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Originally Posted By: 2Lt_Joch
yes, F-14 sim.
I see the clouds are from the SF2 stock game, i.e. "clear" weather setting.
I thought the new sim was also supposed to bring improvements to the graphic engine?
It is, but TK's told us that we're not going to see a massive change. The tileset (I'm told) will be much like the same resolution as the existing stock tilesets.
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We've also been told that naval combat isn't fully implemented, but, it'll be interesting to see if those naval electonic warfare aircraft do anything substantive.
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Originally Posted By: PFunk
We've also been told that naval combat isn't fully implemented, but, it'll be interesting to see if those naval electonic warfare aircraft do anything substantive.
I can't imagine a flight of Tu-22M carrying that kind of ASW hardware just to take out a lone cargo ship. Fully implemented or not, I think we are at least going to see more Naval vessels, and some that can shoot back with SAMs.
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Gorgeous plane. Hope we get this one soon.
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Raises several questions regarding game set up. Will CAP station positioning be realistically incorporated in game set up? Will player be able to shift CAP station positions depending on location / Threat Axis? Will E-2 Hawkeye be included and will it provide threat info and vectors to fighters ? If Answers are "NO" this is just same great game with new terrain and aircraft.
Yeap, the destroyer is a Spruance-Class and the other "carrier" (the farther one) is an Amphibious assault ship (LHA) but I'm not sure which class it is.
Well you can always use F-14 to do some mud moving, he has a gun and can carry dumb bombs :-p and not forget to do some recon using Tarps pod. BTW I wonder if early Tomcats hud had ccip mode...
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Do we know the timeline this is going to be? I'm guessing anywhere between 75 to 79 but I'd love it if it was more 85/86 because we would have some f/a18's for mud moving instead of the sluf
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Yes somewhere in 70s so no bugs and I dont think so that TK will ever do F/a-18, its too complicated in avionics area. This series is 'lite sim' not study or button game.
Notice that TK chose early Tomcat so even without TCS, only pure air-air (almost), no MFDs, kinda primitive HUD, and etc. I bet that radar suit in new new game will be just reskinned F-15 avionics, maybe he will add capabilities to tracking 24 targets in TWS and shoot 6 Phoenix to them but thats all. Now step from this to Hornet where you have A-A and A-G capabilities, few MFDs, plenty of usable radar modes etc. If Im not mistaken TK cut A-6 from SF2V because he hadn't resources to do Diane system...
Wow! It's freakin fantastic shots! I guess that answers the questions about F/A-18 being included, also guess that means a latter era Tomcat too? Anyway, gonna defintely get this once released.
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Originally Posted By: Fulcrum85
Notice that TK chose early Tomcat so even without TCS, only pure air-air (almost), no MFDs, kinda primitive HUD, and etc. I bet that radar suit in new new game will be just reskinned F-15 avionics, maybe he will add capabilities to tracking 24 targets in TWS and shoot 6 Phoenix to them but thats all. Now step from this to Hornet where you have A-A and A-G capabilities, few MFDs, plenty of usable radar modes etc. If Im not mistaken TK cut A-6 from SF2V because he hadn't resources to do Diane system...
Except you don't really need MFD modes or anything new apart from perhaps a useable ground radar mode. F-18's A/A radar modes don't really look that different from what's in the F-15. The weapons display can already be done using the same methods the WOI F-16 does, and while nice it's really just fluff.
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Originally Posted By: Evil Flower
Except you don't really need MFD modes or anything new apart from perhaps a useable ground radar mode. F-18's A/A radar modes don't really look that different from what's in the F-15. The weapons display can already be done using the same methods the WOI F-16 does, and while nice it's really just fluff.
Good point. I've been thinking about this as well. F/A-18A is not that much more advanced than the F-16A and F-15A. Here's a little article about the hornet's pit http://www.ausairpower.net/TE-Fighter-Cockpits.html I think it's very doable at stock TW standards. We're not talking about the Superbug here. look at the pics Nothing in that pit hasn't been done before.
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Wow! It's freakin fantastic shots! I guess that answers the questions about F/A-18 being included, also guess that means a latter era Tomcat too? Anyway, gonna defintely get this once released.
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I'd happy with a version of the f/a-18 with avionics similar to the f-15 but I just wish tk would give us a steerable targeting cursor in AA and AG radar modes, it cant be that expensive to make can it? I'm not talking steerable tv missiles or flir just a simple I want to lock this or this object kind of thingy
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These looks awesome and I'm going to buy SF2NA for sure. Just one question - Does SF2 support ILS and TACAN for carriers? I'm not talking about frequencies, and all advanced features, but simple ILS and distance, just like ILS in LockOn.
