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#3495361 - 01/15/12 08:16 AM Royal Navy captures 13 Somali pirates
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In my opinion the first warning shots should have gone right through the boat.

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#3495366 - 01/15/12 08:21 AM Re: Royal Navy captures 13 Somali pirates [Re: Chucky]
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Wasting ammo with warning shots on pirates. should have sunk them and moved on.
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#3495396 - 01/15/12 09:02 AM Re: Royal Navy captures 13 Somali pirates [Re: Chucky]
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#3495422 - 01/15/12 09:44 AM Re: Royal Navy captures 13 Somali pirates [Re: JimK]
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Wasting ammo with warning shots on pirates. should have sunk them and moved on.


Yep, sink the boat and toss in a 5 gallon bucket of frozen beef blood to attract sharks for any survivors. No more thought should be given toward exterminating them and all who support them than is given to exterminating vermin in your home or yard.
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#3495439 - 01/15/12 10:14 AM Re: Royal Navy captures 13 Somali pirates [Re: NH2112]
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Originally Posted By: JimK
Wasting ammo with warning shots on pirates. should have sunk them and moved on.


Yep, sink the boat and toss in a 5 gallon bucket of frozen beef blood to attract sharks for any survivors. No more thought should be given toward exterminating them and all who support them than is given to exterminating vermin in your home or yard.


Why? Did these people kill someone?
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#3495442 - 01/15/12 10:26 AM Re: Royal Navy captures 13 Somali pirates [Re: Hartford688]
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Originally Posted By: Hartford688
Originally Posted By: NH2112
Originally Posted By: JimK
Wasting ammo with warning shots on pirates. should have sunk them and moved on.


Yep, sink the boat and toss in a 5 gallon bucket of frozen beef blood to attract sharks for any survivors. No more thought should be given toward exterminating them and all who support them than is given to exterminating vermin in your home or yard.


Why? Did these people kill someone?


I don't think so, but they dress rather poorly, IMHO. Reason enough, in my book.
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#3495484 - 01/15/12 11:43 AM Re: Royal Navy captures 13 Somali pirates [Re: Hartford688]
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Wasting ammo with warning shots on pirates. should have sunk them and moved on.


Yep, sink the boat and toss in a 5 gallon bucket of frozen beef blood to attract sharks for any survivors. No more thought should be given toward exterminating them and all who support them than is given to exterminating vermin in your home or yard.


Why? Did these people kill someone?


Who cares whether or not they killed someone? They're pirates, and just like terrorists they're enemies of humanity and should be killed whenever and wherever they're found.
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#3495490 - 01/15/12 11:59 AM Re: Royal Navy captures 13 Somali pirates [Re: Chucky]
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What happens to captured pirates? I'm guessing most get let off due to 'insufficient evidence'?
13 men in a boat full of weapons,they ain't fishing.

Even if drastic action was taken against pirates,would that stop others doing it?
Terrorists get taken out every day but there are always others waiting to take their place.

I say let the Russians police the Somali coastline,they seem to know what to do. ar15


Edited by Chucky (01/15/12 12:00 PM)
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#3495494 - 01/15/12 12:12 PM Re: Royal Navy captures 13 Somali pirates [Re: NH2112]
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Wasting ammo with warning shots on pirates. should have sunk them and moved on.


Yep, sink the boat and toss in a 5 gallon bucket of frozen beef blood to attract sharks for any survivors. No more thought should be given toward exterminating them and all who support them than is given to exterminating vermin in your home or yard.


Why? Did these people kill someone?


Who cares whether or not they killed someone? They're pirates, and just like terrorists they're enemies of humanity and should be killed whenever and wherever they're found.


Why is a pirate an "enemy of humanity"?

What is an "enemy of humanity"?

Why does a soldier have the right to kill people on sight without them having fired on him?

If he shoots at the marine, or looks like he will try to, the marine should shoot him. If he had killed someone and resisted arrest with lethal force, then he could shoot him. Just being armed in a boat is not an on the spot capital offence. Not in the UK or Europe anyway.

Pirates are armed robbers. Typically no-one gets shot either. So for you, in the U.S., the police should always shoot robbers dead even if they do not threaten the officers, and have not assaulted anyone? Because they are enemies of humanity?
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#3495504 - 01/15/12 12:27 PM Re: Royal Navy captures 13 Somali pirates [Re: Chucky]
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My, my.. you guys are a violent bunch LOL hahaha

As to why shoot them, I think it's just as Li'lJugs said:
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I don't think so, but they dress rather poorly, IMHO. Reason enough, in my book.


I shoot people who dress poorly, too. It's not just the Royal Navy ar15
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#3495580 - 01/15/12 03:19 PM Re: Royal Navy captures 13 Somali pirates [Re: Chucky]
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#3495583 - 01/15/12 03:22 PM Re: Royal Navy captures 13 Somali pirates [Re: Chucky]
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Careful, the British government may declare them refugees, ship them to Britain and put them on the public dole.
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#3495642 - 01/15/12 05:13 PM Re: Royal Navy captures 13 Somali pirates [Re: Chucky]
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..ask us as well. we will take 'em .. give them money AND a house..its the aussie way.
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#3495681 - 01/15/12 06:33 PM Re: Royal Navy captures 13 Somali pirates [Re: Hartford688]
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Why does a soldier have the right to kill people on sight without them having fired on him?

