OK Ray.

You just need a pair of wings, everything else is done, but there might be a bit of mapping to do.

Needless to say, my model is RS compliant, so you just need to add dummy elements to carry the wing HP's.

Edit:

The wings are done, just the wheels to do!

Hi Mike,
forgive me, I'm a little confused..........are you saying that the RAF No. 213 Squadron was a mixed squad
with 303's or cannons? It sounds like you were saying the wings sent to you didn't work for the 303's.
But I thought that IIc's only had 4 20mm cannon? I thought the versions that incorporated 2 gun types,
two 40mm Vickers S guns, and two .303 in. Browning machine guns, was the IID and IV?
Please feel free to slap me with the correct info.
Thanks,
AO

No, just the opposite, AO.

The original improved wings I sent Mike had no hardpoints to locate the cannon barrels so they wouldn't show up in the game even if the files were there. That means the first set would work for .303's but not for 20mm's.

The revised set has the hardpoints so if a modeler wants to make a .303 version he just deletes the file that corresponds to the 20mm barrels ( C.3dz I think ) and paints on some gun ports for the .303's. The game won't miss a beat if the file for the cannons is simply missing.

So does that mean that the current fm for the IIc in the planes folder
is good?
Thanks,
AO

We have the 2c in the Hurri slot and in the Hurri and in the Tempest slot.

All planes are modeled without sand filter, but realy, all sides had such disadvantages. The 109F/G could dissable the sand filter once they was in the air, afaik this feature seldom got used, cause even in several thousand meters altitude there was the ugly sand dust.

The biggest disadvantage of the sandfilter wasnt its drag, but the reduced engine power due to the bad influence to the air intake.

Even with dissabled sand filter the ram air effect got disturnbed much on the 109.

Greetings,

Knegel

AO, Ray repeated what I had tried to say. That was the first set of wings he sent to me were for Hurricane I and machines that were armed with .303's. The BOB skins etc already have the .303's painted in so those 3dz's could be cloned and written over the original ones. The cannon armed IIc's needed the hard points for the cannon attachments added. So in effect we now have round wheels etc for Hurricane I's and II's. It is the B3dz and tpc that make the 20mms.

What we don't have yet is the ability to have different FM's within a squadron. AS we all know, the average unit flew with mixed Marks through out the war. B-17 E and F, F and G and on and so forth

Nuff said.

Hi Guys,

To add to what IM has correctly said, I suggested that when any Squadron arrived in Theatre they would have a full complement of what was then the current model. For some of the Desert Hurri Squadrons they started of with either Ia or IIa ( 8 mg) and some even had IIb (12 mg) and as time went by aquired replacements. Yes 213 had IIc but I doubt they got a whole Squadron at once, particularly if they were being flown in on the Takoradi route. No doubt they would eventually have a full compliment, but to me it seems likely that they had a mix of models for some time. As to the IId these were produced in small numbers and I doubt any Squadron was fully equipped with them. Certainly the first user of the IId, 6 Squadron, only had about 6 or 7 when it took part in the attack at Bir Hacheim, the rest no doubt being IIc.

Unfortunately, when I recently asked on the Forum if it was possible to use different marks in one set I was told, as I expected, that all the aircraft had to have the same FM, so the question is rather academic.

Cheers,

Peter

8 skins are finished 8 more to go...

Here is the third section...









I've painted the newer Serials as having a darker, less sunfaded and worn shade of Mid Stone...

And Ray's round wheels...

Here is the 4th and final flight...











the 8-bit Glide ready conversion is up next...

Those hurris are awesome, nice work

Cheers

Looks like i should start to workout plane sets for DAW, eh?

Great work!

I'll be filling in the plane set for DAW in the coming year if all goes well. So your work will be needed. I just need to pull out a slot list for DAW so the skins match.

Might as well put a DAW plug in now.

Don't forget, there's a set of hi-res Beaufighters available on my page.

Heck there's even a desert version that might not need much attention. Oh and before you keel over thinking I did that skin, which is pretty good, I cribbed it from a CFS Beaufighter.

Ah!, shameless self promotion.

Definately a man I can relate to.

And rember folks, you can purchase Mike and Ray's Jams and Jellys in the lobby as you exit the building...

Hi Guys,

Whilst researching Desert Spits I found that the ones used in Malta had some very curious colour schemes, which I have passed on to Mike. Whilst it seems the Hurris retained the Dark Earth/Middle Stone uppers with either Azure Blue of Sky Blue unders, it was soon found that it was too light for the Spits, given that most of the combat took place over the sea. Soon after the first Spits arrived, according to the Osprey book on Malta Spitfire Aces, it was decided to paint the uppers in various dark grey/dark blue schemes.

The Spits delivered on the USS Wasp were painted en route in what is described as US Navy Dark Blue/Grey which apparently faded to a lighter shade pretty fast, whilst those painted at Gibraltar before dispatch, or on Malta itself had various shades of Extra Dark Sea Grey, Dark Med Blue or Light Med Blue uppers. Most had Sky Blue unders though some did have the darker Azure Blue. To make matters even more complicated, when paint was short on the island it was mixed into various Blue/Grey shades and sometimes the paint was so thin that the original desert scheme showed through, particularly on the nose and tail - a painters delight I guess.

Perhaps if Mike has the time he will be able to do a set of MkVB for the Malta scenario, which should prove very interesting.



I have copied the colours page from my RAF Museum book on WWII colour schemes which I believe to be pretty accurate, though it will no doubt lose something in transferring to this mail.

Cheers,

Peter

Hi guys, there is an issue with the wings in Glide mode so, the 8-bit version is on hold until this gets unkinked. Hopefully it will be a quick fix.

Hi Mike.

Those wing tip glitches are not on my original model, so I suggest you roll back to these wings for Glide.

Col. the original model suffers from square wheel syndrome and wingtips . It works fine in D3D and 24-bit with the rounded edges. I'd like to make it work in glide. otherwise, a roll back will be done. If you send me the instructions I'll try to do it myself. Thanks, IM.

Hi Mike.

This is my original MkIIC Hurricane, as displayed in Glide.



Not as refined as the wing you have, but it works in Glide.