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#348747 - 10/28/04 01:16 PM Re: FAQ for graphics issues - last update 1/30/05
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Nico,
Which version of Catalyst drivers are you using with Win98?

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#348748 - 11/02/04 11:11 AM Re: FAQ for graphics issues - last update 1/30/05
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I'm using cat 4.9 for win 98 se. To be commplete:
wme-7-99-98-1-040712a-016504e.exe. 19.454kb. date 24-9-2004. They run wonderful good.
No crashes, no conflicts.
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#348749 - 11/08/04 12:46 PM Re: FAQ for graphics issues - last update 1/30/05
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As per discussion @ Frugals , and at the request of Doc (@TSH) who asked me to post this here (edited here for context):

If there is any kind of issue re: XP (which i do not believe is a problem), it would be the NTFS formated Hard Drives vrs FAT32 formatted. I wouldn't be at all surprised if most people simply aren't aware of the difference, or how to varify, and they just run the install over NTFS formatted HDs - some experience probs - depends on specific hard/software configs, especially video/sound cards and dll's.

It was pointed out to me a few years back, when XP first came out, that if i intend to play older games, that i should keep a hard drive formatted in FAT 32 so that these games can run properly. Jane's is one of them, and unless the actual game is supported by NTFS as indicated on the case, you should be looking at installing XP on a FAT 32 formatted HD, and all non NTFS suported games on same HD.

XP users have been using this standard Jane's F/A-18 install proceedure (which i developed on comms with more people than i can count, before writing it out) for two years with no complaints.

Slightly older ATI cards produced some probs, but work arounds are available in this thread - 'Sparling water etc....

nVidia was always awesome with no workarounds needed - just set to application controlled and away you go.

I would suggest you use nvidia's 56.72 dlls at the latest; or the current windows signed - but not the newest at nvidia.

Hope this helps.

Oh, you'll find a pretty good post on F/A-18 installs for XP users at Hardcoresims.com , Jane's F/A-18 Forum, Installing...

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#348750 - 11/30/04 09:23 PM Re: FAQ for graphics issues - last update 1/30/05
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Top post updated with the fact that sparkling water can remain on without water grid. The FAQ now only states to uncheck "low level noise mapping". I've been meaning to do this for a while.

Here's a request - can someone with an X600/X700/X800 or 6600/6800 breifly confirm that these problems are still present on these cards?

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#348751 - 12/05/04 06:50 PM Re: FAQ for graphics issues - last update 1/30/05
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Ah, never mind. With sparkling water on the grid is there, just only in a few places. Doesnt really matter, anyway, as it has no visual effect without low level noise on as well.

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#348752 - 12/10/04 11:51 AM Re: FAQ for graphics issues - last update 1/30/05
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Is the following the solution to the Radeon-&-gridlines-on-water-A/A-slowdown problem:

From http://forums.frugalsworld.com/vbb/showthread.php?t=80223 :

Quote:
Originally posted by esep: The reason that I am doing this is that in my opinion the information of this problem is scattered all over the Internet and I would like to help the community a bit by making this instruction thread. I had the same gridline problem and I think that there is need for this kind of helping post.

First you have to have a patched version of Jane's F/A-18 installed. It doesn't matter if you are using for example Team Super Hornet's high resolution addons or something like that. If you enable all the graphic options from the options of the game, you may see stupid gridlines and text on the water. That is a serious problem.

You have three options to get rid of the gridlines:

a)Turn on Full Screen Anti Aliasing (FSAA)
This removes the gridlines and everything seems to be fine, but when you change to Air-to-Air Master Mode, the game slows down and it's a pain in the a*s. So, this "solution" isn't good.

b)Turn off Sparkling Water and Low Level Noise Mapping from the game
After this you have no gridlines and the game doesn't bug. The problem is that the water looks flat and stupid. So this "solution" is also bad and we won't use it.

c)The perfect solution, Radlinker
If you want to enable all the graphical options in the game (of course you do) and you don't want your game to slow down, you have to download a small simple program called Radlinker. It has to be the right version, 0908, which I uploaded to my website. It something like 0.3 MB, very little. Everyone can download it. It's hard to find it anywhere else. Don't use the latest version, because that just doesn't fix the gridline problem. Here is the link:

http://kotinetti.suomi.net/esko.pohjoisaho/RadLinker0908.zip

When you have Radlinker 0908 installed, it may be good to reboot. After that, follow these instructions to make the game work properly:

1.) Locate F18.exe in your Jane's F18 installation directory
2.) Right click the exe and select "Create RadLink", you see that a shortcut to F18 is being made to the same directory.
3.) Right click the shortcut and select properties
4.) From the DirectX page, you have to change those options a bit. These options were originally posted by Griff from the frugalsworld, thanks to him. So be sure that you put these right:

Anisotropic Filtering - 8x Quality
Full Scene Anti-Aliasing - Application Preference
Texture Preferencce - High Quality
Mipmap Detail Level - High Quality
Z Buffer Depth - 16,24,32,8 bit stencil
Wait for Vertical Sync - Application Preference

Alpha Dither Method - Alpha Dither Method
Alternate Pixel Center - Disabled
TruForm - Enabled
W Buffer - Default

5.) Click OK
6.) Run the game from the shortcut you just created with those Radlinker options I listed.
7.) Rename the shortcut and put it into some more reasonable place if you want

So that should be all. Now you can run your Jane's F18 with full graphic options, without anti-aliasing and it should work 100%. At least it does with my Sapphire R9800 Pro 128MB with Catalyst 4.12 Beta and many other frugalsworld users too. I'm quite sure that Catalyst version does not affect to gridline problem (yet).

