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#3462236 - 11/26/11 04:38 AM Review: Janes Advanced Strike Fighters  
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How does the latest title in the Jane's lineup compare to the glory years?
Hint: This one has a "health information bar".

Review by Chuck "PFunk" Bellows

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#3462277 - 11/26/11 07:44 AM Re: Review: Janes Advanced Strike Fighters [Re: citizen guod]  
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Good god....I thought this was a joke. Definitely not a "Janes" title from yesteryear............


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#3462354 - 11/26/11 12:52 PM Re: Review: Janes Advanced Strike Fighters [Re: citizen guod]  
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Tell us how you really feel PFunk lmao biggrin

#3462399 - 11/26/11 02:15 PM Re: Review: Janes Advanced Strike Fighters [Re: citizen guod]  
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This was a great review, PFunk. I'm not going to spend money on a Jane's title anytime soon.

I do love your comparisons! Keep articles like this coming. They are a great read, even if the game is no good.

Thanks!


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#3462452 - 11/26/11 04:27 PM Re: Review: Janes Advanced Strike Fighters [Re: citizen guod]  
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Who is "Evolved Games" and how did they get the rights to use the Jane's name? Does "Jane's Information Group" have any say about their name being used on this crap?


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#3462455 - 11/26/11 04:32 PM Re: Review: Janes Advanced Strike Fighters [Re: citizen guod]  
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you were alot nicer to that title than i would have been.


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#3462504 - 11/26/11 06:07 PM Re: Review: Janes Advanced Strike Fighters [Re: citizen guod]  
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Wags must be laughing his ass off...or crying about an old love.

#3462546 - 11/26/11 07:32 PM Re: Review: Janes Advanced Strike Fighters [Re: citizen guod]  
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Good review Chuck.

Ah, the 'Janes' name, so many memories - this game is like how Disney could do their 'Hall of Presidents' attraction if they dug up and animated the actual corpses.

#3462555 - 11/26/11 07:55 PM Re: Review: Janes Advanced Strike Fighters [Re: enigma6584]  
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Originally Posted By: enigma6584
Wags must be laughing his ass off...or crying about an old love.


Wags is kicking butt and taking names at DCS. He's created a better product than anything EA Origin could have ever envisioned.

I just bought A-10C and I cannot believe how comprehensive it is.


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#3462726 - 11/27/11 12:05 AM Re: Review: Janes Advanced Strike Fighters [Re: citizen guod]  
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my memories... early 1997, blue jeans manual cover... oh noes! mad

edit: Strike Fighters 2 maps are 16 times those of Janes' actually (1000x1000 km vs 256x256 km)
anyway another good review... I wish (cough, cough) someone else used that terrain engine for their newest title

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#3463108 - 11/27/11 06:35 PM Re: Review: Janes Advanced Strike Fighters [Re: citizen guod]  
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#3463170 - 11/27/11 08:39 PM Re: Review: Janes Advanced Strike Fighters [Re: citizen guod]  
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I'm glad I read your review, Chuck. Disappointing to hear something with a "Janes" stamp on it can be so bad.


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#3463193 - 11/27/11 09:22 PM Re: Review: Janes Advanced Strike Fighters [Re: citizen guod]  
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Gotta agree totally,

Grew up on Jane's Longbow and LB2,USAF,F-18,F-15,USNF97.This crap doesn't even come close.It was a sin to even use the title "Jane's".Only serious sims are attributed to this name.This sequel is a complete joke.Although the first Advanced Tactical Fighters and USNF were not total simulations in the sense.They were much better then this junk.

So many games are coming out these days that try to capitalize on some classic gem by using the name but they can't even obtain a fraction of the glory.They are better off leaving the names of those titles alone.They are not worthy and they can't fool us.

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#3463345 - 11/28/11 01:57 AM Re: Review: Janes Advanced Strike Fighters [Re: citizen guod]  
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It seems like the era of the PC-based air combat simulator is pretty much over (still)

Its really too bad, with native Windows support for multiple monitors and so on, I was hoping we would see some flight sims taking advantage of it. (Asides the MS Flight Sim, X Plane and Aces High II....only ones that come to mind. Perhaps Falcon does?)

