It would definitely be great to have Bruce Greenwood back indeed.

http://airlockalpha.com/node/8837/star-trek-2-wont-have-nimoy-shatner.html

I would like to see a bunch of new series with Star Trek with the Rikers on the USS Luna, and Commander Calhoun on the USS Excalibur

http://www.amazon.com/Star-Trek-New-Fron...271&sr=1-17

some really good stuff out there for series if they would just do it.

tasha yar

Jessica Biel as Tasha Yar. Naked.

I didn't like Tasha Yar's hairstyle at all on TNG but she had a damn nice body.

Had a nice one, yes. Not for the last 15 years though!

I don't know if a new series based on any of the books would work or not.




The Jedi Master

As much as I try I cannot like the re-boot timeline JJ Adams Trek.

Me either. I give him all the credit he's due for getting the franchise out of the mid 90s where it had been stuck, but the story and reliance on action just don't do anything for me.

It's to be expected that some fans won't like the new creative direction that JJ has taken with the Trek franchise. In fact, it always happens whenever any long established franchise has major changes done to it.

One thing that is beyond doubt though is that movie audiences responded very positively to the JJ film unlike how they reacted to the last two TNG films and the tv show Enterprise.

Diane Kruger....

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1208167/

vs Denise Crosby...
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000344/

I didn't find anything particularly wrong with the JJ Abrams Trek (well, maybe everyone instantly going from cadets to command-level positions, but that's minor), it was just kind of bland.

The only thing I found wrong with it (aside from the time travelling and the ultra-fast promotions, but you gotta get the actors into place I suppose...) was the whole concept of the uber-adversary.

Really tired of that, it underplays the capabilities/responsiblity/wonder/awe of the Enterprise and man in general (future accomplishments) and really, just makes the story boring: David vs Goliath - defeat by some clever trick. Yawn, wake me up when its over.

The best ST is after all Wrath of Kahn: evenly matched chess game made for a GREAT movie.

But you know when the first shot has the enterprise looking like a mosquito you gotta wonder why go to all the trouble of having the Big E be a capital ship at all? Just pop the 6 main characters in some sort of skip-about flyer or something and fling them at the story.

If you're referring to the opening shot of the film, that wasn't the Enterprise but another Federation ship, the Kelvin.

As for the fast promotions, remember that a large portion of Starfleet was wiped out in the battle against Nero. The battle the Enterprise just missed.

Right, so essentially the Battle of Wolf 359 happened at Vulcan 100 years early. Nero's ship was essentially like fighting a Borg ship to the tech of the time it went back to.
On the plus side, Nero himself was uber-nothing. He was just a Romulan, and not even a military one, just a normal guy who tried to take his revenge on one man that wound up the most powerful in the galaxy due to a quirk of fate (being sucked into a black hole and living but traveling to the past).

As for the David vs Goliath thing, that's a regular story trope. If the Enterprise was the big badass, what's the danger? What's the threat? On ST you have 2 ways of doing it: either the hero's ship is outclassed via technology, circumstance, or environment, or the ship itself is able to save the day BUT they're cut off from it somehow.

I mean, just look at the ST films:
ST:TMP - outclassed by V'ger
ST2 - matched with Reliant, outclassed by Khan's surprise move
ST3 - outmatched by Bird of Prey thanks to battle damage/under-crewed condition
ST4 - WHAT Enterprise?
ST5 - It's just a ferry, they only run from combat, the rest is on the surface
ST6 - outclassed by an invisible ship
ST7 - outclassed by a ship that has a way past its defenses
ST8 - outclassed by being thrown back in time by an ostensibly defeated enemy, weakening the ship
ST9 - outclassed by some species who we've never heard of before
ST10 - outclassed by super Romulan ship
ST11 - outclassed by super Romulan ship...hey, wait a minute!!



The Jedi Master

Indeed, you nailed it: that's exactly my point. I believe its way overdone at this point. But alas, 2011 wasn't exactly the year for "new" from Hollywood... actually come to think of it, the past few years have been pretty tedious.

But as for danger, you can have danger from a lot of angles: there are plenty of good stories (including in ST itself) where the decisions and actions of the protagonists themselves are gut-wrenching and dramatic. Tit for tat interchange of clever antagonists, or soul searching hard choices affecting others who rely on the protagonists as protectors and heros, etc etc etc. No Dues Ex Machina or gods to overcome. There's outmatched and then there's flea vs the giant. The latter is as worn out as spandex clad gun toting superheroines. Hollywood has rode that horse to death.

Still, don't get me wrong - I loved the reboot. The film was well put together, and I love the cast and energy. If not the plot and pacing.


Fingers crossed for a great sequel.

And there's always Prometheus to look forward to

they shoulda made a voyager movie.... 7.... of.... 9.......

I doubt a ST movie with the Voyager crew would have done well at the box office.

I have to agree that it would have been a box office flop.


Wheels

Maybe if they'd made an adult version, called something like "Star Trek: Voyeur..."