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I know you can change targets but I mean you can't move the target select cursor like you can in falcon, you can only switch between targets using two buttons, I wish you could use a mouse or assign an axis, kind hope we could have dual throttle control while we're at it lol
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I know you can change targets but I mean you can't move the target select cursor like you can in falcon, you can only switch between targets using two buttons, I wish you could use a mouse or assign an axis, kind hope we could have dual throttle control while we're at it lol
What possible functionality would be added through using a mouse to physically move the cursor with pixel-perfect precision that cannot be done much faster and comfortably by pressing a key to cycle through contacts?
It's exactly the kind of non-user friendly feature I hope TK stays away from.
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I still hope this will be a new Fleet Defender
Judging from some preview pics, you get to shoot at Badgers and cruise missiles.
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they dont move out of the area IRL, they are in a marked spot, and duck under the plane's wings.
...behind a blast shield. (Thank you, Top Gun.)
I have video footage of SuperBugs launching from the back 2 Cats, and the green white and yellow shirts working that area kneel next to the aircraft (to the left) while everyone else moves behind the safe lines to the right or left of the area.
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I know you can change targets but I mean you can't move the target select cursor like you can in falcon, you can only switch between targets using two buttons, I wish you could use a mouse or assign an axis, kind hope we could have dual throttle control while we're at it lol
What possible functionality would be added through using a mouse to physically move the cursor with pixel-perfect precision that cannot be done much faster and comfortably by pressing a key to cycle through contacts?
It's exactly the kind of non-user friendly feature I hope TK stays away from.
I know you can change targets but I mean you can't move the target select cursor like you can in falcon, you can only switch between targets using two buttons, I wish you could use a mouse or assign an axis, kind hope we could have dual throttle control while we're at it lol
What possible functionality would be added through using a mouse to physically move the cursor with pixel-perfect precision that cannot be done much faster and comfortably by pressing a key to cycle through contacts?
It's exactly the kind of non-user friendly feature I hope TK stays away from.
Amen.
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Originally Posted By: arthur666
Hmmm... First OHP wasn't commissioned until 1977. I'm guessing we're looking at 1979 timeline for a campaign.
have a look at the Aircraft Variants in the Objects List.
These are the New Aircraft in the Objects List... that showed up in the last 1 or 2 patches.
Bold/Check are confirmed via Screenshots. (Updated from Merged Install?) are Planes most likely taken from SF2V/SF2I/SF2E (Updated Version of DLC?) are planes most likely modified versions of the previous DLC.
hasnt been updated with the new set of screens, feel free to check off new confirmations.
A-4M A-4N A-6E (Updated From Merged Install?) A-6E_79 (Updated From Merged Install?) A-7E_74 (Updated From Merged Install?) A-7E_79 (Updated From Merged Install?) EA-6B Check. E-2C Check. F-4J_74 (Updated From Merged Install?) F-4N F-4S F-14A Check. F-14A_77 Check. Lim-6bis (Re-Badged MIG-17) Lim-6M (Re-Badged MIG-17) Mirage3E (Updated Version of DLC?) Mirage3EL (Updated Version of DLC?) Mirage3OF (Updated Version of DLC?) Mirage3OA (Updated Version of DLC?) Mirage3OFA (Updated Version of DLC?) Mirage5DE (Updated Version of DLC?) Mirage5E2 (Updated Version of DLC?) Mirage5SDE (Updated Version of DLC?) RF-8G RF-8G_77 Yak-38 Tu-95K-22 Tu-95RT Check. Tu-22KD Check. Tu-22KPD Tu-22M2 Check. Tu-22M3 Check. Tu-22PD Tu-22RD Tu-16K-10-26 Check. Tu-16K-26 Check. Tu-16P Tu-16R Tu-16RM-1
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TK's latest campaign IIRC is in 1982. My guess is this one won't go much farther than that either. Still, for merged install users we'll have F-15s and the full complement of other naval planes to use. Those with mods installed will have the F/A-18A available as well. Also note the Yak-38 in that list. I really hope we see Forgers, even if they're AI only, launching from the Russian lite carriers.
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Also note the Yak-38 in that list. I really hope we see Forgers, even if they're AI only, launching from the Russian lite carriers.
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Good point. I've been thinking about this as well. F/A-18A is not that much more advanced than the F-16A and F-15A. Here's a little article about the hornet's pit http://www.ausairpower.net/TE-Fighter-Cockpits.html I think it's very doable at stock TW standards. We're not talking about the Superbug here. look at the pics Nothing in that pit hasn't been done before.
Also, Yay! New A-7 skins!
