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#3468445 - 12/05/11 08:47 PM Skyrim is broken is will never get fixed......NEVER !!!  
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http://www.gamersmint.com/ps3-skyrim-lag-problems-unlikely-to-be-solved-dev-comments

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It appears the memory and lag problems that many PS3 users whove played Skyrim for a prolonged period of time are unlikely to get a permanent solution. This can be deduced after reading through a developers clarification whos worked on New Vegas explaining the problem.

For the uninitiated, Fallout: New Vegas- another title produced by Bethesda suffered from the same framerate drops and lag issues as their newest title The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim is.

Answering a question from a user whos faced a similar lag problem in New Vegas after his save file went up to 14 megs, the developer said that its a major problem, especially on the PS3, offering the following explanation.

That can easily be a big problem, especially if youre on the PS3. The longer you play a character, the more bit differences on objects (characters, pencils on tables, containers, etc.) get saved off and carried around in memory. I think weve seen save games that are pushing 19 megs, which can be really crippling in some areas.

Since youre a developer, you should understand the implication of what I wrote. Its an engine-level issue with how the save game data is stored off as bit flag differences compared to the placed instances in the main .esm + DLC .esms. As the game modifies any placed instance of an object, those changes are stored off into what is essentially another .esm. When you load the save game, youre loading all of those differences into resident memory.

Its not like someone wrote a function and put a decimal point in the wrong place or declared something as a float when it should have been an int. Were talking about how the engine fundamentally saves off and references data at run time. Restructuring how that works would require a large time commitment. Obsidian also only had that engine for a total of 18 months prior to F:NV being released, which is a relatively short time to understand all of the details of how the technology works.

He further confirmed that these problems are only common with PS3 users as the console has a divided memory pool.

As with Fallout 3 and Skyrim, the problems are most pronounced on the PS3 because the PS3 has a divided memory pool.

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#3468486 - 12/05/11 10:02 PM Re: Skyrim is broken is will never get fixed......NEVER !!! [Re: Blade_RJ]  
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#3468497 - 12/05/11 10:11 PM Re: Skyrim is broken is will never get fixed......NEVER !!! [Re: Blade_RJ]  
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#3468504 - 12/05/11 10:21 PM Re: Skyrim is broken is will never get fixed......NEVER !!! [Re: Blade_RJ]  
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#3468526 - 12/05/11 10:59 PM Re: Skyrim is broken is will never get fixed......NEVER !!! [Re: Blade_RJ]  
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it affects all plataforms, more so on ps3.

#3468531 - 12/05/11 11:07 PM Re: Skyrim is broken is will never get fixed......NEVER !!! [Re: Blade_RJ]  
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Originally Posted By: Blade_RJ
it affects all plataforms, more so on ps3.


From your own article...

"He further confirmed that these problems are only common with PS3 users as the console has a divided memory pool"

Also, Runs fine on my PC....Quit trying to get a rise out of people.

#3468536 - 12/05/11 11:12 PM Re: Skyrim is broken is will never get fixed......NEVER !!! [Re: Blade_RJ]  
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Runs fine on my PC. Big boy games like Skyrim should never have been made console anyway.


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#3468556 - 12/05/11 11:45 PM Re: Skyrim is broken is will never get fixed......NEVER !!! [Re: Section_Eight]  
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Originally Posted By: Section_Eight
Originally Posted By: Blade_RJ
it affects all plataforms, more so on ps3.


From your own article...

"He further confirmed that these problems are only common with PS3 users as the console has a divided memory pool"

Also, Runs fine on my PC....Quit trying to get a rise out of people.


all plataforms, he said common as in repetition,not exclusivity, it can and does happen on xbox360 tough there is a fix around, and it could happen on pc if you guys are really putting that mny hours to it, but i doubt it, i dont think we will see a savegame that big to affect pc,i have lots of junk at the house problably more then 200 itens in the same room,with no performance hit.

and get a rise out of people ? meeeeeeee ? what tiped you off,dang i knew i should not use caps in the title.

#3468599 - 12/06/11 01:32 AM Re: Skyrim is broken is will never get fixed......NEVER !!! [Re: Blade_RJ]  
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Agree with blade on this. Bethesda should be ashamed for continuing to allow such sloppy execution to mar th eir amazing games.
Can't make it work properly on PS3? Then dont release it on that platform and dupe people out of their money! They need to get their asses sued for knowlingly releasing such a broken product, at least oc PS3, if indeed it cant be fixed.


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#3468601 - 12/06/11 01:38 AM Re: Skyrim is broken is will never get fixed......NEVER !!! [Re: Mace71]  
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Originally Posted By: MaceUK33
Runs fine on my PC. Big boy games like Skyrim should never have been made console anyway.


Would that this were true. This "big boy game" was built from the ground up with console limitations in mind, which explains the mediocre (at least for a triple A 2011 title) graphics, clunky UI, and general lack of optimizaion for the hardware capabilities of todays computers (i.e., nonative usage of 4gb). Unlike BF3, The PC got no love at all. Big boy gameworld and ideas, console kiddie tech. And i dont say this as a hater, b/c Oblivion is one of my favorite games. I was ready to love Skyrim.


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#3468623 - 12/06/11 02:31 AM Re: Skyrim is broken is will never get fixed......NEVER !!! [Re: Blade_RJ]  
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Right in our own backyards, people get murdered, raped, looted. Abused and mutilated. People do drugs, hate, spread prejudice and lies. The world has many problems. DON'T GET WORKED UP OVER A CODING ISSUE IN A VIDEO GAME. There are better things to fight against and get angry over. Bethesda doesn't need to be ashamed over making a product a lot of people enjoy. The guys who invented things like parachute pants and medieval iron maidens should be ashamed.

