Hi there !
I love that little gimmick with the handgun and bought it right away.

So has anyone out there the video proof of an (pure) aerial victory with the colt ? I´d love to see that...

:-D

Me too!!!

Were there any confirmed handgun kills during WWI? I know they fought with handguns, rifles and shotguns in the beginning, but I can't recall if someone actually got shot down...

That reminds me of the scene in the Flyboy's movie where the pilot loops over his German ace foe from right to left side pulls a pistol and shoots the German pilot in the head! Yeah Hollywood... but it could of happened, Yes?

If I shoot down my own aircraft with the .45 does that count?

I shot myself in the crotch with the flare pistol. Didn't end well.

LMAO feathered.. you got a film of that? OMG that would be funny!..er Sorry for making fun of your fiery crotch. Look at the bright side with all the singed hair, no need to shave for a while!

I ended up taking potshots at a H.P. O-400 in an online dogfight last night, having deadsticked onto the airfield after losing my Dr.1's engine, and finding the H.P. circling. I emptied a couple of clips in its general direction, and it crashed. Then again, seeing as I'd already set an engine on fire, and the flak was shooting at it too, it probably wasn't the Colt that did it...

Come on tychos..what, did he fall on a ice pick fourteen times before falling down eight flights of stairs? Come on man, prof of the potshots! Let's see some pictures! I joke with you... really I do!

Feathered - that didn't even start well.

Just drawing the handgun and shooting at the enemy is hilarious. Its worth the money for that.

I'd like the AI to use it sometimes.

They have something for that now, no need to suffer in shame, just a little needle in the arse.



REFERENCE although I have read the last bit in a number of books as well, however, I cannot find any info on the RJF Barton/Felix Brocord stories. Anyone???

Does anyone know if you can torch enemy planes with the flaregun?

I can't ATM, but try shooting your wingman before you take off, see if he lights up.

So much for ACM and actually having to fly the aircraft well.

No

Didn't get a film of it, sorry. The screen went red though, and there was a sound like my ears were ringing. All it needed was an effect of the eyes watering too and it would have been spot on.

You can burn the pilot with the flaregun though, if you manage to fire a flare into the open cockpit. Or fire it into your own cockpit...................

In an "Old Fokkers" session not too long ago we managed to both torch aircraft and hit pilots with the flare gun, no video proof but 7 people saw it and a few of those 7 people are ppl the hardcore ww1 simmer veteran bows his head for so I stand my ground

I want the grappling hook add-on /jk

I think the reason that flares in RoF generally don't have an effect is that they bounce off aircraft, rather than penetrating - you can bounce them off your own wing, or even the propeller! Maybe if you get one into a cockpit, it behaves differently?

And I stand my ground. I actually asked one of the developers that very question ("can aircraft be set on fire by flares?"), and the answer was a flat-out "No."

Go try it for yourself and see what types of results you get.

I'm going back to "Hollywood" on this, in Flyboys one pilot shoots a balloon with a flare gun and it blows up. I did try this on line before the update and pilots pack but I couldn't aim it right..I wonder now...

EDIT: I'm wrong, it was in the movie Red Baron. Good flick if you like Germans that speak with a English accent.

I managed to kill myself with the Colt.

Just aim at the seat and fire 4 times. Each shot increases the red screen until death.

I also did damage to my own wing that was visible from both cockpit and external views.

Apparently not. But you can do it with a .45. I'd like to see someone do it to an enemy in flight, that would be tough, but sitting at the aerodrome, engine idling, one of my squadmates in the plane next to me emptied his .45 into my engine, and it began to burn. My screen began to turn red... that's when I hit "finish flight." So I think it would be possible in flight, if you could just score several hits to the engine, which would be nearly impossible of course.

This handgun thing is an abomination of all that a historic flight sim should be offering as a feature. Firing a handgun is hard. Just keeping your arm steady enough to hit a door at 5 meters is very hard. Add the constant movement of a bobbing plane, the intense buffeting of the slipstream AND the need to fly, and shooting a handgun any more accurately than getting the hemisphere right is impossible.

You might wanna get that looked at.

I just hope that they didn't program the AI to use a hand gun. I don't want to get popped in mid air by a colt fired from 500 yards .

From page 2 of this thread...

REFERENCE I still cannot find any info on the RJF Barton/Felix Brocord pistol stories, but Barton turned into a high ranking RAF officer after the war, and if you can't trust an officer...

I had a jack-ass take my rear gunner position in a DFW the other night and, as usual, he started firing the gun at nothing. Just using up ammo. I pulled the pistol, turned around, and shot him in the head. Took two or three shots, but he slumped over and never moved again.

I like my Colt...

About the only thing it's good for. I would love to see an animation of that in-game.

So in german planes you still have the colt?

