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#3497689 - 01/18/12 02:58 PM
Opinions wanted- leaving a job without a comparable job lined up
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...and by comparable I mean in the same field or niche, in the same position, and with the same benefits.
I am really ready to leave. In addition to looking for a better job (more $$ and higher level of satisfaction) in my same field of technical writing and editing, I am starting to look for positions in a different field (that still utilize my same skills, though) and possibly with fewer hours (25-30 per week) so that I can use that extra time to try different things, and as importantly, consider what career niche might be best for me (for example, I currently write about products I don't use, to an audience I am not part of...I realize that this isn't fulfilling to me at all).
It's basically a time-money tradeoff: more time for me to try my hand at different activities, network in my field (I am a member of my field's professional organization), do some volunteer work, continue looking for a better Career (full time, full benefits, etc).
The obvious risk is that I might be without insurance, or at most, with very high deductible disaster health coverage. I would also have less money coming in to send to 401K, Roth IRA, etc. And possibly, though less likely, that some future hiring managers would think poorly of my voluntarily leaving my field and taking an unrelated career position (to which I'd reply something to the effect that the unexamined life is not worth living)--I hear that this attitude is less common, especially given how most people switch jobs every 3-5 years or so.
Bottom line though is that I am DONE in my mind where I am now, and feel like I am starting to phone it in. There's lots of work on the horizon, and I am not motivated to do it, or be a go getter. Even though I am in excellent health, I'm 42, so the issue of healthcare is one of the main factors keeping me here.
I don't see myself happy or even okay with staying here for however many months (or a year?) that it might take me to find my dream job, or something resembling it (i.e., a technical writer at Google). Hence the idea of stepping back and taking something outside my niche (which is technical and marketing writing). I'm currently applying to non-profit and newspaper reporter openings.
Have others here left a profession and taken a step back, working fewer hours in a different field, in part to figure out what you might want to do?
If so, what were the advantages, the drawbacks, any unexpected discoveries (either good or bad), and the outcome? And are there any folks who have done this only to be unable to regain the career momentum necessary to land another good full-time career?
PS- I have enough savings that I'm not living paycheck to paycheck, and my cost of living expenses, now at least b/c of work benefits, are quite low. But I wouldn't want to live off of savings, so having some kind of employment is a given.
Thanks for any input on this.
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#3497726 - 01/18/12 03:37 PM
Re: Opinions wanted- leaving a job without a comparable job lined up
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Go over to the dark side of the force. Get a job in Editing and Acquisitions with a publisher. If you really want it relaxed and quiet, make it a university's publishing house. Academic publishing is the cushiest, least stressful job in the world and pays out of all proportion for the work you actually do. They're non-profit, so they don't care if anything ever gets done. The pace is like living with a head full of tranquilizers. Writers suffer. In Editing and Acquisitions, you can sit back with your feet up and make god-like decisions as you pencil-whip somebody else's manuscript and laugh maniacally about how the author will react to your changes. It pays well, no pressure to speak of, and you can mess with somebody else's writing for a change. With your background in technical writing, somebody will pick you up out there. Get your curriculum vitae (résumé) together and hurl it at every publisher on the planet. You'll find one who'll take you. Probably more than one. Then you too can torture authors for money, LOL! Cheers! Rick...
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#3497738 - 01/18/12 03:54 PM
Re: Opinions wanted- leaving a job without a comparable job lined up
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Crack Dealin' is where it's at. Pick a good corner-location,location,location. Be your own boss-flexible hours.
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#3497745 - 01/18/12 04:00 PM
Re: Opinions wanted- leaving a job without a comparable job lined up
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Crack Dealin' is where it's at. Pick a good corner-location,location,location. Be your own boss-flexible hours. This how you financed your Atari..err, Airbus, type rating, Wireman? 
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#3497767 - 01/18/12 04:25 PM
Re: Opinions wanted- leaving a job without a comparable job lined up
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It's not like they paid much at the Regionals...and you're right; those Type ratings don't grow on trees.
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#3497841 - 01/18/12 06:30 PM
Re: Opinions wanted- leaving a job without a comparable job lined up
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Sauron, I'll look into that.
