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#3479117 - 12/22/11 09:37 AM Re: R/C Helicopters: What Next? [Re: HitchHikingFlatlander]
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I ask cuz at a price of less than $100 you're pretty much limiting yourself to micro coaxial helis.


I'm pretty sure if you were to call Kondor Model Products, they'd sell you one of their CP-400's at or below cost. He's trying to get rid of them. They are a great little copter though.
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#3479332 - 12/22/11 02:48 PM Re: R/C Helicopters: What Next? [Re: Paul Morrison]
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Originally Posted By: Paul Morrison
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I ask cuz at a price of less than $100 you're pretty much limiting yourself to micro coaxial helis.


I'm pretty sure if you were to call Kondor Model Products, they'd sell you one of their CP-400's at or below cost. He's trying to get rid of them. They are a great little copter though.


I don't mean to be Mr Negative but this has red flag written all over it!! Who makes this thing?? What all is included in the kit?? What isn't included, but necessary for flight?? Is it RTF or BNF?? Is it 3 channel?? Is assembly required?? No user reviews in 6 years?? Dealer is trying to "get rid of them" - why?? Does anyone else sell the CP 400, etc, etc, etc.....

My guess is even if it was sold below cost, by the time you get this thing in the air the total cost won't be below $100, and even if it is I'd say proceed with caution. I've foolishly bought helicopters from dealers who were getting rid of stock and in every case, once they had my money they didn't care one lick about me....and finding replacement parts became a royal chore!!

I'm not suggesting KMP can't be trusted, but unless money isn't an issue, approach this deal with caution....
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#3479442 - 12/22/11 05:36 PM Re: R/C Helicopters: What Next? [Re: HitchHikingFlatlander]
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There are technically, some good Helos under $100 depending on what level of flyer you are. But with a little searching you can find local suppliers on the Web whom you can order from who supply the very same products you pay more for at the B&M Hobby Shop in the local Mall. If you are an enthusiast you can buy everything you need and build the kit version a lot cheaper than the RTF Combo at the Store.
I'm quite enjoying the micro 4 Channel I got from the local store but I find I could have ordered it cheaper even with 3-day shipping if I had just waited. In fact I think the company was located in California, jus sayin.
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#3479867 - 12/23/11 09:30 AM Re: R/C Helicopters: What Next? [Re: HitchHikingFlatlander]
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I don't mean to be Mr Negative but this has red flag written all over it!! Who makes this thing?? What all is included in the kit?? What isn't included, but necessary for flight?? Is it RTF or BNF?? Is it 3 channel?? Is assembly required?? No user reviews in 6 years?? Dealer is trying to "get rid of them" - why?? Does anyone else sell the CP 400, etc, etc, etc.....

My guess is even if it was sold below cost, by the time you get this thing in the air the total cost won't be below $100, and even if it is I'd say proceed with caution. I've foolishly bought helicopters from dealers who were getting rid of stock and in every case, once they had my money they didn't care one lick about me....and finding replacement parts became a royal chore!!

I'm not suggesting KMP can't be trusted, but unless money isn't an issue, approach this deal with caution....


I used to work for them, so I know the product very well.

The reason he's trying to move them is simply because he's had them a long time. KMP is known for high end ARFs and so people don't usually come to KMP looking for copters.

Its a 4 channel, comes assembled, but servos, gyro receiver and radio need to be added (he has all of that and will bundle it). He also has belt drive kits, which make it much better. The body parts are aluminum or carbon fiber (much of the frame is carbon fiber). A few parts are polymer. He has enough parts on hand to make 20 or thirty more copters. Comes in a nice hard carry case. I've personally sold a few dozen of them (when I worked for Kondor), and I had maybe 2 issues in that time from customers. One had a broken case on arrival by bad shipping. The other we had a shipping issue with some spare parts after he crashed it that eventually got sorted out.

Instruction manual is here: http://www.kmp.ca/images/instructions/tornado_instructions.pdf

They are a good deal for the price, and KMP has good customer service (I know, I ran it for two years). Not a fly by night operation that will say 'screw you' after you buy it like some places.

I have no idea why no one has reviewed it on the website, but considering there have only been 4 reviews on the website since I built it, despite tens of thousands in sales, I think you can't hold that against it.
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#3500601 - 01/21/12 06:49 PM Re: R/C Helicopters: What Next? [Re: HitchHikingFlatlander]
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Hi,

Quite interested in the Revell Proto Max, but it seems to be USA only... not listed on the Revell Germany site as far as I can see.

Can anyone either suggest somewhere in europe (I'm in the UK) where I could get one, or failing that something similar that's available over here? I'd like something I can fly indoors but thats a bit more complex than the IR toys Amazon are pushing...

Thanks
Graham

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#3500955 - 01/22/12 11:40 AM Re: R/C Helicopters: What Next? [Re: VFRHawk]
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Originally Posted By: VFRHawk
Hi,

Quite interested in the Revell Proto Max, but it seems to be USA only... not listed on the Revell Germany site as far as I can see.

Can anyone either suggest somewhere in europe (I'm in the UK) where I could get one, or failing that something similar that's available over here? I'd like something I can fly indoors but thats a bit more complex than the IR toys Amazon are pushing...

