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#3488227 - 01/05/12 12:20 PM Re: Ha,Ha,Sometimes Having a Gun Handy Is a Good Thing [Re: SeaAce]
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SIDE STORY:

My brother had a job assignment where he traveled from Sunday to the following Friday. He'd be picked up by a limo to be taken to the airport on Sunday, leaving his wife and 12 year old boy alone for the week. They lived in a suburban/farm area. It wasn't totally isolated, but there was a good deal of land between houses and even more important the police.

On one trip to the air port his limo driver was commenting about the surroundings and if my brother ever worries about crime when he's gone. It really must worry you to leave your wife and kid all week.

Well, it MIGHT have been casual conversation from the limo driver. On the other hand it could have been just his way of casing the joint.

I do worry about that, he said. I'm worried that my son and I go hunting on a regular basis and he can kill a buck at 250 yards standing up - much farther laying down. I'm worried that someone would try to break in and he'd defend his mother with one of his rifles and kill someone. I'm VERY worried about that, because I'd hate for him to live with the consequences of the shooting - no matter how right he was.

It got real quiet in the limo. I'm not even sure that limo driver ever picked him up again. LOL


Edited by knightgames (01/05/12 12:20 PM)

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#3488308 - 01/05/12 01:33 PM Re: Ha,Ha,Sometimes Having a Gun Handy Is a Good Thing [Re: Timothy]
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Originally Posted By: Timothy


Basically, if you are committing a felony and someone dies because of that felony, you get charged with first degree murder.

For example a few years ago we had a car in a gas station which a bunch of gang members. They saw another dealer there and decided to shoot him. He was standing outside the door on his cell phone. As a citizen walked out the door, the gang members started shooting at the other drug dealer. The citizen pulled his gun and returned fire. He hit 2 of the 3 gang members in the car, but the real issue was that one of the rounds ended up going past the gang members in the car and hit a lady crossing the street.

The gang members in the car were arrested when the accomplice took the others to the hospital. They were all charged with first degree murder, even though none of the 3 shot her. It was because of their felony, that the citizen killed the lady crossing the street. Therefore, they were responsible as if they shot her.



This is DEFINETELY something we need here,these days all lower crimes are done by a perp and one or two minors,the minors handle the gun becouse our fauty system makes it so that perp is not related to their crime,so if the kids shoots someone they only go for juvenile jail,and worse,once they complete 18,no matter how long he was sentence he just get out of the juvenile back to the streets.If bandits were responsible for the action of the minors i doubt they would be enlisting them.

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#3488334 - 01/05/12 02:05 PM Re: Ha,Ha,Sometimes Having a Gun Handy Is a Good Thing [Re: SeaAce]
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My former state attorney general had it right:



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In 2001, Attorney General Condon declared an open season on home invaders. He mandated that, "citizens' defending their home against invasion should not be arrested, charged or prosecuted. The message needs to be sent loudly and clearly that the state is going to back the homeowner if their home is invaded," he said in an interview. "I'm putting home invaders on notice that if an occupant chooses to use deadly force, there will be no prosecution." But Mr. Condon said he was tired of seeing homeowners who defended their homes dragged through lengthy investigations and trials before being cleared, when it was obvious to him that they did nothing wrong.

"You don't want to put the homeowner in the position of saying, 'If I use deadly force, I might be cleared after a trial,'" Mr. Condon said. "That's tantamount to saying that people have rights, but there's a huge cross attached to it. Most courts have a laissez-faire attitude about these things, figuring that everything will come out fine after a trial. But I think we need to send the message that the home is sacred ground, period."


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charlie_Condon
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#3488426 - 01/05/12 03:49 PM Re: Ha,Ha,Sometimes Having a Gun Handy Is a Good Thing [Re: Blade_RJ]
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Originally Posted By: Blade_RJ
Originally Posted By: Timothy


Basically, if you are committing a felony and someone dies because of that felony, you get charged with first degree murder.

For example a few years ago we had a car in a gas station which a bunch of gang members. They saw another dealer there and decided to shoot him. He was standing outside the door on his cell phone. As a citizen walked out the door, the gang members started shooting at the other drug dealer. The citizen pulled his gun and returned fire. He hit 2 of the 3 gang members in the car, but the real issue was that one of the rounds ended up going past the gang members in the car and hit a lady crossing the street.

The gang members in the car were arrested when the accomplice took the others to the hospital. They were all charged with first degree murder, even though none of the 3 shot her. It was because of their felony, that the citizen killed the lady crossing the street. Therefore, they were responsible as if they shot her.



This is DEFINETELY something we need here,these days all lower crimes are done by a perp and one or two minors,the minors handle the gun becouse our fauty system makes it so that perp is not related to their crime,so if the kids shoots someone they only go for juvenile jail,and worse,once they complete 18,no matter how long he was sentence he just get out of the juvenile back to the streets.If bandits were responsible for the action of the minors i doubt they would be enlisting them.