Any other actual serious thoughts, not that I don't enjoy wisecracks :-)
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#3497858 - 01/18/12 07:20 PM
Re: Opinions wanted- leaving a job without a comparable job lined up
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Well. leaving a job without having another job in this economic climate is risky. But, if you do intend to try something different, do it now before you get married or have kids.
You're obviously not happy with the current line of work, so try different things. Mix up your social circle too - to maybe mingle with folks who do what you think you might like just to get more insight.
Go for it man!
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#3497885 - 01/18/12 08:36 PM
Re: Opinions wanted- leaving a job without a comparable job lined up
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My humble insight. Keep your current job until you've secured what you are really looking for. Especially nowadays Happened to me a couple of times before and although I "hated" my current job, the simple fact of seriously looking for an alternative made my hated job much easier to take until I quit. It's our brain messing us up. Seriously look around and land some interviews. The "hated" job instantly becomes a piece of cake.
Mind you, I've always been in ad agency, so I knew i would get more or less the same bs, just different accounts to manage.
Cheers, Slug
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#3497910 - 01/18/12 09:45 PM
Re: Opinions wanted- leaving a job without a comparable job lined up
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Leaving my current job without ANYTHING lined up isn't my first choice...but leaving sooner than later, even if what I get isn't at the same level in terms of time and benefits is an option I am seriously considering.
Good advice re: interviewing elsewhere. I am currently applying places, and am going to begin networking through the local chapter of my professional society.
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#3497913 - 01/18/12 10:01 PM
Re: Opinions wanted- leaving a job without a comparable job lined up
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Sauron, I'll look into that.
Any other actual serious thoughts, not that I don't enjoy wisecracks :-) It was hard for me to post that, but it's true, LOL! It's a great job. I've never been an editor, I've always been the author, and I've seen editors as the devil with a blue pencil ever since I sold my first work. But, I ended up marrying an editor, and I have to admit that her job is terrific. Mrs. Sauron says it's the best job she's ever had and she's had some good ones. But I'm still (and always will be) a writer. So I still cast a suspicious eye on any editors I encounter, despite the fact that I married one. With your background, you'd probably be surprised at your opportunities. And once you get some years under your belt in editing, you can stay home and do it in your pajamas and they still pay you well. Cheers! Rick... 
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#3498116 - 01/19/12 06:25 AM
Re: Opinions wanted- leaving a job without a comparable job lined up
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As for leaving before securing a new one, my sister did that several months ago and she still has no job. So just think "how long can I afford to be out of work?"
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#3498119 - 01/19/12 06:28 AM
Re: Opinions wanted- leaving a job without a comparable job lined up
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Never, ever, ever leave your current job without securing a new one first. In today's economy and job market that is financial suicide.
So unless you have a spouse who makes a lot of money or you live with your parents, don't do it.
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#3498128 - 01/19/12 06:34 AM
Re: Opinions wanted- leaving a job without a comparable job lined up
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As for leaving before securing a new one, my sister did that several months ago and she still has no job. So just think "how long can I afford to be out of work?"
The Jedi Master Good advice. About three years ago, I quit a part-time retail job I had to go back to school for a master's degree. After I finished the degree 11 months later, I was out on the job market when the recession was really getting rolling, and pretty much hit rock bottom. Not enough experience for the very few reasonable jobs in my field, yet overqualified for grocery bagging or whatever else I could find to pay the bills. And I'm not sure about how things work in the US, but I think up here, you can't collect employment insurance if you willingly quit your job. About a year later, an opening finally came up at my old job, and they took me back. I've since moved on to bigger and better things, but it was a crappy year of bumming around, and I can't really recommend swinging from one branch to the other like that unless you've got a pretty solid grip on what's next. So, either be confident enough in your savings that you can afford to go without a job for a year or more, or have very good prospects about picking something up very quickly.
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#3498131 - 01/19/12 06:37 AM
Re: Opinions wanted- leaving a job without a comparable job lined up
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And I'm not sure about how things work in the US, but I think up here, you can't collect employment insurance if you willingly quit your job. Yup, it's the same in the US.