As long as a soldier fires at and kills other combatants then it's not an issue. If a soldier shoots and fires at a civilian which is what these sea pirates do then it is a crime.

So you see, it's not the same thing.
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#3495717 - 01/15/12 08:33 PM Re: Royal Navy captures 13 Somali pirates [Re: Chucky]
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We need a SimHQ cruise to charter with all types of heavy sniper rifles to take along
for a cruise in the Pirate infested waters. I would sign on for this cruise and be prepared
to kill pirates.

Think about those who sail around world and are captured by Somali pirates asking for
a ransom. Put yourself in the shoes of those kidnapped. They have already killed a many
of those whose families that did not put ransom to save them.
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#3495726 - 01/15/12 09:11 PM Re: Royal Navy captures 13 Somali pirates [Re: Chucky]
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If were so eager to kill these pirates, how about the really destructive ones sitting on boards such as Goldman Sachs. Economic piracy kills far more and is certainly a threat to humanity on a far grander scale.
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#3495756 - 01/15/12 11:13 PM Re: Royal Navy captures 13 Somali pirates [Re: Chucky]
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#3496111 - 01/16/12 01:14 PM Re: Royal Navy captures 13 Somali pirates [Re: Chucky]
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Well this ship is certainly sailing for political waters! biggrin

As for pirates, plank. 'Nuff said.
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#3496114 - 01/16/12 01:19 PM Re: Royal Navy captures 13 Somali pirates [Re: Chucky]
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I lose no sleep over the death of pirates.
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#3496196 - 01/16/12 03:27 PM Re: Royal Navy captures 13 Somali pirates [Re: Chucky]
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It wouldn't be so bad if the pirates had captured Iranian flagged boats, I imagine.

Western countries aren't likely to adopt a shoot on sight procedure- that is just contrary to the laws of most Western countries when dealing with people who operate outside the law. Summary executions aren't the way they do things anymore. They don't necessarily treat people who go on foot and kidnap or rob people that way. It's kind of hard to justify it.



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#3496210 - 01/16/12 03:49 PM Re: Royal Navy captures 13 Somali pirates [Re: Chucky]
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What happens to captured pirates? I'm guessing most get let off due to 'insufficient evidence'?
13 men in a boat full of weapons,they ain't fishing.

Even if drastic action was taken against pirates,would that stop others doing it?
Terrorists get taken out every day but there are always others waiting to take their place.

I say let the Russians police the Somali coastline,they seem to know what to do. ar15


In practical terms, it's up to whatever country confronts them to do what they want with them. There's not really an international tribunal for pirates.

One solution is that large commercial firms hire their own armed security, not having to rely on help from a nation getting there in time. That raises its own problems though.
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#3496215 - 01/16/12 03:58 PM Re: Royal Navy captures 13 Somali pirates [Re: NH2112]
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Who cares whether or not they killed someone? They're pirates, and just like terrorists they're enemies of humanity and should be killed whenever and wherever they're found.


Most of the time, they aren't necessarily out to kill for the fun of it. That's not the purpose of being a pirate, they want the loot, or they want the boat, or they want ransom. There are some exceptions, some of the worst aren't necessarily ocean operating pirates, but pirates on river channels or river deltas near the coasts like in Asia. Those guys might take your stuff and kill you for the fun of it, they're not after ransom or large ships but whatever some poor people or ignorant tourist who wanders nearby have in their pockets. They're not likely to get much, so the economics aren't as 'sensible.'

A terrorist on the other hand has motivation that's not profit driven. They don't blow something up or shoot up a market place for money, they do what they do for ideological reasons.
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#3496249 - 01/16/12 05:09 PM Re: Royal Navy captures 13 Somali pirates [Re: Nodak01]
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If were so eager to kill these pirates, how about the really destructive ones sitting on boards such as Goldman Sachs. Economic piracy kills far more and is certainly a threat to humanity on a far grander scale.


Personally I think organized crime beats hijacking ships insofar as the human and economic costs are concerned. They murder daily, extort, hijack, kidnap, rob, but It goes one better in terms of undermining society by bribing officials, operating legitimate fronts as a cover, smuggling contraband and illegal nationals, penetrating and controlling the prison system, or getting involved in large scale commercial crimes- wire fraud, credit card theft, identity theft and human trafficking rings. It's not as dramatic or attention getting perhaps because warships don't often come into contact with it, plus it's more mundane as it's more everyday and just sort of accepted.
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#3496514 - 01/17/12 06:41 AM Re: Royal Navy captures 13 Somali pirates [Re: Chucky]
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Great care has to be taken in case their human rights are violated. wacky
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#3496610 - 01/17/12 09:27 AM Re: Royal Navy captures 13 Somali pirates [Re: Old Dux]
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Great care has to be taken in case their human rights are violated. wacky

Don't worry, they have lawyers from YLS.
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