This is not an,"Apply to Fly" problem..., but apologies for a potentially newbie question, but finally have time over the holidays to immerse myself in RoF engine management. BUT I can't figure out how to customize the dual button assignment needed for mixture, radiator etc.

I would like to have idle mixture on two joystick buttons: one button to lean, one button to enrich, BUT when I go to assign increase/decrease the setting assigns my first attempt at setting button choice to both! See screenshot. Yet the default assignment shows that two button combinations are required. How do you select to set this up???

Of course the same goes for radiator and altitude throttle management, so I'm at an impasse. Any help sincerely appreciated. I know it has to be something simple that I cannot see...


EDIT: Ah, me thinks this requires button assignments within the joystick management software... NO! I assigned the default mixture values to the two joystick buttons, and still cannot change mixture with joystick, however when I use the default buttons mixture does change accordingly. I'm at a loss... Old(er) Logitec FF 3D Pro, never let me down so far...

EDIT 2: Yes, it is the evening of Dec 31 and I have no plans other than to learn engine management, Pathetic no?

I'm just guessing here but It says joy-0 button 1 for both. Should it be button-1 for one and buttonXYZ for the other? Try pressing the button for - then the one for + quickly see if that wont work. (Mines on a slider ch TQ) so just guessing here!

Hey Bandy,

You screenshot makes it look like your controller has a sticky button or something.

...like it is giving off multiple signals instead of just one.

That, or ROF is just being super sensative ( I suspect the later here )


One thing you might try, is use the other button you wanted to use ( let's just pretend its Joy0-But3 ) just so you can get an ID on what the button is called within ROF --- and then go into your x:/ROF/data/input/_current_.map file and find/edit the following lines:


action("RPC_MIXTURE_P",State,joy0_b1);
action("RPC_MIXTURE_N",State,joy0_b3); (yours would say joy0_b1 for both)



Try that.

Sincere thanks for suggestions gents, but after trying again it's not a sticky button issue. The assignment for increase and decrease both get filled when pushing one button, and that's that.

The Devs really should have put the mixture and radiator increase/decrease as two separate line entries...

WWBrian, editing the map file directly is a great idea, guess it was too late last night for me to think of that!

I use o for open and c for close for radiator management ---- r for rich and l for lean for carb management. Works like a champ. Never had the need to make instantaneous adjustments of either.

That's a good point, thanks Copter, and maybe a good reality check for me. As I mentioned, I'm learning the in's and out's of mixture (and eventually) radiator, so was giving it a go with the N17 first with simple gauges in 'Fly Now'.

I never flew higher than 10,000 ft. (yet) but apparently below that you don't need to lean the mixture. Right? The N17 RPM didn't change at all, so no mixture adjustment required? However, I did notice that the engine temperature was dangerously cold though (simple gauge light blinking, needle in blue zone); I read you HAVE to lean out mixture to increase temp--you want to run the engine hot to combat higher alt. temp effects.

So, if you dive away (pursuit or escape) for a thousand feet or more, I would think you do need to make some quick mixture adjustments to optimize and ultimately reduce chance of engine failure--worse case scenario.

But at this point I am only guessing, I don't have the experience that I'm sure others do. Perhaps I'm making this engine management thing more difficult than it actually is? I'm prone to doing that...

it's trying to assign it as an axis that's why its filling both, I have an X-52 and I use the thumb slider and I only need to assign one the other fills in and it works, so you'll probably need to use the keyboard assignments.

Ahhhh! I figured this out. I gave it one more go just now, and as the gents said above, RoF was being super-sensitive. If you hit one button to assign increase, and if not quick enough, the same button will be entered for decrease. BUT if you hit one button, then the other immediately (before it defaults to the first button pushed), THEN it enters a button each for each assignment. Oh joy!

Thanks again for support, and any further practical advice on reality of engine management in RoF appreciated. Perhaps I'm influenced by years of trying to get proper mixture tune on my carburetor from a vintage 1600 cc VW air cooled engine.

EDIT: Arghhh, tried to continue my ongoing beta careers with engine management, and can't. They seem to be locked in the 'realism' selections made upon their inception. Oh well...

Current planes I'm flying with mixture controls are the NE 28 and the SE-5. Both need to be set to full-rich for starting. After starting I set the NE 28 mixture to alittle forward of the center position on the mixture control and pretty much leave it alone-it doesn't seem to have much effect on the 28 after you've made the initial "peak" adjustment.

The SE-5 gets alot of benefit (RPM wise) from tweaking the mixture control. As you climb you'll need to lean the mixture to get max performance. In the summertime I leave the radiator wide open during flight UNLESS I'm at a fairly high altitude and make a long dive and then I'll close it until I level off again-then it's wide open.

During winter (snow on the ground) I leave the radiator about 1/4 closed at all times unless I'm making a long dive.

I have all of the options set to "real" except for the first 4 items that have to do with seeing things (eyes are getting old) and one engine option which is that my engine starts out "warmed up". If you don't click this option and you're flying a bird with a radiator, you'll have to sit there for around 5 minutes for the engine to warm up and I have better things to do...

Go to the quick mission and practice with the SE-5, you'll quickly see the effects that mixture has on SOME aircraft.

You can always change your difficulty settings from mission to mission.

...what I suspect is the new patch reset you to Novice settings and not the settings you previously used.





One thing you can do, is simply load up a game with AUTO-MIXTURE turned on, and watch where the AI wants to set your mixture at various altitudes.

....then just copy what the AI does. (works for learning radiator as well)

It's a great starting point for the basics on engine managment!

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