Got to wonder what would have happened if this lady had been unarmed.Chalk one up for the good guys.

http://gma.yahoo.com/okla-woman-shoots-kills-intruder-911-operators-okay-091106413.html

Like this girl didn't have enough on her plate already! I hope she has the support needed during this time in her life.

Nothing more dangerous than a Mother protecting her child.

Well done her. If that happened in the UK she would have been done for murder, sent to prison and had her baby taken off her for killing the poor burglar.

Know what pi$$es me off more than anything about this story? The burgler attemted to get to her once before, on the day of her husband's funeral!!!!!! You know that if she didn't shoot, she probably wasn't going to come out of this alive or at least raped

And while she has no qualms protecting her child, she has to live with this.

Did you steal our laws or was the other way around ? There was a case like this 6 yes ago,but the mother her used a knife,got promptly arrested and the kid sent to some orphanage or care place since she had no relative to let him be with.I remember there were major repercussions and hungry lawyers wanting to represent her on tv...dont know the follow up,but it was messed up, the guy she murdered was her ex who THREATENED the kid to get to her,more then justified in my opinion....justice system..bah.

i doubt that,he was carrying a knife,he problably was after something the husband had and the knife was for coersion,i think that deserves a investigation from police.

Sorry, Blade, can't agree with you here.

He knocked down a door to gain entrance and was armed. Once he did that, he had to face the possibility that whoever was in that house was going to defend themselves. There is no way his behavior could be interpreted as anything other that life threatening.

I can only imagine that you feel differently if she was a member of your family.

This would be a justified defense in just about every state in this country. She did
it right, and protected her home and family under the most stressful time after just
loosing her husband on Christmas. I am sure he is looking down and Saying you go girl.

I just love it when a violent criminal gets his DRT paperwork.

I take issue with the thread title, it is ALWAYS a good thing to have a gun handy!

Yep, sure saves the tax payer a lot of money.

I doubt that actually. A reasonable apprehension of imminent serious physical harm = a right to use lethal force at common law.

Our laws regarding self-defence in Canada are as f&*#ed up as yours, but that'd still be a righteous shoot here.

Completely agree.... I hope my wife would do the same, that is why we have a pistol in the house.... for protection.

Slackadjuster

Actually, there were two scumbags trying to break into her house. After staying on the line with 911 for 21 minutes, the perps kicked in the front door, one carrying a knife. That's when she blasted his ass.

Also, there were two calls to 911 made. One by her, and one by the survivor, who after running away called to report that his partner in crime had just been shot. I'm not sure about the Florida laws, but if someone is killed while a felony is being committed, isn't the other one also charged with murder?

Farcaster,I think you are right,seems I read something about that happening recently.Might ask Magnum since he is in law enforcement in Florida.

Saw the lady and her baby on TV today,I wish them both well.She lost her husband to cancer at Christmas now this.Hope it works out for both her and her child.

Paul is correct, there is almost no country in the world, where lethal force is not legally protected during invasion of your domicile (nor would it be prosecuted). Shame she didnt tag the accomplice as well.

I don't know if Paul is correct, after all the UK did jail a guy for it once.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tony_Martin_%28farmer%29

You need that many so you can assure that at least one of them doesn't jam.* LOL!




Yes, I know the AR platform is much more reliable than it was in Vietnam, but let's face it still is more finicky than any AK platform and in home defense both perform about equally for accuracy and stopping power.

The guy had fair warning, wonder what drugs was he on.

There's a statistic which states that victims fear knives more than guns and would rather risk fleeing or fighting someone with a gun than some one with a knife.

If I understood correctly he sought to gain access to her on the day of her husbands funeral. Most theives don't want any kind of altercation, and would rather slip through undetected instead of creating havoc. Even if his original intent was robbery, I don't think it would have ended in simple larceny. She'd be buried today, and the child would be an orphan.

In the Tony Martin case here in the UK the guy was jailed because he chased the intruders - they were trying to escape through a window when one of them was shot, i.e. not posing a threat to Martin at that point. IIRC his conviction was eventually manslaughter rather than murder.

I think this mum did the right thing, but I find the tone of the news piece a bit disturbing, it's a little too celebratory for the loss of a life. This is a tragedy whichever way you look at it, not a joyous occasion.

It's not a joyous occasion, but when some idiot with a knife tries to break in a house with a mom and a baby, I don't feel bad at all for the stupid guy. If someone tried that at my house I would hope my wife would do the same thing, and she would. You don't mess with someones child.

Cleaning the Gene pool is not a tragedy in my opinion.

i disagree that it's not a joyous occasion - two scumbags were going to murder or rape a girl and one of them was taken off the planet - that's fantastic news as far as i'm concerned.

Good on her, you can't know what these scumbags want, you can't assume that they just want to rob you, once you're at their mercy they could turn out to be the next Ted Bundy!

I bet he didn't feel so brave once he saw the barrel pointing at him, good riddance.

This!!

Sure enough, dirtbag #2 is being charged with murder. From CNN:

As for what they were on, I believe I read methocodone?



The Jedi Master

Well lets hope that scumbag is sent down for a while.

As far as i'm concerned she is a credit to her child and also damn good riddance to that tosser who had the knife, one less scumbag on this earth, i say good riddance and excellent news!

The picture of her holding her Baby and the one of the guy who fled says it all, had she not been armed it is obvious that she would not have come out of this alive. The guy is huge and he looks like he would be the kind that would harm a young mother and her child, I have no pity for him.