Thanks
Graham

this is the same Helo as the Revell Proto Max, from the original Mfg.
http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/__10998__S_Pro_FP_II_2_4Ghz_Micro_Heli_w_2_4Ghz_Tx_V2_.html
I've ordered from this site, they are cheap and they ship all over.
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#3501074 - 01/22/12 02:35 PM Re: R/C Helicopters: What Next? [Re: HitchHikingFlatlander]
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The Nine Eagles Solo Pro V2 landing skid is kinda crap. Snapped both the skids the first day. Also, the battery system was a surprise. I saw on the site it was a 3.7 120mAH battery so I figured it'd be like the batteries for my ultra-micros. The connection is different so I couldn't swap batteries and extend flying time. With the broken skids it was worthless anyway. Ended up getting rid of the skid/battery system and purchased the blade battery mount for the mSR X (BLH3204) and installed that. I snipped off the battery holder on those skids though, as it still wouldn't hold the other batteries. Opened up the front and found that there was a connector that would work with my batteries in there, it's just hooked up to the old skid system. I snipped that off and soldered that connection where the male connection was. Now I can swap out batteries with my UM's and the new skid system is much more resilient. Several drops and it's still intact.

I use the hook and loop system to hold the battery in place near the front.


Edited by NattyIced (01/22/12 02:35 PM)

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#3501111 - 01/22/12 03:45 PM Re: R/C Helicopters: What Next? [Re: NattyIced]
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Originally Posted By: NattyIced
The Nine Eagles Solo Pro V2 landing skid is kinda crap. Snapped both the skids the first day. Also, the battery system was a surprise. I saw on the site it was a 3.7 120mAH battery so I figured it'd be like the batteries for my ultra-micros. The connection is different so I couldn't swap batteries and extend flying time. With the broken skids it was worthless anyway. Ended up getting rid of the skid/battery system and purchased the blade battery mount for the mSR X (BLH3204) and installed that. I snipped off the battery holder on those skids though, as it still wouldn't hold the other batteries. Opened up the front and found that there was a connector that would work with my batteries in there, it's just hooked up to the old skid system. I snipped that off and soldered that connection where the male connection was. Now I can swap out batteries with my UM's and the new skid system is much more resilient. Several drops and it's still intact.

I use the hook and loop system to hold the battery in place near the front.


I have the Co-Axial but the landing skid battery holder hasn't been a problem it is as durable as the rest of the helo however, I did snap a flybar and had to purchase one from the local hobby shop. While they can take a little banging around they are still pretty fragile being as they are small light and have tiny parts i have a tiny screwdriver set (it comes with one but it's a little large) and already have had to make small adjustments to keep all the parts tight and it isn't easy when you need a magnifying glass to see what you are doing. As for batteries I had to make a guess as to which one would work and the 160mah lipos I ordered fit tight but they fit and the battery that my Proto came with and the ones I ordered all fit in the charger I ordered so I guess I lucked out, I plan on getting the NE Solo Pro Helo only and I can Bind it to the TX I already have.
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#3501285 - 01/22/12 07:00 PM Re: R/C Helicopters: What Next? [Re: KRT_Bong]
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Originally Posted By: KRT_Bong
Originally Posted By: VFRHawk
Hi,

Quite interested in the Revell Proto Max, but it seems to be USA only... not listed on the Revell Germany site as far as I can see.

Can anyone either suggest somewhere in europe (I'm in the UK) where I could get one, or failing that something similar that's available over here? I'd like something I can fly indoors but thats a bit more complex than the IR toys Amazon are pushing...

Thanks
Graham

this is the same Helo as the Revell Proto Max, from the original Mfg.
http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/__10998__S_Pro_FP_II_2_4Ghz_Micro_Heli_w_2_4Ghz_Tx_V2_.html
I've ordered from this site, they are cheap and they ship all over.


Unfortunately, they're out of stock at the moment, and it specifies they aren't allowed to ship that product to the UK at the bottom of the page, more's the pity!

So anyone in the US fancy buying one for me and a few spare batteries and sending it over to me? :-)

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#3501820 - 01/23/12 02:53 PM Re: R/C Helicopters: What Next? [Re: VFRHawk]
KRT_Bong Offline
It's KRT not Kurt
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Originally Posted By: VFRHawk
Originally Posted By: KRT_Bong
Originally Posted By: VFRHawk
Hi,

Quite interested in the Revell Proto Max, but it seems to be USA only... not listed on the Revell Germany site as far as I can see.

Can anyone either suggest somewhere in europe (I'm in the UK) where I could get one, or failing that something similar that's available over here? I'd like something I can fly indoors but thats a bit more complex than the IR toys Amazon are pushing...

Thanks
Graham

this is the same Helo as the Revell Proto Max, from the original Mfg.
http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/__10998__S_Pro_FP_II_2_4Ghz_Micro_Heli_w_2_4Ghz_Tx_V2_.html
I've ordered from this site, they are cheap and they ship all over.


Unfortunately, they're out of stock at the moment, and it specifies they aren't allowed to ship that product to the UK at the bottom of the page, more's the pity!

So anyone in the US fancy buying one for me and a few spare batteries and sending it over to me? :-)


Wow really, I wonder why? they have Warehouses in a few places around the world, that is odd and I got mine delivered from Hong Kong to USA in about 10 days.
There should be a place on the sidebar to order from Europe, they have a warehouse in Germany.


Edited by KRT_Bong (01/23/12 03:37 PM)
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