I really miss the days of games like US Navy Fighters and the sort, where you could have multiplayer fun with many different aircraft types.

#3463529 - 11/28/11 12:23 PM Re: Review: Janes Advanced Strike Fighters [Re: PaulB]  
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Originally Posted By: PaulB
It seems like the era of the PC-based air combat simulator is pretty much over (still)


It's hardly over. smile

#3463713 - 11/28/11 06:28 PM Re: Review: Janes Advanced Strike Fighters [Re: PaulB]  
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Originally Posted By: PaulB
It seems like the era of the PC-based air combat simulator is pretty much over (still)


Lol, have you checked out DCS A10? Or Black Shark? Heck, the Lock On Flaming Cliffs do a pretty decent job. Then there's Rise of Flight, IL-series, etc... the oldies such as EECH, Jane's F/A-18, and Falcon 4 BMS are still around as well.


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#3463950 - 11/28/11 11:53 PM Re: Review: Janes Advanced Strike Fighters [Re: citizen guod]  
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You've named Lock-On/Black Shark/DCS....largely all from the same producer. Rise of Flight...then games that have been out of 5 years or way more. Like I said, where is the new stuff? By all means, point it out to me.

#3463963 - 11/29/11 12:17 AM Re: Review: Janes Advanced Strike Fighters [Re: citizen guod]  
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While there can be little doubt that the simulation market has by and large stagnated since the late 1990s while the rest of the computer game market grew by several hundred percent, thus marginalizing the genre, it seems to be equally true that the market is still large enough to allow for two larger and a number of smaller teams.
It's not all doom and gloom.
But an inevitable consequence is that there are fewer direct competitors, that there are fewer releases. Also, keep in mind that generally game engines have matured over the past decade to the point where they now live much longer - this is a technology-induced factor to slow down the overall, directly observable pace of development. But as long as there is some money to be made on the PC platform, flight simulations are not going to die out.


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#3464057 - 11/29/11 03:39 AM Re: Review: Janes Advanced Strike Fighters [Re: PaulB]  
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Originally Posted By: PaulB
You've named Lock-On/Black Shark/DCS....largely all from the same producer. Rise of Flight...then games that have been out of 5 years or way more. Like I said, where is the new stuff? By all means, point it out to me.



I'm guessing you didn't follow the link in my post. There's an upgrade coming to bring Lock On to DCS standards, which will be amazing. There's a new map coming out for the whole DCS series. A new fast mover sim also part of the DCS series as well as a WWII vintage sim game. Sure it's all from ED/TFC but who cares? They make by far the best sims on the market today, the rest are all arcade-ish. A2A makes some phenomenal stuff too, but of course that's not really combat sim as much as it's a flight sim.

You don't need ten producers when one is doing the best work. But you seem too negative about the whole thing anyway, so whatever. DCS is what's new but you don't seem impressed, so not sure what to tell you.

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Originally Posted By: PaulB
You've named Lock-On/Black Shark/DCS....largely all from the same producer. Rise of Flight...then games that have been out of 5 years or way more. Like I said, where is the new stuff? By all means, point it out to me.



There's been a couple more, so it's not that bad:

- Take On Helicopters is a new flightsim from the makers of ARMA (has combat helos in it, kinda). http://takeonthegame.com/

- IL2 Cliffs of Dover was a new release back in April, even if it wasn't as good as it's long gestation period would suggest. http://store.steampowered.com/app/63950

- Microsoft is re-writing and updating FSX to their new 'Microsoft Flight' franchise. http://www.microsoft.com/games/flight/

- X-Plane 10 is quite a big update. http://www.x-plane.com/desktop/

- Falcon BMS is almost like a completely new game. http://www.simhq.com/_air14/air_507a.html

- Gaijin should release next year their air combat MMO World of Planes. http://www.worldofplanesgame.com/en/game/

PS I know you said 'combat flight sim' but I widened the search a bit smile

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