I use Team Super Hornet's high resolution addon and I use the game with 1280x1024 resolution. Everything works fine.


Keep in mind that everything I wrote now can already be found on the net, but I wanted to put everything to a one simple (?) thread.

Just wanted to help all the Radeon users out there.

If you find something stupid in this instruction pack, just make me aware of it and I'll fix it immediately. But I think this is all you need to know to get rid of that damn gridline problem. Unfortunately I haven't found an easier way yet \:\)
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#348753 - 12/10/04 02:48 PM Re: FAQ for graphics issues - last update 1/30/05
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Quote:
Originally posted by 'Doc':
Is the following the solution to the Radeon-&-gridlines-on-water-A/A-slowdown problem:

*LINK*
Probably so; I've been meaning to check out older versions of Radlinker and see what happened. The fact that I now know where to download an older version that is specifically waiting for me because it works with JF-18 gridlines is fantastic.

There is another problem, however. ATI has recently switched their video settings application over to something called the Catalyst Control Center (CCC). Right now it is possible to use the CCC or the old catalyst control panel to set graphics options, but eventually there will only be the CCC. Currently, the CCC is incomaptible with the latest version of Radlinker, and 3D apps will result in a BSOD if radlinker is installed.

This weekend I will install the older version of Radlinker posted at Frugal's and see if it works with the CCC. If not, I will uninstall the CCC, and then see what happens with the gridlines. If is turns out it is necessary to not use the CCC in this case, it will just add another line to the long list of things necessary to get JF-18 working with Radeon video cards.

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#348754 - 12/21/04 09:33 AM Re: FAQ for graphics issues - last update 1/30/05
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Quote:
Originally posted by 'Doc':
Is the following the solution to the Radeon-&-gridlines-on-water-A/A-slowdown problem:

From http://forums.frugalsworld.com/vbb/showthread.php?t=80223 :

Quote:
Originally posted by esep: The reason that I am doing this is that in my opinion the information of this problem is scattered all over the Internet and I would like to help the community a bit by making this instruction thread. I had the same gridline problem and I think that there is need for this kind of helping post.

First you have to have a patched version of Jane's F/A-18 installed. It doesn't matter if you are using for example Team Super Hornet's high resolution addons or something like that. If you enable all the graphic options from the options of the game, you may see stupid gridlines and text on the water. That is a serious problem.

You have three options to get rid of the gridlines:

a)Turn on Full Screen Anti Aliasing (FSAA)
This removes the gridlines and everything seems to be fine, but when you change to Air-to-Air Master Mode, the game slows down and it's a pain in the a*s. So, this "solution" isn't good.

b)Turn off Sparkling Water and Low Level Noise Mapping from the game
After this you have no gridlines and the game doesn't bug. The problem is that the water looks flat and stupid. So this "solution" is also bad and we won't use it.

c)The perfect solution, Radlinker
If you want to enable all the graphical options in the game (of course you do) and you don't want your game to slow down, you have to download a small simple program called Radlinker. It has to be the right version, 0908, which I uploaded to my website. It something like 0.3 MB, very little. Everyone can download it. It's hard to find it anywhere else. Don't use the latest version, because that just doesn't fix the gridline problem. Here is the link:

http://kotinetti.suomi.net/esko.pohjoisaho/RadLinker0908.zip

When you have Radlinker 0908 installed, it may be good to reboot. After that, follow these instructions to make the game work properly:

1.) Locate F18.exe in your Jane's F18 installation directory
2.) Right click the exe and select "Create RadLink", you see that a shortcut to F18 is being made to the same directory.
3.) Right click the shortcut and select properties
4.) From the DirectX page, you have to change those options a bit. These options were originally posted by Griff from the frugalsworld, thanks to him. So be sure that you put these right:

Anisotropic Filtering - 8x Quality
Full Scene Anti-Aliasing - Application Preference
Texture Preferencce - High Quality
Mipmap Detail Level - High Quality
Z Buffer Depth - 16,24,32,8 bit stencil
Wait for Vertical Sync - Application Preference

Alpha Dither Method - Alpha Dither Method
Alternate Pixel Center - Disabled
TruForm - Enabled
W Buffer - Default

5.) Click OK
6.) Run the game from the shortcut you just created with those Radlinker options I listed.
7.) Rename the shortcut and put it into some more reasonable place if you want

So that should be all. Now you can run your Jane's F18 with full graphic options, without anti-aliasing and it should work 100%. At least it does with my Sapphire R9800 Pro 128MB with Catalyst 4.12 Beta and many other frugalsworld users too. I'm quite sure that Catalyst version does not affect to gridline problem (yet).

I use Team Super Hornet's high resolution addon and I use the game with 1280x1024 resolution. Everything works fine.


Keep in mind that everything I wrote now can already be found on the net, but I wanted to put everything to a one simple (?) thread.

Just wanted to help all the Radeon users out there.

If you find something stupid in this instruction pack, just make me aware of it and I'll fix it immediately. But I think this is all you need to know to get rid of that damn gridline problem. Unfortunately I haven't found an easier way yet \:\)
Joe, do you think think that the above solution should be added to your first post in this thread?
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#348755 - 12/21/04 11:16 AM Re: FAQ for graphics issues - last update 1/30/05
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As soon as I check it out myself I'll add it.

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#348756 - 12/23/04 12:10 AM Re: FAQ for graphics issues - last update 1/30/05
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Roger.
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