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#3496560 - 01/17/12 04:01 PM IL2 FB 4.11 Light years ahead of COD  
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Enough said. What a great game. Timeless and a classic. It will be many years before COD catches up,

let alone surpasses it.


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#3496604 - 01/17/12 05:20 PM Re: IL2 FB 4.11 Light years ahead of COD [Re: commorange]  
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It will take, oh i dont know, about 11 years?

#3496643 - 01/17/12 06:06 PM Re: IL2 FB 4.11 Light years ahead of COD [Re: Ghost_swe]  
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Yea I'll be 80 then and will need to fly at 1/8 speed. sigh I am really enjoying 4.11, works great for me. Also the SAS1946 and UP mod geniuses are hard at work to help bring all their great mods compatiable with 4.11 wave

There are many years left in the old girl.

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#3496646 - 01/17/12 06:09 PM Re: IL2 FB 4.11 Light years ahead of COD [Re: commorange]  
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I intend to download 4.11, but I am concerned about how I will adjust going back into the cockpits of IL2411.

It's all good, cause I'm really enjoying CLOD in it's present state, if 4.11 is better we're all winners.

Once I've done some time in 411 I'll share my thoughts, I have over 400 hours in CLOD and might be able to share an opinion based on experience. how many hours in CLOD for you guys, I only ask so I can determine how much weight to give this bold statement of betterment.



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#3496697 - 01/17/12 07:21 PM Re: IL2 FB 4.11 Light years ahead of COD [Re: commorange]  
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Originally Posted By: commorange

Enough said. What a great game. Timeless and a classic. It will be many years before COD catches up,

let alone surpasses it.


What you expected the new IL-2 to come out with the maps and aircraft that the original has in its first instalment? Of course it will be atleast ten years before that happens. Personally I don't fly 1046 anymore as I enjoy the more complex features of COD and look forward to further developments in the new series. This is whole idea of developing a new game engine thats allows far more complex features.


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#3496824 - 01/17/12 09:55 PM Re: IL2 FB 4.11 Light years ahead of COD [Re: commorange]  
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Originally Posted By: commorange

Enough said. What a great game. Timeless and a classic. It will be many years before COD catches up,

let alone surpasses it.


Fantastic! - will that mean all the CoD-whiners will migrate away from this forum and actually fire up 4.11 and do some simming in stead of just moaning in here ad nauseam?


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#3496903 - 01/17/12 11:09 PM Re: IL2 FB 4.11 Light years ahead of COD [Re: bisher]  
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Originally Posted By: bisher
I intend to download 4.11, but I am concerned about how I will adjust going back into the cockpits of IL2411.


You can get the "alfha" mod activator and move your most cherished cockpits into the \FILES\3do\cockpit\ directory, with the java files going directly into the \FILES\ directory. pilot

#3496949 - 01/18/12 12:07 AM Re: IL2 FB 4.11 Light years ahead of COD [Re: commorange]  
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Originally Posted By: bisher
but I am concerned about how I will adjust going back into the cockpits of IL2411.



I loved the il2 series but i couldnt go back to those cockpits now smile Even the new improved ones , as most of my time is spent in pit and this is the shining light of CloD. The game does look very nice now though and kudos to the guys who have modded it far past what it was.I imagine in the same amount of time the il2 series has invested in it that CloD will be just as far ahead, remember CloD has not even got a year up its sleeve yet wink

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#3496956 - 01/18/12 12:19 AM Re: IL2 FB 4.11 Light years ahead of COD [Re: commorange]  
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I dunno, I do kinda miss LiLo's picture in the cockpit! I haven't played 1946 in at least 3-4 months, probably longer than that. It just "feels" so arcade comparatively. I do miss the multiple maps and planes though. Bet I could have fun in the FMB now too, since I had to learn in CoD, be nice to have one that works! lol

#3496976 - 01/18/12 12:57 AM Re: IL2 FB 4.11 Light years ahead of COD [Re: commorange]  
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Thanks for that JAMF

No commorange is right, here's one of the cockpits from 411





#3497032 - 01/18/12 03:29 AM Re: IL2 FB 4.11 Light years ahead of COD [Re: commorange]  
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wow..when he said Light years, he wasn't joking was he smile

I know what you mean Cheese. I went back to EAW after a few years in IL2 , just for old times sake and a sticky beak at how she looked updated, i should have left it as good memories as it felt and looked old and arcadey. My lad still fires up 1946 that i reinstalled for him 4.10 with a bunch of mods and it also doesnt have the spark that it once had.Going from il2 to CloD definitely feels like an evoltion as did il2 to eaw. Just gotta play the ole waiting game as we always have smile

Hoping one day we get carrier ops in the Med and pacific, spits over Malta and saddling up in my sbd3 and 5 again.


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#3497071 - 01/18/12 05:03 AM Re: IL2 FB 4.11 Light years ahead of COD [Re: Freycinet]  
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Originally Posted By: Freycinet
Originally Posted By: commorange

Enough said. What a great game. Timeless and a classic. It will be many years before COD catches up,

let alone surpasses it.


Fantastic! - will that mean all the CoD-whiners will migrate away from this forum and actually fire up 4.11 and do some simming in stead of just moaning in here ad nauseam?