That's NOT correct! The F/A-18A was much more advanced in terms of cockpit avionics than the F-15A and F-16A since the later ones (F-15A and F-16A) didn't have any MFDs ("Glass cockpit") like the F/A-18A had. Besides the F-16A (inicial blocks, circa early 80's) didn't have advanced Air-to-Air modes such as the TWS and had no advanced air-to-ground radar modes like the F/A-18A did and the F-15A didn't have Air-to-Ground radar. The F/A-18A was the world's first true modern multirole combat aircraft and the first one to be able to change from fighter to bomber roles with a simple "flip of a switch".
Finally, the capabilities from the F/A-18A are basically the same as the F/A-18C - the F/A-18C only have better radar/ECM/etc... but the basic capabilities of the F/A-18A and F/A-18C are the same while with the F-16 things were in fact diferent, the current F-16C and latter F-16A block such as MLU give capabilities that the inicial F-16A didn't have such as glass cockpit (MFDs), advanced radar modes such as TWS and advanced air-to-ground capabilities (which most were already present in the F/A-18A). Remember that the F-16A fighter aircraft (in it's inicial versions/blocks) was designed as a short-range dogfighter/interceptor.
Like many of you, I'm a huge fan of TK's work. But remember, all of his product line are lite simulations, noting hard core. TK's makes it perfectly clear on his forums over at third wire, that these are games not sim's. I hope some of you understand this, and not get bent of shape when "everything is not click-able or guy's running around the flight deck" heck, if he could make it happen, I'd settle for air to air refueling and a solid immersion factor, more than anything else, closer to what Janes F-18 had back in the day.
Now, on the subject of the air wing and judging from the pictures, the composition of the air wing's, during the time period appears to be the late 80's, so are we looking at 2 F-14's, 2 A7's, or F18A's and support units. Any speculation on the air wing. The best part of all this is, I just finished reading Tom Clancy's Red Storm Rising, this a great book and SF2NA seem's to jump out of the battle in the North Atlantic from the book.
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Good point. I've been thinking about this as well. F/A-18A is not that much more advanced than the F-16A and F-15A. Here's a little article about the hornet's pit http://www.ausairpower.net/TE-Fighter-Cockpits.html I think it's very doable at stock TW standards. We're not talking about the Superbug here. look at the pics Nothing in that pit hasn't been done before.
Also, Yay! New A-7 skins!
That's NOT correct! The F/A-18A was much more advanced in terms of cockpit avionics than the F-15A and F-16A since the later ones (F-15A and F-16A) didn't have any MFDs ("Glass cockpit") like the F/A-18A had. Besides the F-16A (inicial blocks, circa early 80's) didn't have advanced Air-to-Air modes such as the TWS and had no advanced air-to-ground radar modes like the F/A-18A did and the F-15A didn't have Air-to-Ground radar. The F/A-18A was the world's first true modern multirole combat aircraft and the first one to be able to change from fighter to bomber roles with a simple "flip of a switch".
Finally, the capabilities from the F/A-18A are basically the same as the F/A-18C - the F/A-18C only have better radar/ECM/etc... but the basic capabilities of the F/A-18A and F/A-18C are the same while with the F-16 things were in fact diferent, the current F-16C and latter F-16A block such as MLU give capabilities that the inicial F-16A didn't have such as glass cockpit (MFDs), advanced radar modes such as TWS and advanced air-to-ground capabilities (which most were already present in the F/A-18A). Remember that the F-16A fighter aircraft (in it's inicial versions/blocks) was designed as a short-range dogfighter/interceptor.
Point taken. Ok, so I'll take a Hornet with the MFDs set on one mode each, and the F-15A in the game has TWS already (not realistic, so I'm told), so that would be easy to implement. I want it!
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Hey All,
Like many of you, I'm a huge fan of TK's work. But remember, all of his product line are lite simulations, noting hard core. TK's makes it perfectly clear on his forums over at third wire, that these are games not sim's. I hope some of you understand this, and not get bent of shape when "everything is not click-able or guy's running around the flight deck" heck, if he could make it happen, I'd settle for air to air refueling and a solid immersion factor, more than anything else, closer to what Janes F-18 had back in the day.
Now, on the subject of the air wing and judging from the pictures, the composition of the air wing's, during the time period appears to be the late 80's, so are we looking at 2 F-14's, 2 A7's, or F18A's and support units. Any speculation on the air wing. The best part of all this is, I just finished reading Tom Clancy's Red Storm Rising, this a great book and SF2NA seem's to jump out of the battle in the North Atlantic from the book.
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Red Storm Rising was a really good read wasn't it? It's been a while. I remember both A-7 and F-18 had a role in the battle for Iceland in Clancy's novel.