Mine is one of those,you can ONLY shoot them,if they are armed and threaten you.They may even inquire if you give the perp a warning.



"Stewart is facing a first-degree felony murder charge even though he did not pull the trigger, because if someone dies during the commission of certain crimes, such as burglary, an individual can be charged in the death, prosecutors said." "

lol whut ? i sure hopes this only extend to acomplishes

Tragedies in no particular order:
- someone is dead, so someone else has lost their son, boyfriend, whatever
- that mum had to shoot and kill someone for her own safety and that of her baby, and now has to live with that from here on
- those two guys had lives so screwed up that they thought this was acceptable or something - that's society's ongoing tragedy

I certainly agree with your second point.

About the other two points... boo-hoo , too bad so sad.

Teeps,

2nd point is valid. I would not wish that on anyone having to carry that on their conscience. However, it should be lessened knowing that she did it for the right reason, and was justified in doing so. She didn't choose the situation, but she did choose the outcome.

1-3: That is on them. It's call personal responsibility. They chose to attack someone, therefore, the consequences are theirs alone.

Yea, if society shot more home invaders during the home invasion, it'd not only save tax payer dollars, it'd be a pretty large economic disincentive to break into houses.

I totally agree that it's on them, and the challenges of our societies don't remove anyone's personal responsibility, but I still think it's a real waste of lives that should have been so much more.

That is crazy. If they are breaking into your house, you should be allowed to shoot them, no questions asked.





Basically, if you are committing a felony and someone dies because of that felony, you get charged with first degree murder.

For example a few years ago we had a car in a gas station which a bunch of gang members. They saw another dealer there and decided to shoot him. He was standing outside the door on his cell phone. As a citizen walked out the door, the gang members started shooting at the other drug dealer. The citizen pulled his gun and returned fire. He hit 2 of the 3 gang members in the car, but the real issue was that one of the rounds ended up going past the gang members in the car and hit a lady crossing the street.

The gang members in the car were arrested when the accomplice took the others to the hospital. They were all charged with first degree murder, even though none of the 3 shot her. It was because of their felony, that the citizen killed the lady crossing the street. Therefore, they were responsible as if they shot her.

Even though she is quite young and had very recently lost her husband, she showed a very cool head and determination in a situation that would have caused many people to panic.

As the wise man said "pick the mother of your children well".

SIDE STORY:

My brother had a job assignment where he traveled from Sunday to the following Friday. He'd be picked up by a limo to be taken to the airport on Sunday, leaving his wife and 12 year old boy alone for the week. They lived in a suburban/farm area. It wasn't totally isolated, but there was a good deal of land between houses and even more important the police.

On one trip to the air port his limo driver was commenting about the surroundings and if my brother ever worries about crime when he's gone. It really must worry you to leave your wife and kid all week.

Well, it MIGHT have been casual conversation from the limo driver. On the other hand it could have been just his way of casing the joint.

I do worry about that, he said. I'm worried that my son and I go hunting on a regular basis and he can kill a buck at 250 yards standing up - much farther laying down. I'm worried that someone would try to break in and he'd defend his mother with one of his rifles and kill someone. I'm VERY worried about that, because I'd hate for him to live with the consequences of the shooting - no matter how right he was.

It got real quiet in the limo. I'm not even sure that limo driver ever picked him up again. LOL

This is DEFINETELY something we need here,these days all lower crimes are done by a perp and one or two minors,the minors handle the gun becouse our fauty system makes it so that perp is not related to their crime,so if the kids shoots someone they only go for juvenile jail,and worse,once they complete 18,no matter how long he was sentence he just get out of the juvenile back to the streets.If bandits were responsible for the action of the minors i doubt they would be enlisting them.

My former state attorney general had it right:





http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charlie_Condon

In AZ if you are a juvenile at 16 and you commit a violent felony it is automatic adult court. If you are are 11-14, a judge decides which you go to. We keep you till 21 and AZ doesn't purge juvenile records until you are 25 minimum and they count during adult sentencing.

It should be the law in every state, that repelling a home invasion should be presumed justifiable self defense.
It took the Supreme Court to get one city in particular to recognize the right of a citizen to even posses a usable handgun in the home for self defense. You could have a get this a "locked and unloaded or disaembled handgun" to stay on the right side of the law.

Looks like he's attending TWO funerals this month. Zing!! Kidding aside I'd much rather read a "Mom defends home" story than a "Mother killed in front of her infant on the day of her husband's funeral" - or whatever his intent was - story ANY day.

I am quite surprised...even if it is the law, seems the police is quite cool in such cases, no ? a friend of mine lives in Sao Luis and it told me some stories about burglars disappearing after the police chased them or after having been shot at in their try to break in a house.No trial for anybody .

"Hi, here's your newspap.."
BOOOM
"Oh Mr. Officer, my eyes always look like this, i would never take drugs"

how many GamerScore does she get for the Achievement?

Can't tell you about as i don't know,i suspect you mean sao luis do maranhao,sao luis is a popular name for state,municipes,and neighboorhoods,lol.
brazil doesn't have (luckly) much home invasion,and when it does generaly they are aware the owners aren't at home, i know here in rio,the police did disapear with lower bandits,now with so many scrutiny not so much,drug traffic provide too much of income for them to bother petty thieveries against home and pedestrians,only when the police rain down on them, you see the pedestrian and car theft rise.