I cannot speak for the so called "CoD-whiners". The fact is 4.11 is far better than CoD right now and I am getting plenty of stick time thanks
very much. When they fix the 250 mph Spitfires and Bf-109's. I will take another look at CoD.


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#3497082 - 01/18/12 05:59 AM Re: IL2 FB 4.11 Light years ahead of COD [Re: commorange]  
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Why play it if your belief is that it will take years to even catch up and never surpass it anyway ? Makes no sense smile


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#3497091 - 01/18/12 06:32 AM Re: IL2 FB 4.11 Light years ahead of COD [Re: commorange]  
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The stock sounds in IL2 let it down but when the mods catch up it will be a different thing. Clod's cockpits are (and to me always have been) its finest feature but flying a Tempest on the Slovakia map last night I have to say the gap between the two was looking very thin (That plus the fact that it had AA working, ran smooth as butter and didn't ctd helped a bit too)

Considering its age IL2 remains a remarkable sim.

#3497106 - 01/18/12 08:27 AM Re: IL2 FB 4.11 Light years ahead of COD [Re: commorange]  
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Clearly il2 is a wicked sim and the mods have pushed the envelope even further, i just found it weird that old mate above finds the need to post here where probably more than 90% of us have years of il2 under our belt.

Especially with a ' light years ahead of CloD - Enough said ' I mean cmon, did't we already go over and get over all of this trolly action months ago? Either way it keeps the forum rolling along wink


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#3497160 - 01/18/12 12:23 PM Re: IL2 FB 4.11 Light years ahead of COD [Re: commorange]  
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indeed, to compare IL2 after 10 years of after release development with CoD after 10 (~) month of after release development is not fair.

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#3497187 - 01/18/12 01:11 PM Re: IL2 FB 4.11 Light years ahead of COD [Re: commorange]  
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True - people should probably compare it to the original Il-2 release (unpatched!).

Of course, such comparisons are not fair to Il-2 1946 either - the fidelity of CoD is so much greater. CoD may still be a work in progress and may only model one part of the war, but the terrain/water, atmosphere/lighting, cockpit motion/detail, damage model details and flight models are so much higher fidelity that the combined effect seems like it is five times more real!

I just went back to CoD after flying 4.11 and one really sees the differences (if one isn't clouded by nostalgia for a decade old engine).

#3497214 - 01/18/12 01:39 PM Re: IL2 FB 4.11 Light years ahead of COD [Re: commorange]  
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I'm hard pressed to remember the first Il-2 release just over 10 years ago as far as what it did or didn't have, but I know it was also rather limited in scope. Eastern Front only, I think the P-39 was the only non-Russian Allied plane, and mostly you had lots of variants of the Il-2, 109, 190, Ju-87, and some assorted other planes.

So as far as variety of locations and planes, they were about even. No doubt Il-2 was more "finished" and less buggy, but it still needed work.

Also, for me Il-2 was always lacking something. Growing up on 90s flight sims the Il-2 series always seemed to me half a sim. They took SOME sim aspects and turned it up to 11, and took others and paid lip service if at all. In-game comms were sad, sounds lame, the UI was a joke, and your sense of immersion was confined to when you were in the cockpit. In other words, I never felt like I was a WWII pilot in WWII, I felt like I was using a simulator.
CloD is little better in those respects, and the same for RoF and LOMAC/DCS. It makes me believe that Russian programmers culturally don't "get" what the old sims of the 90s offered you when you weren't in the cockpit, contributions of Western publishers/programmers/producers notwithstanding. The old sims of Dynamix, Microprose, EA/Origin/Jane's, DID, DI, even Novalogic had more atmosphere, even when their technical levels were far short of what we get now.

They were better games, if not usually better sims.



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#3497303 - 01/18/12 04:01 PM Re: IL2 FB 4.11 Light years ahead of COD [Re: Ajay]  
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Originally Posted By: Ajay
Why play it if your belief is that it will take years to even catch up and never surpass it anyway ? Makes no sense smile


Well Ajay because I still like it and play it again after every patch. It is the future of IL2. I hope. I think.

Yeah CoD will take 10 years to catch up to Il2Fb. So what? I am patient. I hope it does because I am an optimist and plan on being around

when it does. Maybe I dont take it as seriously as some of you do. These are games after all, entertainment. And yes I am nostalgic about

IL2 FB. So whats wrong with that? Some flight simulator players seem so spoiled.. "I'll never play it again, its too dated". Well I dont

agree with that. The new IL2 has far more advanced and complex features. Thats all well and good but isnt it about the amount of pleasure and

enjoyment one gets out of it? Maybe it is unfair to Compare CoD to IL2FB 4.11 right now but perhaps the comparison will be more fair in the

future as CoD matures. Finally its not like I am comparing Cod to some competitor, there is none. Il2 Fb is an older sibling.


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To say that CLOD hasn't had the maturing time that IL-2 has had isn't exactly true. Back in May of 2006 Oleg stated that they were close and set a release date of November 2006. So you could say that CLOD had more of an "internal" maturing time of 5+ years. It's probably safe to say that CLOD had about twice the development time of the original IL-2, since it's been worked on for about 7 years?

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