Those pics of the Hornets on deck are from a user-made mod. Late '70s/early '80s is what we'll be looking at for the official release.
Like many of you, I'm a huge fan of TK's work. But remember, all of his product line are lite simulations, noting hard core. TK's makes it perfectly clear on his forums over at third wire, that these are games not sim's. I hope some of you understand this, and not get bent of shape when "everything is not click-able or guy's running around the flight deck" heck, if he could make it happen, I'd settle for air to air refueling and a solid immersion factor, more than anything else, closer to what Janes F-18 had back in the day.
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Originally Posted By: ricnunes
That's NOT correct! The F/A-18A was much more advanced in terms of cockpit avionics than the F-15A and F-16A since the later ones (F-15A and F-16A) didn't have any MFDs ("Glass cockpit") like the F/A-18A had. Besides the F-16A (inicial blocks, circa early 80's) didn't have advanced Air-to-Air modes such as the TWS and had no advanced air-to-ground radar modes like the F/A-18A did and the F-15A didn't have Air-to-Ground radar. The F/A-18A was the world's first true modern multirole combat aircraft and the first one to be able to change from fighter to bomber roles with a simple "flip of a switch".
Finally, the capabilities from the F/A-18A are basically the same as the F/A-18C - the F/A-18C only have better radar/ECM/etc... but the basic capabilities of the F/A-18A and F/A-18C are the same while with the F-16 things were in fact diferent, the current F-16C and latter F-16A block such as MLU give capabilities that the inicial F-16A didn't have such as glass cockpit (MFDs), advanced radar modes such as TWS and advanced air-to-ground capabilities (which most were already present in the F/A-18A). Remember that the F-16A fighter aircraft (in it's inicial versions/blocks) was designed as a short-range dogfighter/interceptor.
You miss the point completely. Between the F-4, F-15 and F-16, all the necessary features for doing an F-18 are already in the game. SF games are intended as games and not slow, buggy, click-fest-for-fat-nerds type "sims".
TK stated some time ago that there will be NO F/A-18 in North Atlantic, his next addon will be Mirage F1.
If you asking for Hornet in simple Strike fighters style just download great stuff from Combatace. EricJ did amazing SuperHornets, also there are some Hornets from Mirage Factory.
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TK stated some time ago that there will be NO F/A-18 in North Atlantic, his next addon will be Mirage F1.
If you asking for Hornet in simple Strike fighters style just download great stuff from Combatace. EricJ did amazing SuperHornets, also there are some Hornets from Mirage Factory.
This.
I'd rather TK and team spend time developing the underlying game engine, weather, environment, damage modeling, etc. than on specific content like aircraft. The community can fill in the air-fleet gaps later.
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This.
I'd rather TK and team spend time developing the underlying game engine, weather, environment, damage modeling, etc. than on specific content like aircraft. The community can fill in the air-fleet gaps later.
You know, until these recent screenshots, I would have disagreed. I thought the SF engine was set in stone. But with the new advancements we're seeing, I'll change my mind.
Point taken. Ok, so I'll take a Hornet with the MFDs set on one mode each, and the F-15A in the game has TWS already (not realistic, so I'm told), so that would be easy to implement. I want it!
Well, there's already a very good user made F/A-18 addon (don't remember who made it but as soon as I find I'll post) which models the F/A-18 this exact same way, with one "MFD" set as radar and the second "MFD" show a weapons page which shows the weapons that the player F/A-18 have (in a very convincing manner, BTW). There's also a third "MFD" (the lower center one) that show a "NAV page" with a digital "compass", waypoint heading and moving digital map. This addon F/A-18 has also a great and very convincing (IMO) flight model as well - It's great to play with it
I'd rather TK and team spend time developing the underlying game engine, weather, environment, damage modeling, etc. than on specific content like aircraft. The community can fill in the air-fleet gaps later.
You know, until these recent screenshots, I would have disagreed. I thought the SF engine was set in stone. But with the new advancements we're seeing, I'll change my mind.
You Guy's, are dead on, regarding this point, the overall immersion factor is far more important than anything else. Well, at least it is for me. I would be nice to have everything but the kitchen sink, but then their's learning curve, which will take time away from the sim it self. One of the things I liked the most of old flight sim's like Janes F/A-18 was, basically getting right into it. Also, TK stated that the more they have to include in term of cockpit realism, the longer it will take third wire to release SF2NA. So since no hornet's are in the picture, that narrows down the air wing displacement of USN air-wings of the mid 80's; I did a little digging around and the following deployed with the Nimitz during the time period reflected in SF2NA;
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Originally Posted By: arthur666
Originally Posted By: AggressorBLUE
This.
