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#3514733 - 02/09/12 03:37 AM Re: Sim Racing, how to start? [Re: Staniol]  
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if budget is a problem for a Logitech G27 im using their cheaper Formula Force Ex and its still a great great wheel biggrin i completely forgot about the practice races lol


First Ever Win: STCC, Donnington Park, Race 2, 19th March 2012
First Ever Podium: 2nd, Silverstone SCES 2011
First Ever Pole: Race 1, Thruxton, SSTCC, 8th April 2012
First Ever Fastest Lap: Le Mans, SCES, 3:59.028, 3rd June 2012
Wins: 3 (3 SSTCC)
Podiums: 10 (3 SCES, 7 SSTCC)
Pole Positions: 3 (1 SCES, 2 SSTCC)
Fastest Laps: 1 (1 SCES)

3rd Overall SSTCC Great Britain Series, 2012.

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Number(s): 26 (SCES) 27 (STCC)
#3514784 - 02/09/12 05:26 AM Re: Sim Racing, how to start? [Re: Staniol]  
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That SRW wheel is really neat...it's probably best suited for someone that travels a lot and could take it with them for some racing relaxation, taking up a minimum of space.

For me, racing's about rythym...finding a groove and staying there. While I rarely actually do find that elusive groove... biggrin ....I think it would be harder not having a constant reference point that a hard-mounted wheel might provide. Just my thinking anyway.


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#3514886 - 02/09/12 12:53 PM Re: Sim Racing, how to start? [Re: SteveGee]  
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It's much, much better than the xBox controller I had at first. But, I think you are describing exactly what I'm having issues with. I find myself "swimming" with it. Turning right I have the controller swimming 6-8 inches to the right and the same when I turn left. So I get a movement back and forth like a swaying motion.

It has a lot of nice buttons, though, that I don't use, lol.

#3515127 - 02/09/12 06:24 PM Re: Sim Racing, how to start? [Re: Staniol]  
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LOL I used to do that with a joypad, steer left/lean left, steer right/lean right, I just couldn't help it biggrin


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#3515381 - 02/10/12 01:34 AM Re: Sim Racing, how to start? [Re: Staniol]  
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Probably going to get a G27, but my times are starting to come down. I shaved 3 seconds from yesterday to today on this track. I told Steve "I'm almost 'respectable'", lol.

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#3515390 - 02/10/12 01:58 AM Re: Sim Racing, how to start? [Re: Staniol]  
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well you are certainly catching up to me i bet you will be faster than me come race day smile


First Ever Win: STCC, Donnington Park, Race 2, 19th March 2012
First Ever Podium: 2nd, Silverstone SCES 2011
First Ever Pole: Race 1, Thruxton, SSTCC, 8th April 2012
First Ever Fastest Lap: Le Mans, SCES, 3:59.028, 3rd June 2012
Wins: 3 (3 SSTCC)
Podiums: 10 (3 SCES, 7 SSTCC)
Pole Positions: 3 (1 SCES, 2 SSTCC)
Fastest Laps: 1 (1 SCES)

3rd Overall SSTCC Great Britain Series, 2012.

Team: Ozjet Racing
Number(s): 26 (SCES) 27 (STCC)
#3515411 - 02/10/12 02:53 AM Re: Sim Racing, how to start? [Re: Staniol]  
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Well, let's not get too ahead of ourselves. I can run a lap sub 1:40 but not often. I think I have done it three times so far.

#3515414 - 02/10/12 03:15 AM Re: Sim Racing, how to start? [Re: Staniol]  
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well the practice is certainly bringing your times down, i would advise though do save up for G27 they are amazing bits of kit


First Ever Win: STCC, Donnington Park, Race 2, 19th March 2012
First Ever Podium: 2nd, Silverstone SCES 2011
First Ever Pole: Race 1, Thruxton, SSTCC, 8th April 2012
First Ever Fastest Lap: Le Mans, SCES, 3:59.028, 3rd June 2012
Wins: 3 (3 SSTCC)
Podiums: 10 (3 SCES, 7 SSTCC)
Pole Positions: 3 (1 SCES, 2 SSTCC)
Fastest Laps: 1 (1 SCES)

3rd Overall SSTCC Great Britain Series, 2012.

Team: Ozjet Racing
Number(s): 26 (SCES) 27 (STCC)
#3515424 - 02/10/12 03:42 AM Re: Sim Racing, how to start? [Re: Staniol]  
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Kurt, keep trying out different Digital Rates for the throttle and brake...even if you think one feels good, it might be a bit better with another tweak. You can always go back to the rate you had before the last tweak if you don't like it.


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#3515523 - 02/10/12 08:58 AM Re: Sim Racing, how to start? [Re: Staniol]  
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Hi, its me again.
Can someone help me with some settings for the Logitech Formula Force ex in Rfactor?
I have problem understanding the force feedback (especially why it has negative values), digital rates, sensitivity.
Everything is working, it just doesn't feel right compare to the SimBin games i played.


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#3515532 - 02/10/12 09:28 AM Re: Sim Racing, how to start? [Re: Staniol]  
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Originally Posted By: Staniol
Hi, its me again.
Can someone help me with some settings for the Logitech Formula Force ex in Rfactor?
I have problem understanding the force feedback (especially why it has negative values), digital rates, sensitivity.
Everything is working, it just doesn't feel right compare to the SimBin games i played.