They knew from the start neither DS9 or Voyager would go to films, hence both series had true finales. Unlike TNG, whose finale was no more than a great 2-parter that brought you back to the pilot full circle, but gave no impression of an actual "end".
Knowing that 1 more TNG film was planned post-Nemesis, and the likely length of Enterprise's run, my guess was the original plan was after that final TNG film circa 2005, they would've had an Enterprise film in 2008/9 right after its 7-year run concluded (like TNG's finale aired 6 months before Generations' release).

Of course, Nemesis failed to make money, the next film was dropped, and Enterprise got canned after 4 years shortly before UPN itself was canned and merged with the WB into the even-now-still-struggling CW.
I will say this...Nemesis didn't fail on its own merits. People just didn't go opening weekend, and the reviews were no worse than the previous film's, Insurrection, that made around $100m and was considered successful (albeit not as much as First Contact). It was the week BEFORE The Two Towers, so it wasn't direct competition with LOTR that killed it, although I'm sure it hurt its week 2+ earnings. But that first weekend there was really nothing keeping people away other than a simple lack of desire to see it. I liked it more than Insurrection myself, and certainly didn't think it was only 1/3 as good (as its numbers suggest).



The Jedi Master

I think the fundamental problem is that by the time of Enterprise and Nemesis, most of the casual ST/scifi fans had lost interest for whatever reason. The remaining hardcore fans weren't enough to either keep Enterprise on the air or for Nemesis to have a profitable box office run.

Timing-wise, Insurrection, DS9's finale, and Voyager's finale came pretty close together at the end of the 90s. It did feel like an era ended. Then we got Enterprise and it went were no one thought they'd go before, back 200 years. Before that, there seemed to be a split in the fan base about whether a 4th series in the TNG-era (after TNG DS9 and Voy) would be a good idea or whether to jump ahead another 100 years or so. There had been talk of an ST academy series set in the post-ST6 timeline, maybe Takei playing Capt Sulu, a couple of other ideas. Going back to pre-Federation times, though, was never even rumored.

I think it safe to say it wasn't a good idea. The appeal of getting rid of the ST pillars of technology (phasers, photon torpedoes transporters, universal translators, shields, etc) and starting before they were created didn't last long at all. Within I believe the first 2 seasons all of those devices were put into use. Aside from the ship being smaller and slower, it didn't seem that different from the original Enterprise's abilities anymore. Manny Coto saved the series from being a waste of time, but he couldn't save the ratings.



The Jedi Master

Ironically the highest rated episode of Enterprise was the one where they find the crashed borg drones, that were supposedly from the events of the "First Contact" movie.... hrmmm

Dunno about a Voyager version, but yea, there's been some "adult" versions already.

Yeah, and that was one of my least favorites. The concept was sound, but I think it just faltered in execution. Besides, how many times can they run into the Borg before Q introduces them to Picard and NOT have any records/memory of it?


The Jedi Master

I was just kiddin' around, with the references to Jeri Ryan and making kind of a play on words with Voyeur/Voyager. I'm not really advocating they make one like that, although I'm sure there have been "adult" movies made with a Star Trek theme.

there was a Star Trek spoof for the Porn Industry, w/ Either Jenna Haza or Nicole Sheridan... ( I think it was jenna haze).

dont even wanna try and google it as Im in office.







Going back in time altered the timeline? Maybe?


The Problem with Voyager is that the writers are blind to the fact that they didnt "End" the series in "Endgame" (Series Finale)

the last interview I read said that they ended the series with Voyager being in a Museum. Which is why it never got consideration for a movie (and we continued with the Enterprise E vs Species Conflict and Picard Clone.)

As the original Arrival Took 23 years and several Crew members Died on the way. When Voyager finally got home the ship was placed as a Museum and showcased. Surviving Members of the crew held re-unions.

But that was merely the opening 10 minutes of the Finale, The Writers forgot that they changed that ending 10 minutes into the Series Finale when Janeway went back to stop herself from destroying the Transwarp Hub.

Huh? How can the writers forget the finale? That's like saying Lucas forgot Vader dies at the end of ROTJ.



The Jedi Master

Hey man, next time use spoiler tags ok?

But are you sure that Vader actually dies at the end of ROTJ. I understand that in the next "iteration" of the movie when it comes out in 3D, Vader actually survives. He and Luke return to the Ewok planet and they all start singing Kumbuya as the credits start to roll.

Well, I can tell you're not a uber SW fan. You didn't remember it was called Endor!

Or that it's not a planet, it's a moon!



The Jedi Master

That's no moon. It's a space station!

I am sorry, but you are both mistaken. In George's latest "enhancement" to ROTJ, he had decided that a moon was not sufficient to handle the action and changed the moon to a planet. Also, he felt that because of the vital contributions of the Ewoks to dancing moves throughout the galaxy, that the newly designated planet be renamed the "Ewok planet". This caused cartographers throughout the galazy to scream out "NNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO" as they had to revise their maps once again.

That is my story, and I am sticking to it.

Jerry -

Furlings.

Wrong Sci-Fi universe

Same universe, different dimension or reality.

Same reality, same bat-time, same bat-channel.



The Jedi Master

All Bats, All the Time.

Ah yes, the "all new" military channel.



The Jedi Master

Thats the tribble with troubles