I'd rather TK and team spend time developing the underlying game engine, weather, environment, damage modeling, etc. than on specific content like aircraft. The community can fill in the air-fleet gaps later.
You know, until these recent screenshots, I would have disagreed. I thought the SF engine was set in stone. But with the new advancements we're seeing, I'll change my mind.
You Guy's, are dead on, regarding this point, the overall immersion factor is far more important than anything else. Well, at least it is for me. I would be nice to have everything but the kitchen sink, but then their's learning curve, which will take time away from the sim it self. One of the things I liked the most of old flight sim's like Janes F/A-18 was, basically getting right into it. Also, TK stated that the more they have to include in term of cockpit realism, the longer it will take third wire to release SF2NA. So since no hornet's are in the picture, that narrows down the air wing displacement of USN air-wings of the mid 80's; I did a little digging around and the following deployed with the Nimitz during the time period reflected in SF2NA;
I'd rather TK and team spend time developing the underlying game engine, weather, environment, damage modeling, etc. than on specific content like aircraft. The community can fill in the air-fleet gaps later.
You know, until these recent screenshots, I would have disagreed. I thought the SF engine was set in stone. But with the new advancements we're seeing, I'll change my mind.
You Guy's, are dead on, regarding this point, the overall immersion factor is far more important than anything else. Well, at least it is for me. I would be nice to have everything but the kitchen sink, but then their's learning curve, which will take time away from the sim it self. One of the things I liked the most of old flight sim's like Janes F/A-18 was, basically getting right into it. Also, TK stated that the more they have to include in term of cockpit realism, the longer it will take third wire to release SF2NA. So since no hornet's are in the picture, that narrows down the air wing displacement of USN air-wings of the mid 80's; I did a little digging around and the following deployed with the Nimitz during the time period reflected in SF2NA;
Now, on the subject of deployed NATO & Warsaw Aircraft, dose anyone have word on the NATO and Red air composite both flyable and non flyable. ? SkateZilla put a list together on the objects list, any updates and further feedback on clear landmass, ships, weapons employment ect...
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While reading Fleet Defender's manual this caught my eye;
"Keep in mind, even when playing those pre-1988 Mediterranean campaign games, you are given a more powerful version of the F-14 that did not historically exist at the time. All F-14s flown in FLEET DEFENDER are assumed to be F-14B model aircraft regardless of the scenario being played. It should be noted that the MicroProse design team tested a flight model using the original TF-30-P-412A engines installed in F-14As. The result was a particularly narrow flight envelope. The aircraft was very unforgiving if one failed to stay within these parameters. More often than not, inattentive pilots found themselves spinning in before ever engaging the enemy. In short, it wasn’t much fun. For purposes of a commercial flight simulator, the F-14B with its improved turbofan engines, was a much better choice."
No wonder it was called the Turkey, I wonder how will TK's FM reflect this.
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It wouldn't surprise me if the Microprose version actually simulated compressor stalls and resultant loss of engine thrust. TK likely won't since that kind of feature isn't any fun.
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Actually we have plenty underpowered aircrafts in SF so nothing really new LOL
Yeah, we are already used to the under powered restrictive Envelopes.
Are you aware that tweaking the power of an aircraft is as simple as editing a text file? I'd wager that restrictive envelopes could be addressed as well.
If you feel that an aircraft is not performing as advertised, the fix is only as far away as the .cat extractor utility and MS Notepad.
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Are you aware that tweaking the power of an aircraft is as simple as editing a text file? I'd wager that restrictive envelopes could be addressed as well.
If you feel that an aircraft is not performing as advertised, the fix is only as far away as the .cat extractor utility and MS Notepad.
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Sure, but I think I'ld rather have the challenge of flying the A than to make it into a B. I rarely use the F-15, just because it is not a challenge when facing late '70s opponents. I'm sure the A will still be an incredible plane in the TW world.
OK People what gives? it's so damn quiet around here, you could hear a pin drop. Since I'm waiting for the release, any one out there hear any thing, latest pictures ? .....
Anyone
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Nothing, and it's getting a little frustrating.
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A mid/late 80s cols war scenario at North Atlantic is great! The huge Tupolevs armed with Kh-22 or the KSR-5 missiles against the Tomcats! TK always offers something good.
In my opinion it's time for SF2 to get stock red side flyable. During 50s - 80s a large number of Mig-15, Mig-17, Mig-19, Mig-21, Mig-23, Mig-25, Mig-29, Su-7, Su-17 had been operated by various air forces.
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A mid/late 80s cols war scenario at North Atlantic is great! The huge Tupolevs armed with Kh-22 or the KSR-5 missiles against the Tomcats! TK always offers something good.
