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#3485835 - 01/02/12 12:20 AM Force Feedback and BS 2
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I'm new th Black Shark. Bought it on special for $26.50. now I like the feel of the chopper, but i'm struggling to get trimming of course.

It seems that with FF enabled, the craft behaves very differently regarding trim than with FF disabled.
I unchecked 'central position' thing option becasue it seems that it is only for non FF sticks.

Is there something I should know about BS2 FF and trim ?

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#3485861 - 01/02/12 03:08 AM Re: Force Feedback and BS 2 [Re: W1ndy]
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Depends, but you need to practise a lot.
If everything goes fine, as a general rule, your FF joy should remain in the position you left it after trimming.
I had hard times with my MS Sidewinder, until I realised that I had to inverse the Y response of FFB in game.
Since than, I enjoy it and it feels perfect.
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#3486362 - 01/02/12 09:28 PM Re: Force Feedback and BS 2 [Re: Staniol]
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Originally Posted By: Staniol

I had hard times with my MS Sidewinder, until I realised that I had to inverse the Y response of FFB in game.
Since than, I enjoy it and it feels perfect.


Inverse the Y response of the FFB. OK I didn't know that before . It's good info. Thanks.

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#3496702 - 01/17/12 11:39 AM Re: Force Feedback and BS 2 [Re: W1ndy]
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Its not inverting the Y response (whatever that means.. wink )
You have to swap the FFB axis in FFB tune for the MS-FFB2:



Edit:
and pitch and roll has to be linear (like default) - when applying a curves to the axis the FFB motors will be not in sync with the reported axis position - so the stick will not hold the position where you have applied the trim.


This is how a FFB stick should behave when you trim:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=JB9oyGVGSo8#t=50s



Edited by Peter_P (01/17/12 02:52 PM)

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#3500062 - 01/21/12 01:22 AM Re: Force Feedback and BS 2 [Re: W1ndy]
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Hi !

I have trouble getting my G940 working with BS.
If i understand well, when i press the trim setting, the FFB should keep the joystick in the current place.

As far as i read on the web,

-i must disable "auto centering" option in joystick setting
-I must keep standard curve in BS option.

however, i get a kind of annoying problem - when i trim the stick, the FFB do his job and keeps the joystick in trimmed position... except if i release the joystick. If i remove my hand of the joystick, it goes back to center position. if i slighly touch the joystick, the joystick get back to trimmed position.

The problem is, because the joystick brutal self-centering manoeuver, the helo goes wild, and in-game i am already crashed, burning, and with my rotor blades 200m away from the Ka50.....

Any one has advices ?
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#3500151 - 01/21/12 06:18 AM Re: Force Feedback and BS 2 [Re: W1ndy]
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There is a photocell in the grip that detects if your hand is on the grip.

Just close it with a little piece of tape.

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#3502428 - 01/24/12 06:34 AM Re: Force Feedback and BS 2 [Re: W1ndy]
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I actually used a piece of paper and a rubber band to hold it on.
There are also some settings you might have to mess with. Non-FFB sticks center themselves after you trim, but an FFB stick will stay, so the program needs to know which you have so it knows whether to expect the stick to center itself or to stay put. The "FFB" checkbox in the game is unfortunately not a one-box-does-it-all option, that just turns FFB on without dictating to the program which kind of stick you're using. There's a .lua file somewhere that you have to change a 0 to 1 or vice versa in for that part.

I personally also had to change my stick curve to make the saturation -100 or something like that...don't quote me, I'm going from a fuzzy memory here! Anyway, if I didn't do that, when I trimmed the stick it would move like halfway back to center, but not all the way back nor would it stay. So whichever option I chose it was wrong, either too much input for being centered or not enough for trim-held.



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