In AZ if you are a juvenile at 16 and you commit a violent felony it is automatic adult court. If you are are 11-14, a judge decides which you go to. We keep you till 21 and AZ doesn't purge juvenile records until you are 25 minimum and they count during adult sentencing.
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#3488435 - 01/05/12 04:01 PM Re: Ha,Ha,Sometimes Having a Gun Handy Is a Good Thing [Re: Dogsbd]
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Originally Posted By: Dogsbd
My former state attorney general had it right:



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In 2001, Attorney General Condon declared an open season on home invaders. He mandated that, "citizens' defending their home against invasion should not be arrested, charged or prosecuted. The message needs to be sent loudly and clearly that the state is going to back the homeowner if their home is invaded," he said in an interview. "I'm putting home invaders on notice that if an occupant chooses to use deadly force, there will be no prosecution." But Mr. Condon said he was tired of seeing homeowners who defended their homes dragged through lengthy investigations and trials before being cleared, when it was obvious to him that they did nothing wrong.

"You don't want to put the homeowner in the position of saying, 'If I use deadly force, I might be cleared after a trial,'" Mr. Condon said. "That's tantamount to saying that people have rights, but there's a huge cross attached to it. Most courts have a laissez-faire attitude about these things, figuring that everything will come out fine after a trial. But I think we need to send the message that the home is sacred ground, period."


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charlie_Condon



It should be the law in every state, that repelling a home invasion should be presumed justifiable self defense.
It took the Supreme Court to get one city in particular to recognize the right of a citizen to even posses a usable handgun in the home for self defense. You could have a get this a "locked and unloaded or disaembled handgun" to stay on the right side of the law.

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#3488531 - 01/05/12 06:23 PM Re: Ha,Ha,Sometimes Having a Gun Handy Is a Good Thing [Re: SeaAce]
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Looks like he's attending TWO funerals this month. Zing!! Kidding aside I'd much rather read a "Mom defends home" story than a "Mother killed in front of her infant on the day of her husband's funeral" - or whatever his intent was - story ANY day.

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#3488684 - 01/06/12 02:01 AM Re: Ha,Ha,Sometimes Having a Gun Handy Is a Good Thing [Re: Blade_RJ]
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Originally Posted By: Blade_RJ
Originally Posted By: WhistlinggDeath
Paul is correct, there is almost no country in the world, where lethal force is not legally protected during invasion of your domicile (nor would it be prosecuted). Shame she didnt tag the accomplice as well.


Mine is one of those,you can ONLY shoot them,if they are armed and threaten you.They may even inquire if you give the perp a warning.



"Stewart is facing a first-degree felony murder charge even though he did not pull the trigger, because if someone dies during the commission of certain crimes, such as burglary, an individual can be charged in the death, prosecutors said." "

lol whut ? i sure hopes this only extend to acomplishes


I am quite surprised...even if it is the law, seems the police is quite cool in such cases, no ? a friend of mine lives in Sao Luis and it told me some stories about burglars disappearing after the police chased them or after having been shot at in their try to break in a house.No trial for anybody .

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#3489020 - 01/06/12 12:05 PM Re: Ha,Ha,Sometimes Having a Gun Handy Is a Good Thing [Re: SeaAce]
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#3489028 - 01/06/12 12:17 PM Re: Ha,Ha,Sometimes Having a Gun Handy Is a Good Thing [Re: SeaAce]
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#3489140 - 01/06/12 03:49 PM Re: Ha,Ha,Sometimes Having a Gun Handy Is a Good Thing [Re: kaa]
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Originally Posted By: kaa
Originally Posted By: Blade_RJ
Originally Posted By: WhistlinggDeath
Paul is correct, there is almost no country in the world, where lethal force is not legally protected during invasion of your domicile (nor would it be prosecuted). Shame she didnt tag the accomplice as well.


Mine is one of those,you can ONLY shoot them,if they are armed and threaten you.They may even inquire if you give the perp a warning.



"Stewart is facing a first-degree felony murder charge even though he did not pull the trigger, because if someone dies during the commission of certain crimes, such as burglary, an individual can be charged in the death, prosecutors said." "

lol whut ? i sure hopes this only extend to acomplishes


I am quite surprised...even if it is the law, seems the police is quite cool in such cases, no ? a friend of mine lives in Sao Luis and it told me some stories about burglars disappearing after the police chased them or after having been shot at in their try to break in a house.No trial for anybody .


Can't tell you about as i don't know,i suspect you mean sao luis do maranhao,sao luis is a popular name for state,municipes,and neighboorhoods,lol.
brazil doesn't have (luckly) much home invasion,and when it does generaly they are aware the owners aren't at home, i know here in rio,the police did disapear with lower bandits,now with so many scrutiny not so much,drug traffic provide too much of income for them to bother petty thieveries against home and pedestrians,only when the police rain down on them, you see the pedestrian and car theft rise.

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