If we took all the anger, hate, and annoyance on the internet and used it to fuel spacecraft we could have made it to Kepler-22B yesterday. deadhorse

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#3468687 - 12/06/11 05:21 AM Re: Skyrim is broken is will never get fixed......NEVER !!! [Re: Blade_RJ]  
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OH they do, i read they couldnt code ladders into their engine, so there are none in their games, i laught and point at them.

#3468866 - 12/06/11 03:40 PM Re: Skyrim is broken is will never get fixed......NEVER !!! [Re: Blade_RJ]  
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I think Bethsoft's problem is they rely too much on the modding community to fix their f-ups. Look at every single game based on the Gamebryo engine; they all have community patches made by 3rd-parties that fix well known, reproducable bugs in every one of their games; yet Bethsoft releases DLC instead...Then you go on their forums and you're lucky if you actually see a dev comment on ANYTHING (usually it's just some moderator giving out a warning for cussing Bethsoft out lol). Then they give these little "updates" on the progress of the patches and DLC and still common bugs are not even addressed or mentioned.

And this is only for the PC, what about the console players that are still stuck with some of these game-breaking bugs and they can't just DL a mod to fix them?

If/when the modding community gets fed up and stops fixing THEIR games they will stop PC support altogether and go strictly consoles (no surprise really)



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Originally Posted By: Peally
Right in our own backyards, people get murdered, raped, looted. Abused and mutilated. People do drugs, hate, spread prejudice and lies. The world has many problems. DON'T GET WORKED UP OVER A CODING ISSUE IN A VIDEO GAME. There are better things to fight against and get angry over. Bethesda doesn't need to be ashamed over making a product a lot of people enjoy. The guys who invented things like parachute pants and medieval iron maidens should be ashamed.

If we took all the anger, hate, and annoyance on the internet and used it to fuel spacecraft we could have made it to Kepler-22B yesterday. deadhorse

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I think we realize there are a lot worse problems in the world...in fact one of mine is limited expendable income. So after saving some extra money to buy a $60 game (which is about the same I spend on groceries when I go to the market); I expect it to freaking work, and not have tons of problems and bugs that are obvious, and have to rely on a modders to fix it for free on their free time.

If we wanted to talk about murders, rape, robberies, etc. then we go to the PWEC forum, but as it stands we're talking about Bethesda and Skyrim...so why the off-topic rant?



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#3468887 - 12/06/11 04:06 PM Re: Skyrim is broken is will never get fixed......NEVER !!! [Re: Peally]  
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Originally Posted By: Peally
Right in our own backyards, people get murdered, raped, looted. Abused and mutilated. People do drugs, hate, spread prejudice and lies. The world has many problems. DON'T GET WORKED UP OVER A CODING ISSUE IN A VIDEO GAME. There are better things to fight against and get angry over. Bethesda doesn't need to be ashamed over making a product a lot of people enjoy. The guys who invented things like parachute pants and medieval iron maidens should be ashamed.

If we took all the anger, hate, and annoyance on the internet and used it to fuel spacecraft we could have made it to Kepler-22B yesterday. deadhorse

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Well, by that logic, SimHQ really holds no relevance for you because most threads here are about video games, and not the problems of the world. Maybe you should find another place to post, or stick to the WCE forum?


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#3468906 - 12/06/11 04:27 PM Re: Skyrim is broken is will never get fixed......NEVER !!! [Re: Blade_RJ]  
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Originally Posted By: SkateZilla
The solution is to stay away from the PS3

Actually it would be not to buy any more Bethsoft products until they change their "ways"; but I think yours is definitely more realistic biggrin



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#3469025 - 12/06/11 07:30 PM Re: Skyrim is broken is will never get fixed......NEVER !!! [Re: No Name]  
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Originally Posted By: peppergomez
Well, by that logic, Simhq really holds no relevance for you because most threads here are about video games, and not the problems of the world. Maybe you should find another place to post, or stick to the WCE forum?


Au contraire mon frre! I enjoy SimHQ for its member's intelligence, a feature which due to what can only be human nature (or Sasquatch) happens to be incredibly rare on the internet. Perhaps I came on heavier than I intended, but it's not a big deal if software doesn't work out of the box when consumers have free will. Most things either get fixed over time or fall by the wayside. Even if someone buys something they end up not liking, there's always eBay to make a buck back from. The complaining just gets really old. I apologize if my opinions offended anyone, but that's life!


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New Bethesda update on their Blog:

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Updated 12/6: While the 1.2 update fixed the long-term play issues for most PS3 users, we are aware that is not the case for some. Weve been reaching out to a number of those users to collect save games, so we can take a look at their specific issues. Right now we know its not one thing, but a combination of smaller ones that some folks are seeing, but others are not. Some seem to be the PS3 autosaving in the background (you can turn that off), some may be SPU AI updates, and some may relate to dynamic system memory allocation. These fixes are not in the current 1.3 update that is in final testing, but will be in future ones. We understand how frustrating it can be when your game is having issues, and we thank all of you for your continued feedback and patience. Rest assured we take your gameplay experience seriously and will continue working on this until its resolved

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So glancing over this thread, it's not broken, like the OP states, but merely suffering from a bug? If it were broken, you couldn't finish the game... it'd stop working before the end. Does it do that?

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