No, it would be a "prize Colt", just like how the British Aldis gunsight shows up on the Albatros etc.

I'm sure they'll develop a German specific handgun. I hope for a Mauser C96.

If you give the AI a gun with an actual stock they will start hitting from 1000 yards. Who needs a Barret .50 cal?

P.S. That is a butt ugly thing.

edit - delete completely wrong info about the pistol

Hey, I've seen that gun before...

But the fact is, is that it was done in WW1.

Ugly is in the eye of the beholder, no? I agree the C96 looks ungainly with the stock attached, and I'm sure it would increase the AI accuracy with it, but ultimately/arguably it would probably be the most accurate appropriate pistol to model for German airmen to carry. And besides, it was cool enough for Han Solo.

I'm surprised nobody has mentioned that the British and French would likely never have carried a Colt, though I assume the devs are taking a wait-and-see attitude whether the Colt sells before expanding the handgun collection/selection. IMHO (I ain't a rivet counter...) the two standard issue sidearms below are similar enough to just develop one model for both.

Edit: naw, they're pretty different, and no sense in alienating one camp over the other, better make 'em both

British would likely have carried a Webley


The French standard issue weapon was the Pistole Revolveur Modele 1892

The British military purchased quite a few M1911s, and many of them ended up with their aviation components:

http://www.sightm1911.com/1911Production.htm

http://coolgunsite.com/pistols/1911/1916455.htm

Colt 1911 is a powerful and reliable sidearm, and I stand corrected RE: RAF
But still valid point for vast majority of RFC years (RAF inception April 1918), and ALA.

I'd take a Lee Einfeld (although the C96 would be more practical). Anyway, I'm sure this will be more useful when they model a two-seater which doesn't have a ring mounting (only a handheld machinegun fired from the shoulder - as the first two-seaters carried).

This feature will also be more valuable if a new animation system allows the player to land and get out of the plane - a whole new way to take an enemy captive or finish an online duel...

Read those links again, and this one as well:

http://riseofflight.com/Forum/viewtopic.php?p=359583#p359583

Shot one of those (without the stock)-interesting pistol.

There is a much better German pistol that was available during the Great War-the Luger. The German army adopted the Luger in 1908 and it was their "official" sidearm of the first war. Great pistol to shoot and it fits the hand like no other.

The C96 is loaded by using stripper clips while the Luger is loaded with a removable "clip" or magazine, just like the 45 ACP. The C96 would be ALOT harder to load in flight.

I would agree with the Luger if it didn't have a rainbow for its trajectory! I've fired one of those, an original, not an 'under license' variant...
I'm sure the devs would model the Luger in the end, I've just always found the C96 to be so much more interesting, and unconnected to that 'other' conflict.

My uncle landed at Normandy and I shot the luger that was "surrendered" to him by-well, it's a hell of a story but ya'll probably wouldn't believe it if I told you. Suffice it to say that during the late 1940's early 1950's Encyclopedia Britannica had a huge section dealing with WW2 and in particular the liberation of Paris. My uncle Marsh (a leut.) is pictured holding the luger on a very famous general that was captured during the liberation of Paris.

The luger was a beautiful "commercial grade" pistol and he brought it home with two matching serial numbered magazines, the matching holster and the belt and most importantly the belt buckle. I don't think he ever really understood its value as he let me shoot it many times.

Now the sad part of the story....

My Uncle Marsh passed away while I was serving in the military and my Aunt Wanda GAVE THE FREAKIN' PISTOL, HOLSTER, BELT AWAY!!!!!!!!!

When I came home she told me what she'd done and I think I almost cried. She had no idea as to the historical significance of the pistol because Uncle Marsh never talked to her EVER about his time in Europe. I couldn't bring myself to tell her what she'd done as she could have certainly used the money and lord knows what that pistol had to be worth...

ANYWAY-the bullet trajectory of the 9mm is flatter than the 45 ACP. The 9mm has a mid range traj. of 3.6 inches at 100 yards and the 45 ACP is 6.8 inches at the same range so the 9 has about half again flatter traj. at 100 yards compared to the 45.

A C96 would be cool but modelling the reloading process would be alot of work to make it look good and it would be a BEEE-ATCH to do while flying!

I have not purchased the Colt; haven't made up my mind whether it is worth it or not.
Can somebody who owns the Colt provide some screenshots please?

I would like to see whether, as some report, the arm floats in space dismembered.
Do external views show the pilot holding and aiming along the gun?
Are there any limitations, such as pointing the gun to shoot at 6 o'clock?

Thank you.

PS: @ Copter, I can sympathize. I returned from university one Christmas and went to oil up the Spencer repeating rifle (stamped 1861) my father had bought years earlier and gave to me subsequently because he knew I liked it as a piece of history. Ends up he had traded it in for yet ANOTHER deer rifle. We already had over a half-dozen of those within the extended family...

