhile. I've been to several places like that during my time in uniform. Give me law and order. Cheers! Rick... 
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#3497768 - 01/18/12 07:28 PM
Re: Internet in protest against sensorship.
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Simhq Weather man, dropping rain in your parade
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so let me get this right,
Lets say I own a website whos domain is located in England etc, I post a picture of SimHQ, fearless frog visits my website and is horrified to see that I have broken some IP laws, contacts the domain and quotes SOPA/PIPA violation etc, and my website would get taken down?
If so that stinks, even more so because its a US law that is effecting a non US Citizen in a non US country, and my UK domain would have to comply with a US law?
That is seriously wrong. Didn't you know ? the internet belongs to AMERICA, remember that bill they wanted to pass ? this is problably it's offspring. I wish they'd clean up the porn, Cheers! Rick... They wanted to make a specific domain for pornography but the porn guys didn't aprove as they would lose audience,and other things i do not clearly recall,but it was the way it was written that put them off, it was almost like making a second internet just for porn,and they would be away from visibility in searchs like google and such,
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#3497770 - 01/18/12 07:32 PM
Re: Internet in protest against censorship.
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What's the big deal with everyone hating on governments these days? If there's something we don't like, we can change things by getting peacefully involved, not flipping out and wanting to revolt. That's part of why I don't even dignify the stuff like how DNS blocking is what China uses. Really. As though the USA using a technology that is abused by a foreign government means that somehow the warped political/social situation in the foreign land looms like a specter over the USA. In no way. Or that somehow "bad guys" would be able to roam the internet and shut down every website they see. Last I checked in the real world, that world where my keyboard sits on my desk, filing a false police report or affidavit was a crime. And a much more traceable crime than having a radio playing during a webcam video. Or that somehow just because these bills might pass, there will be zero review of any of the wild doom that will befall the internet. That no justice system would ever review the IP infringement claims, nor prosecute false claims. Just Google deleted forever. I in no way care for these bills. But I'd much prefer to rebut them on their actual weaknesses than the ideas above.
Edited by adlabs6 (01/18/12 07:33 PM)
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#3497772 - 01/18/12 07:33 PM
Re: Internet in protest against censorship.
[Re: Desert Eagle]
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I guess I'm old fashioned and conservative, but I find it hard to believe that people are talking about armed insurrection over the government reining in piracy. I'm guessing you must not have read the whole thread. If not you should go back and read some of the examples of how broad the bill is and how easily it could be used against a site like SimHQ. It's worth pointing out too that plenty of pirates have come out and explained why SOPA won't actually do jack to stop online piracy. And besides, the Internet couldn't exist without porn, could it? 
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#3497779 - 01/18/12 07:36 PM
Re: Internet in protest against censorship.
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Agreed on tryinbg to clean things up, the lack of swear filter on youtube is just hopeless.By comment 2 some kiddie is of course and calling some other poster a /*&^*%^&!!! Not that i go there for the conversation but still, is it that hard ? My kids see it and read it and it just has become mainstream to use the f and c word by the time you are 10 or so because of the net.The last thing you need though is the government trying to clean it up, thats a sure fire way to trash it completely.
Whats with all the swearing when you watch a wiggles video..i mean seriously, the Wiggles lol.
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#3497792 - 01/18/12 07:55 PM
Re: Internet in protest against sensorship.
[Re: Ajay]
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Only established police states with massive internal security forces truly outgun anybody in this scenario.
Really? So the American civilian population has more firepower than the entire US military? The most powerful and largest military in the world? I would be surprised if they didnt going by your guns per household , at least 90 per 100 and that was 2007. so what 280 odd million guns?..and that's only the legal gun owners  Sure civilians proably do not have Tanks and Aircraft but still.. i imagine if you pooled all of Americans private weapons (legal and illegal) it would be damn near enough to at least create the second biggest armed force in the world..if not the first  If that's what it came down to, might as well go crop dusting over rebellious enclaves with chemical agents. You don't have to fight everyone, shut down the electricity grid, cut the water supply, let them fester in their own sewage. A few days of that will take some of the morale out of alot of folks. People just aren't that united anyway. It's not like fighting over the means to survive or anything, the Internet is still more of a convenience that only recently came into existence. With 2/3 of the world living in dire straits, is an online piracy bill that much reason to throw a tantrum over? It would be better to just iron out the warts than to implode that quickly.
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#3497796 - 01/18/12 08:03 PM
Re: Internet in protest against censorship.
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In today's world most people just got lazy, most people who are against SOPA didn't even contact their representative.
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#3497815 - 01/18/12 08:36 PM
Re: Internet in protest against censorship.
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What's the big deal with everyone hating on governments these days? If there's something we don't like, we can change things by getting peacefully involved, not flipping out and wanting to revolt. That's part of why I don't even dignify the stuff like how DNS blocking is what China uses. Really. As though the USA using a technology that is abused by a foreign government means that somehow the warped political/social situation in the foreign land looms like a specter over the USA. In no way. Or that somehow "bad guys" would be able to roam the internet and shut down every website they see. Last I checked in the real world, that world where my keyboard sits on my desk, filing a false police report or affidavit was a crime. And a much more traceable crime than having a radio playing during a webcam video. Or that somehow just because these bills might pass, there will be zero review of any of the wild doom that will befall the internet. That no justice system would ever review the IP infringement claims, nor prosecute false claims. Just Google deleted forever. I in no way care for these bills. But I'd much prefer to rebut them on their actual weaknesses than the ideas above. Oh, a bit of hyperbole is better than cowardice and complacency in these situations I feel. Relying on govt legislators not to 'overstep the mark, and do the decent thing' is an interesting approach, and conveniently lazy for those involved too. Nothing bad would happen in the US, I mean, we just wouldn't allow it, would we? lol You've contacted your representative already adlabs or assumed someone else would on your behalf I imagine?
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#3497825 - 01/18/12 08:58 PM
Re: Internet in protest against censorship.
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I wish they'd clean up the porn, end the piracy, and generally restore good order and discipline. Perhaps you should be required to have a valid Internet license that can be revoked if you get too nasty, like the people you see leaving comments at CNN and Fox. I see nothing wrong with attempting to bring order to the zoo. I guess I'm old fashioned and conservative, but I find it hard to believe that people are talking about armed insurrection over the government reining in piracy. What's the big deal with everyone hating on governments these days? If there's something we don't like, we can change things by getting peacefully involved, not flipping out and wanting to revolt. If you don't like government, you should try life without one for awhile. I've been to several places like that during my time in uniform. Give me law and order. Cheers! Rick... Who are you and what have you done with the real Rick?
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