Edited by PanzerMeyer (01/19/12 06:38 AM)
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#3498143 - 01/19/12 06:45 AM
Re: Opinions wanted- leaving a job without a comparable job lined up
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Right, so if you hate your job that much, just be lazy enough to get fired.  The Jedi Master
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#3498260 - 01/19/12 08:36 AM
Re: Opinions wanted- leaving a job without a comparable job lined up
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I would stick with the current job until you find the next one. The employment market seems to be improving, but it is still far from good.
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#3498303 - 01/19/12 09:27 AM
Re: Opinions wanted- leaving a job without a comparable job lined up
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*Many* years ago I went to a seminar where the speaker talked about how a person can *double* their salary in a year. The guy also said that most people don't have enough pain in their situation to motivate them to do it. He said it was like sitting on a pin and that while it was pretty uncomfortable to let life stick you like that, it was not enough to get off the pin and do something different - "It just doesn't *hurt* enough", he said.
The speaker asked the audience who thought they were worth more than their present salary, and virtually everyone raised their hand. The advice was basically to clean yourself up and get involved in the community and church. STOP drinking, smoking, drugs, whatever, get into shape, and meet people to network with.
I've been lucky to have landed every job in almost 30 years through friends and acquaintances. I haven't doubled my salary though - it just doesn't hurt that much to sit on my pin, but I do think about it jabbin me like that.
I agree with the other folks who say don't leave your job unless you have another. And you really do not want to go out unprofessionally.
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#3498323 - 01/19/12 09:49 AM
Re: Opinions wanted- leaving a job without a comparable job lined up
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Thanks folks. Yes, networking is how I've found all my good jobs. It really is the best way, imo. My current company doesn't even bother to post publicly when it wants to hire- hires from within the pool of family, friends, and church acquaintances.
Edited by peppergomez (01/19/12 09:50 AM)
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#3499235 - 01/20/12 07:07 AM
Re: Opinions wanted- leaving a job without a comparable job lined up
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Your company goes to church? I know the Supreme Court ruled a corporation is a person, but I didn't know it went to THAT extent!  The Jedi Master
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#3499237 - 01/20/12 07:08 AM
Re: Opinions wanted- leaving a job without a comparable job lined up
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Your company goes to church? I know the Supreme Court ruled a corporation is a person, but I didn't know it went to THAT extent!  The Jedi Master I think companies can already marry and have children together.
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#3499462 - 01/20/12 10:43 AM
Re: Opinions wanted- leaving a job without a comparable job lined up
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My GF was a substitute teacher in MA and was working a lot. She left MA 3 months ago and can't get a teaching job in NH or even as an office admin which she did before. NH has one of lowest jobless rates so I would never leave my job until I had one lined up.
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#3499481 - 01/20/12 10:55 AM
Re: Opinions wanted- leaving a job without a comparable job lined up
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These days it's really about who you know. Just this year I've seen 3 people who have less experience, less motivation, and overall are less qualified get promoted because they're all best friends with the manager.
Most of the jobs I've gotten are because I was recommended by a co-worker and/or someone who is good friends with the "boss"; otherwise I'm almost 100% certain they would have just thrown my application away.
Edited by NoUseForAName (01/20/12 10:58 AM)
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#3499490 - 01/20/12 11:01 AM
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Agreed. Last two folks my company hired were the boyfriend of CEO's daughter (love to see how that works out for him after the inevitable break up) and cousin of the CTO. I got the job b/c of my college's alumni network. God bless Nepotism! Well, not really- sucks for good candidates who don't know anyone...then again, a good candidate would be someone who would make it their priority to meet the people they need. Network or die?
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#3499699 - 01/20/12 02:10 PM
Re: Opinions wanted- leaving a job without a comparable job lined up
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Agreed. Last two folks my company hired were the boyfriend of CEO's daughter (love to see how that works out for him after the inevitable break up) and cousin of the CTO. I got the job b/c of my college's alumni network. God bless Nepotism! Well, not really- sucks for good candidates who don't know anyone...then again, a good candidate would be someone who would make it their priority to meet the people they need. Network or die? Pretty much! The few times I've been given a job where I didn't have any "contacts" I constantly bugged them; calling, going in person, asking about the "status" of the position and throwing my name in there. Some like to see the persistence (and that you actually care), where others just do it to get you off their back hehe Maybe in the future I should just give them a link to my Facebook page so they can "connect" and know what I do and who I associate with lol (kinda pathetic really)
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