and again... bring it elsewhere... don't highjack the mans screenshot thread to argue what has been argued over and over for years... going to start removing those post next, if we don't get back on topic.

Mea culpa. Maybe it would help to *move* the off-topic posts to a new thread in the appropriate section so continuity is preserved, if people who want to discuss this issue are too reluctant/lazy to open one themselves

EDIT: What the hell, I took the plunge as it's not really Magnum's job to do our work

http://simhq.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/topics/3494908/Steel_Beasts_business_model_di.html#Post3494908

I think the continuity argument is valid though, people just hate to think that their argument may get overlooked if they post in a new thread instead, so it might pay to move the existing posts on the pricing issue over. Especially as the contributions so far were very intelligent, level-headed and civil. Further, if this issue does crop up regularly, it might pay to make the new thread sticky, so newcomers can be referred to it and endless repetition of the same points in different threads is avoided.

Sorry if my post seemed like i was joining in the cost debate. I was honestly interested in the complexity post. Love the screenshots and thought if the simulations are as good as dcs a-10 i may consider a purchse.

It is more complex in general. SB is amazingly detailed on multiple levels, from unit characteristics to armor values to depth of play to the planning phase and so on and so on. The amount to learn in SB is immense, but very rewarding if one takes the time.

Awesome shoot, I just do not have enough time to devot to all these great sims.


Bullet

The individual vehicle is much easier to learn and master than a jet like the A-10. You don't have to worry keeping it in the air, there aren't that many sensor modes or different armament options. Then again, there are about a dozen different fire control systems implemented with pretty high fidelity (there still are some simplifications, of course), so if you want to master them all, that's going to take at least as much time as one study sim, be it Falcon 4 or one of the DCS series titles.

The real challenge is more in the coordination of many maneuver elements that the player may need to manage simultaneously, and the great variety of environmental conditions. It's easy to become a virtual tank gunner, but a lot more complex to manage several platoons of different weapon systems - infantry, tanks, personnel carriers, artillery observers, engineers, ...
Generally I'd say it's a mix of a real-time strategy game (less the overly hectic click fests that they tend to be, or base building), of vehicle simulation with first person perspective elements, and of a wargame. In addition, there are more meditative elements like the mission and map editors. Some people like to tinker with them which, I think, is a bit like model train diorama building (just without glue and plaster).

Oh yeah, and quite some furious action, and fear of unseen threats at long distance.

Nice shots, great sim

I'm doing the tutorials now and loving it, can't wait to do a mission

Funny, I'm learning Steel Beasts, a tank sim, and DCS A-10C, a tank buster sim lol.

You are your own nemesis! Does the world end now?

Really looking forward to getting this. Been reading up on it lots.