In my opinion it's time for SF2 to get stock red side flyable. During 50s - 80s a large number of Mig-15, Mig-17, Mig-19, Mig-21, Mig-23, Mig-25, Mig-29, Su-7, Su-17 had been operated by various air forces.
Just a thought.
The last readers' poll at the ThirdWire website included a MiG-17 flyable. It didn't make it, lost to the Mirage F1.
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Originally Posted By: KostasAK
A mid/late 80s cols war scenario at North Atlantic is great! The huge Tupolevs armed with Kh-22 or the KSR-5 missiles against the Tomcats! TK always offers something good.
In my opinion it's time for SF2 to get stock red side flyable. During 50s - 80s a large number of Mig-15, Mig-17, Mig-19, Mig-21, Mig-23, Mig-25, Mig-29, Su-7, Su-17 had been operated by various air forces.
Just a thought.
The last readers' poll at the ThirdWire website included a MiG-17 flyable. It didn't make it, lost to the Mirage F1.
...and the latest usermade MiG-29A with new cockpit is gorgeous, near TW standards I would say. Which brings me to a new topic...
A mid/late 80s cols war scenario at North Atlantic is great! The huge Tupolevs armed with Kh-22 or the KSR-5 missiles against the Tomcats! TK always offers something good.
In my opinion it's time for SF2 to get stock red side flyable. During 50s - 80s a large number of Mig-15, Mig-17, Mig-19, Mig-21, Mig-23, Mig-25, Mig-29, Su-7, Su-17 had been operated by various air forces.
Just a thought.
The last readers' poll at the ThirdWire website included a MiG-17 flyable. It didn't make it, lost to the Mirage F1.
...and the latest usermade MiG-29A with new cockpit is gorgeous, near TW standards I would say. Which brings me to a new topic...
Red Air as DLC ? Man talk about posiblities !!! SU33, SU-27 or F-14, F15, other Nato two seat aircraft for that matter playing the role of the Wisso or Rio...see guy's there I go again day dreaming, let me just This is worse than watching paint dry.....
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Actually we have plenty underpowered aircrafts in SF so nothing really new LOL
Yeah, we are already used to the under powered restrictive Envelopes.
Are you aware that tweaking the power of an aircraft is as simple as editing a text file? I'd wager that restrictive envelopes could be addressed as well.
If you feel that an aircraft is not performing as advertised, the fix is only as far away as the .cat extractor utility and MS Notepad.
Cheers!
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i was modding INI files for Thirdwire games before the 1st title even hit retail shelves.
and the underpowered re-strictive envelopes are realistic so why would I change the flight model to make it easier?
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I want to fly that damned Intruder.
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Nothing really new there. A-6 Intruders have had Harpoon since WOV haven't they? TMF made the F-14 long ago.
What I see is what looks like a seamless terrain and water that is reflecting. You can see the ships reflection in the water and it seems you can see the clouds also. Looking for the features that you can't see in the dlls.
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I'm curious to know at this point what's left for them to work on.
-> Multiplayer, specially and preferably (to me) Co-Op playable campaign (and single missions, of course) -> Flyable A-6 Intruder (preferable with ground-radar that allows locking surface targets)
And yes, the screenshots look AWESOME!
No Multi-Player, stated numerous times by the man himself on his forums. Only 1 New Flayable, The F-14A, Anything You have when you Merge the Install w/ SF2,SF2V, SF2E, SF2I and Expansions etc will be flyable.
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I'm curious to know at this point what's left for them to work on.
-> Multiplayer, specially and preferably (to me) Co-Op playable campaign (and single missions, of course) -> Flyable A-6 Intruder (preferable with ground-radar that allows locking surface targets)
And yes, the screenshots look AWESOME!
No Multi-Player, stated numerous times by the man himself on his forums. Only 1 New Flayable, The F-14A, Anything You have when you Merge the Install w/ SF2,SF2V, SF2E, SF2I and Expansions etc will be flyable.
Yes, I know that but it's unfortunate that this sim won't be multiplayer capable (at least co-op). I'm sure that if this sim would have multiplayer it would be much more sucessfull than it will ever be - And this is an oppinion from someone (me) that plays combat flight sims exclusivelly in single player but nevertheless I can recognise the extreme importance (comercial and "fanbase") of multiplayer.
Oooops, I thought the question was "what was the missile fired by the destroyer" and not "what destroyer is it (that's firing the missile)" - That's what happens when someone reads something in a hurry (which was the case). Sorry! But yes, that destroyer seems to be a Kashin-class one.
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Nothing really new there. A-6 Intruders have had Harpoon since WOV haven't they? TMF made the F-14 long ago.