Revisited Leon Bennett's book, "Gunning for the Red Baron" and saw this interesting image, apparently of a real event. I searched for the reference listed, Flying, November 1914 to no avail, but found that Bennett's book is available electronically for about $16, and there is a publisher's preview available. Check it out LINK HERE.

I've shot both a Colt .45 ( Argentine army model ) and an original German Luger from around 1939...suffice to say, I preferred the accuracy of the Luger, but my opinion on durability and reliability goes to the Colt.

Also, the Luger in reference was a bit "fussy", needing to be fed rounds that were a certain shape at the nose...it jammed on occasion. My friend still has the pistol, original holster, two magazines and breakdown tool which he got from his father ( a WWII veteran who bought it later on for his collection ) who recently passed away.

I can attest to the accuracy at range as well: The .45 is a bigger and therefore heavier round and the overall cartridge is similar, so "drop" in flight is naturally more pronounced.

@ Copter: Sorry to hear of that being given away, it would have been worth a minor fortune to a collector and the money would have come in handy.

EDIT: I have the ROF Colt Mod, but have yet to try it out in-game.

Then ask the WW guys, aircraft was set on fire by flare gun. We know what we saw and boy did we laugh out loud!
Started out with a few flares to show stragglers the airfield location at the end of a coop mission, by the time I got there the place was livening up quite a bit.
First time I ever landed in a crossflare.. Then we lined up at the hangars and started shooting flares at eachother, hurting pilots at first, then everyone fired at only one of us, whose aircraft catched on fire, pilot succumbing to the flames, Flybert was the guy that I remember as definitely being there (Along with a great bunch of other WW ppl)

So which of the devs is your source? If it`s 100% undeniable info you got then it`s also official, no?
Otherwise RoF has a bug with aircraft on the ground randomly going up in flames lol

http://www.warandgame.info/2008/02/aviation-in-mexican-revolution.html

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@ Copter:

Can't find the picture you mentioned for the life of me, but I believe you.

Well, SOMEONE had to get the Luger. His commanding officer probably gave it to your uncle after all the picture-taking...;) Yes, I know who the German general was, and yes I believe the story. I've met famous people before they became that way ( they're just people like us ).

I had a girlfriend whose uncle is a famous NFL quarterback from the 1960's and 70's. Ed Marinaro from "Hill Street Blues" walked right by me in the airport at Newark, NJ one day in the mid-80's. My grandmother was in Marty Robbins' fanclub back in the 70's and had many pictures taken with him. It's a small world sometimes.

On-topic:

There's a thread on the ROF forums about getting victories with the handgun, but AFAIK nobody has done it yet and can provide proof:
http://riseofflight.com/Forum/viewtopic.php?f=49&t=26603&hilit=colt

His Youtube video is definitely worth a look ON THIS PAGE.

Not much kick from that Colt though...

Nope, wasn't his commanding officer-he'd been killed on the beach and he was in command of the point unit that arrived at the bunker complex first. He said it wasn't a big deal surrender wise as they'd already apparently made up their minds that the excrement had hit the fan. Of course the big boys showed up later to do the "official" deal.

He told a story of arriving on the outskirts of Paris and a bank had apparently been hit by an artillary round that hit the vault-he said money was all over the street and he had to almost shoot at his own guys to keep them from running out in the open to pick up money that was probably useless anyway!!!!

HAH- that's a good one Naviar2! You're right about that-the person who lived across the hall from my parents was John Carradine, a famous actor from the 40's and 50's ( He was in the original Grapes of Wrath with Henry Fonda). His son was David Carradine of "Kung Fu" met him in the elevator once-weird dude for sure! And on top of that, Burl Ives ( a name I'm sure you've never heard-folk singer) lived on the next floor down.

It was Ca-li-fornia so that explains alot!!!

@ Copter: Actually I meant his commanding general.

at the video! I'm trying to see through the tears in my eyes as I type this. It actually works...

Thx Bandy.

Never underestimate the effect of a flare gun in the wrong place When I did my military service I sent a guy up on hill one night to fire a flare... Heard a bang and a scream but did not see the flare go up. Then the whole hill lit up. When we got there we realized he had shot himself in the leg with the flare gun while holding it against the knee to be able to cock it with his frozen fingers, and then "slipped" the hammer before locking it and off the gun went. Nasty business - the whole knee was messed up. They picked him up with a helicopter and we never saw him again...

When I was on active duty, a flare was considered good way to destroy an aircraft that had to be abandoned and I believe that was a pretty common way to "finish off" a crashlanded airplane in WWII. All metal aircraft.

Fairly confident that a flare would light off an airplane made out of canvas, wood, dope and a tank full of the modern equivalent of car fuel preeeeeeeeeeeeeeety easily !!!