pretty cool infor for those like me getting a little tired of the military FPS...

http://www.gamespot.com/video/fps-genre-fatigue-6347058?tag=topslot;img;1

Nice vid agree with some of it, COD4 was the last COD I bought because of it... hoping BF series doesn't keep sliding the same direction...

Still I am looking forward to Arma3 so I guess I haven't had enough.

Yeah Cod is same old crap.
Now if they'd make a CoD:War of 1812 I might just buy it

LOL, that's why I haven't bought any since CoD4 and World at War either. I got THOSE on a big Steam sale, too, so I didn't pay much. I've not bought any CoDs since, haven't bought MoH since Airborne, and haven't bought a BF game since BF Vietnam!!

Other than staying current on my Arma2 stuff, I think the only series I've bought all of have been the Clancy Splinter Cell, GR, and R6 games. That said, GRAW2, R6 Vegas 2, and Conviction were probably my least favorite of each series. However, I have most of them in Steam so I can go back and replay Raven Shield or Chaos Theory or GR+expansions at any time. I often find replaying the old ones more enjoyable than the new ones.
I played OFP:DR, but this Black Friday RR was only $12 and I thought that too high. I paid $5 for DR and that was about what it was worth, so I'll get RR when it drops to $5.

Now in non-military FPS, there are some great ones out there. Deus Ex HR (called an RPG, but it's so FPS-like I think of it like one as opposed to the Mass Effect/KOTOR-style RPGs I usually play) is great. Serious Sam 3: BFE is great.



The Jedi Master

Good video. Its also the reason I did NOT buy either the latest COD or BF3. Its why I am interested in the next Far Cry3.

(found FC2 on sale........playing it now....DIFFERENT that's for sure!)

I agree they are far too linear in style and need a more open-world, dynamic style to keep interest. Can anybody say "Ghost Recon?"

Nice touch that vid!...

I long the days of VBS2, when a shooter was not desiged to be sold to masses of teens, but the primary intent was to simulate realisticaly and stimulate!...

Moreover, the software is half of the dimension. Then, when you tackle the MP, gamers are another dimension of that construct!...It is certainly a difficult balance to strike between the right game and the right players where you would feel at the right place!....A life quest, if it is worth to make it a quest!

So my questions are : fatigue from the genra alone?...Or fatigue from the game/gamers dynamic?...Because, if it is about fatigue from the game/gamers dynamic, lets take a second look at that vid and see what they are really saying about the gamers!

I'm just sick and tired of how all FPS's now are marketed entirely to a lowest common denominator american audience. I'd gladly trade COD, MOH, Homefront, X-COM etc for more STALKER-type games.

There won't be any more STALKERS it seems, anyway.



The Jedi Master

Yeah and ain't that a shame?

how to avoid it: don't buy every piece of crap fps that comes out. it's not rocket science.

last "shooter" i bought was red orchestra 2, and before that, arma 2. battlefield? call of duty? f that.

It's interesting to see some of the recommendations they make, but I simply cannot believe them.

For example, players really want to 'come to terms with the psychological aftermath of war'? I doubt it.

I have felt physically sick from playing ArmA 2, modded with SLX gore, before. From about 600 meters away I shot an enemy soldier with a .50 cal sniper rifle. I missed center mass due to improper windage, and I watched in my scope as his arm was torn off his body with a misty spray of blood. He fell face down, squirming, as another soldier ran over and started desperately trying to drag him into cover, while the rest of the group ran to hard cover and started blindly scanning for me (there's your smart AI, if that's what you want). I coolly adjusted my windage and hit the second man square in the chest, where I saw a dark hole appear before he fell backwards in a heap with a splurt of red. I lined up to knock out his injured comrade, realized that I was being hit by a wave of nausea, and quit out of the game. Some of my friends I play ArmA with IRL have felt similarly playing with the same setup, so it's not just that I'm a 'baby.'

I don't play with SLX's gore component turned on anymore, because it isn't fun. I'm not desensitized to stuff like that, video game or not. On the other hand, I can play other shooters and explode enemy soldiers into cartoonish chunks all day without the slightest psychological effect.

Action shooters like Battlefield 3 and Modern Warfare aren't 'realistic' because very few people actually want a 'realistic' shooter game. What most want is 'authenticity': carefully detailed M4 models, the latest weapons, some semblance of bullet drop, those sorts of graphics and mechanics. Modern games provide those in spades, at varying levels of detail, fitting the needs of players ranging from the Battlefielders to ArmA fools like myself. I've made 'realistic' scenarios for ArmA 2, but I've never sent them off for potential inclusion on the SimHQ server, because few people indeed enjoy many of the gameplay outcomes of that type of mission design -- such as sitting in a HMMWV for 25 minutes, riding around with no enemy contact, only to die instantly and pointlessly to a buried IED. Alternately, ride around for 30 minutes, make enemy contact. Dismount and exchange fire with an enemy 900+ meters away using a 5.56mm rifle with a maximum effective range of maybe 400-500m. You have a red dot sight (or maybe irons, if you are unlucky) and no magic zoom. After a 30+ minute firefight where you have no idea if you have accomplished anything other than shooting at specks, CAS arrives and drops a bomb on them.

We had one real mission on the server (Magnum can attest to this one) where our APC convoy moved out of its base, and about five minutes into the field, a Hind that had approached us nap-of-the-earth appeared out of nowhere and slaughtered us with a full rocket/guns salvo. I retuned that mission and nerfed the Hind, because that wasn't much fun.

If that's the type of game/single player campaign you really want and enjoy, I wouldn't expect anyone to make it -- better get friendly with the ArmA 2/VBS2 mission making interface.

Wall of text, but I hope it adds some complexity to this type of thinking.

Haha. I'll only buy it if we can burn down the white house again when playing as British/Canadians .

Cheers,

Fafnir_6