What I see is what looks like a seamless terrain and water that is reflecting. You can see the ships reflection in the water and it seems you can see the clouds also. Looking for the features that you can't see in the dlls.
+1
We'll get to fly those birds within a week of the community getting access. It's what we don't have from a baseline standpoint that I want.
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Wow I had not seen these new wip ss yet. I did not realize TK was using a new water rendering!!! Water, ships, planes all in all look outstanding. Even object reflections and sky off of the water. Can't wait. Hope he populates the flight deck like zilla's work. Now just need a modder to fuzz up those clouds and we'll be set.
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Can you imagine being strapped into a cramped cockpit, up at the top of the world, fighting WW3 in the cold of high altitudes?
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Wonder if TK will have some updated menu music If not, I can see me adding USNF music.
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I really like era/subject of this game. I hope it sells well for TK. The other great thing is that any gaps in the planeset will or already have been filled by modders.
The RN CV, Phantoms and Buccaneers seem like they would fit in well with this scenario. I think the Ark Royal was decommissioned around the end of the 70s.
Nice looking California class CGN there, and it is modernized carrying the Phalanx. Knox FF is also quite a looker. looking forward to taking the Turkey out over the vast nothingness of the North Atlantic.
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Multiplayer (or the lack of it) has never been a tremendously demanded feature. I don't see TK devoting much time to it.
The naval combat, if it is as functional as it looks, is going to add a completely new dimension to this game.
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Artic Circle and Command are hardly similar games, unless I am missing something. Artic Circle is definately "wargame" lite - admitted concession to fun over reality, but nice graphics that should be fun to watch (ala Fleet Command). Command looks more like something along the lines of Haroon; i.e. full-real war simulator, but light on the "lite" fun.
Correction noted. My brain is still seeing Artic Circle as the new Fleet Command. Still, these games are for those needing to fill that naval sim need. Don't think I'd enjoy command. Don't have the inclination or time to learn something like that.
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No I see what you mean Komemiute. I think the new water looks great but it does sort of have that look. Maybe because it sort of looks like the TW engine glued onto Dangerous Water's water engine. But I still think it looks great and will be a welcome upgrade to TW's current water.
I saw a picture with a Hawkeye. Do you think we'll get at least simple radar support from them? I miss those little mfds you used to be able to pull up in USNF. Although we have full pits now with working instruments unlike USNF.
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I saw a picture with a Hawkeye. Do you think we'll get at least simple radar support from them? I miss those little mfds you used to be able to pull up in USNF. Although we have full pits now with working instruments unlike USNF.
My hope is that we can get data-link targets on the F-14 radar screen (sent by the Hawkeye) which happened in the real F-14.
I saw a picture with a Hawkeye. Do you think we'll get at least simple radar support from them? I miss those little mfds you used to be able to pull up in USNF. Although we have full pits now with working instruments unlike USNF.
My hope is that we can get data-link targets on the F-14 radar screen (sent by the Hawkeye) which happened in the real F-14.
Don't forget the fact that TK makes lite sim's. Looking at these new pic's, this is starting to look up, I love the details on the ship's, but adding to any wish list, in addition to the data-link, how about a functioning Rio with weapons mode capability, Same with the A6 Intruders as BN's. Man, Just thinking about a multi-player with this...well it would make SF2NA flat out awesome, Anyone care to chime in with idea's. All this off course in my perfect sim world.
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This is EXACTLY what I used to love about modern aviation. Yeah the first Hornets on top: will have to download those.
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I saw a picture with a Hawkeye. Do you think we'll get at least simple radar support from them? I miss those little mfds you used to be able to pull up in USNF. Although we have full pits now with working instruments unlike USNF.
My hope is that we can get data-link targets on the F-14 radar screen (sent by the Hawkeye) which happened in the real F-14.
Don't forget the fact that TK makes lite sim's. Looking at these new pic's, this is starting to look up, I love the details on the ship's, but adding to any wish list, in addition to the data-link, how about a functioning Rio with weapons mode capability, Same with the A6 Intruders as BN's. Man, Just thinking about a multi-player with this...well it would make SF2NA flat out awesome, Anyone care to chime in with idea's. All this off course in my perfect sim world.