Mr Hill can help a bit further for he has that wheel, but the negative numbers have something to do with the drivers for the wheel itself... For some reason some wheel have reversed, and others have overly strong feedback...

My G27 runs in reverse... I run around -60 up to -90 to get a good strong FFB...

Digital rates are for controllers more so then wheels, so set them low to off... I could be wrong but that's what I've found comfortable...

Sensitivity is also mainly for control pads... And for a wheel it's best to leave them at the default settings...

The main thing is though, to play around and find out what works best for you... As feeling comfortable behind the wheel is the most important thing...


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#3515535 - 02/10/12 09:42 AM Re: Sim Racing, how to start? [Re: Pumbaa666]  
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Originally Posted By: Pumbaa666
Originally Posted By: Staniol
Hi, its me again.
Can someone help me with some settings for the Logitech Formula Force ex in Rfactor?
I have problem understanding the force feedback (especially why it has negative values), digital rates, sensitivity.
Everything is working, it just doesn't feel right compare to the SimBin games i played.


Mr Hill can help a bit further for he has that wheel, but the negative numbers have something to do with the drivers for the wheel itself... For some reason some wheel have reversed, and others have overly strong feedback...

My G27 runs in reverse... I run around -60 up to -90 to get a good strong FFB...

Digital rates are for controllers more so then wheels, so set them low to off... I could be wrong but that's what I've found comfortable...

Sensitivity is also mainly for control pads... And for a wheel it's best to leave them at the default settings...

The main thing is though, to play around and find out what works best for you... As feeling comfortable behind the wheel is the most important thing...


Negative value for negative force, that would explain some strange behavior, will give it a try, thanks for your help!


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#3515711 - 02/10/12 04:08 PM Re: Sim Racing, how to start? [Re: Staniol]  
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Okay my wheel settings are the same as DB's mostly.

on the slider bar i have that set at -65

set the thing below to wheel

and the effects to medium, it provides just enough for the right feeling, though i do use -70 on some mods if i feel its a bit washy by -65 and medium and wheel does the trick just fine smile


First Ever Win: STCC, Donnington Park, Race 2, 19th March 2012
First Ever Podium: 2nd, Silverstone SCES 2011
First Ever Pole: Race 1, Thruxton, SSTCC, 8th April 2012
First Ever Fastest Lap: Le Mans, SCES, 3:59.028, 3rd June 2012
Wins: 3 (3 SSTCC)
Podiums: 10 (3 SCES, 7 SSTCC)
Pole Positions: 3 (1 SCES, 2 SSTCC)
Fastest Laps: 1 (1 SCES)

3rd Overall SSTCC Great Britain Series, 2012.

Team: Ozjet Racing
Number(s): 26 (SCES) 27 (STCC)
#3515725 - 02/10/12 04:23 PM Re: Sim Racing, how to start? [Re: Staniol]  
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The Digital Rates are for controllers, they have no impact on an axis such as a steering wheel or pedals. However, if you set a button to be the clutch, for example...as the game is looking for an axis for a clutch control, it will have an impact on that. Lowering the rates will cause a more gradual release of the function. Increasing them will cause more of an on/off function of the function.

The Sensitivity settings affects whatever controller you are using, though.


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#3522843 - 02/20/12 06:36 PM Re: Sim Racing, how to start? [Re: Staniol]  
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Hi all,
any recommended addon/utility for Rfactor, which is not eyecandy, but really useful? (HUD, FFB and such?)


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#3522847 - 02/20/12 06:44 PM Re: Sim Racing, how to start? [Re: Staniol]  
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Realfeel FFB is a great mod, that will make the game feel a lot better, definitely recommend it!


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#3522944 - 02/20/12 09:06 PM Re: Sim Racing, how to start? [Re: Ragtop]  
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Originally Posted By: Ragtop
Realfeel FFB is a great mod, that will make the game feel a lot better, definitely recommend it!


I installed it, but I assume that I have to configure it correctly since it feels worse than it was before.
Any premade ini file for a formula force ex? smile


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#3523294 - 02/21/12 10:09 AM Re: Sim Racing, how to start? [Re: Staniol]  
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Three rfactor things that i couldn't live without....

1. XD Hud. Shows additional info about your car and player standings. Not as fancy as some but has everything you need and nothing you dont.

http://www.vitumo.de/

2. Hi res mirror. Extract mirror.bmp and drop into gamedata/vehicles

HiRes Mirror download

3. rFConnect. Handy little tool for instant connection to a sever (providing you know the IP address) SimHQ is 209.200.231.205:34297 If we have more than one sever running then additional servers will use subsequent port numbers ie. 209.200.231.205:34298, 209.200.231.205:34299 etc..

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#3523454 - 02/21/12 04:22 PM Re: Sim Racing, how to start? [Re: Staniol]  
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Originally Posted By: Staniol
Originally Posted By: Ragtop
Realfeel FFB is a great mod, that will make the game feel a lot better, definitely recommend it!


I installed it, but I assume that I have to configure it correctly since it feels worse than it was before.
Any premade ini file for a formula force ex? smile


Yes, it's completely configurable with the LCTRL and RCTRL + NumPad buttons.



It is also not compatible with every mod, and others will need you to reverse the force, so be careful with that.


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#3523890 - 02/22/12 03:40 AM Re: Sim Racing, how to start? [Re: Staniol]  
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Simbin games really are some of the best racing sims.


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