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I hear you. I'd like mid-air refueling, crowded and animated flight deck, more plane to plane and plane to tower comms, detailed briefing and debriefing rooms like the good ol' days.(Like click on the chalk board to make flight plan, click on filing cabinet to read intel, sit in the chair and watch projector movie and listen to CO give briefing)
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Despite these sim series belonging to the "lite sim" category, IMO it wouldn't be hard implement a Data-Link system (albeit a simplified one). All we need is a code that triggers targets that are within the E-2 radar range (an E-2 must be present, of course) to appear in the player's F-14 radar scope (even if for some reason the player's F-14 radar isn't picking up those same targets). Like I said this doesn't need to be something too "fancy" or detailed -> It's basically something like this: - If an enemy target or enemy targets are within the range and detected by the E-2 radar than that ot those targets will appear in the player's F-14 radar scope (even if the player's radar isn't picking up those same target). Those targets would appear in the radar as HAFU simbology, like in real life. - If an enemy target or enemy targets is out of range from the E-2 radar than NO target will appear in the player's F-14 radar scope (unless the player's radar is actually detecting that or those same targets, of course). The same also happens if NO E-2 is present (for example: the E-2 was shot down or for some other reason crashed or returned to base).
Actually if I'm not mistaken something "similar" to this already happens in SF/SF2 when playing with "easy" dificulty/avionincs settings where all targets appear on the radar scope no matter where the player's radar is scanning at.
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The Forger looks to be turning away from a firing Spruance class.
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I thought that air launched Harpoon has only jet engine?
No, that is the sustainer motor. The AGM-84 also had an impulse rocket engine to get it up to speed, and away from the launching platform. I think the ones tested in bomber drops only had a sustainer motor as they dropped from aircraft rather than be launched by them. I do not think those types were ever fielded in service.
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I thought that air launched Harpoon has only jet engine?
No, that is the sustainer motor. The AGM-84 also had an impulse rocket engine to get it up to speed, and away from the launching platform. I think the ones tested in bomber drops only had a sustainer motor as they dropped from aircraft rather than be launched by them. I do not think those types were ever fielded in service.
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Snow on mountains is convincing, clouds less so...
Oh, I'm sure I'll be using the clouds from NATO4 pack. Check the screenshot thread, I posted some pics a few days ago. Agree with you on the water issue.
Makes me wonder why TK doesn't make it part of the engine. You know, you give the guys a free copy of each game/dlc you release and in exchange they keep pumpin'out great stuff.
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Aye, Arthur! I use that too... great mod, really.
Makes me wonder why TK doesn't make it part of the engine. You know, you give the guys a free copy of each game/dlc you release and in exchange they keep pumpin'out great stuff.
Too many free copies would be given out.... TW would lose too much revenue.
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Am I the only one that still thinks the terrain looks boring and lifeless? What was all the fuss about SF2NA coming with a new terrain engine? To me it looks the same.
Might be lifeless but its Iceland. I haven't seen any shots yet where you would see lots of trees. I'm sure I'll regret the new terrain but I'm also sure that the modders in this series will find a way to make changes.
The fact that there are no tiles are a bonus. Now "hopefully", rivers and streams and roads / highways and such can be placed without having to make weird turns to get things to go proper.
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You carriers don't move? I remember back in WOV days, closing the carrier on the let down and watching as I hit a way point the carrier turned into the wind.
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Isn't that water a bit ...blue?
The Yak-38 is pretty cool. It would be great if a very limited command/supply interface was available (eg. changing the course of ships and trying to capture islands). IMHO, our modern ultra-realistic sims are missing some of the fun that early sims gave us where we could play 'capture the island'.
In the video, did anyone notice the Hawkeyeski, kidding about the name but there is a Hawkeye looking aircraft that appears to have contra-rotating props and very cool shape. Is it strictly a hypothetical variant?
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In the video, did anyone notice the Hawkeyeski, kidding about the name but there is a Hawkeye looking aircraft that appears to have contra-rotating props and very cool shape. Is it strictly a hypothetical variant?
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Yak-44, which never advanced beyond the prototype stage, it was cancelled along with the Ulyanovsk-class CVNs that it was originally intended to deploy from.
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Isn't that water a bit ...blue?
It depends on one's position in relation to the Island. That's the actual color of the Gulf Stream. The surface color of the 'Stream stays pretty much the same, irregardless of one being off the East coast of Florida, East of North Carolina, SE of New Jersey, South of Nova Scotia, or South of Iceland.
"SeaWiFS. The Gulf Stream waters are warm and oligotrophic, low in nutrients. They are deep blue while the cooler, more-nutrient-rich waters to the north are milky blue due to the phytoplankton. (click on image for a larger version) Source: NASA Visible Earth."
"Looking at Iceland's northerly position on the map, one would expect the ocean around it to be icy cold and that very little production of phytoplankton could take place and become the basis for the food chain. One would expect the ocean to be rather lifeless. The fact is, however, quite the contrary because the ocean around Iceland is teeming with life. The explanation lies in the system of ocean currents around the country. As the warm Gulf stream approaching from the southwest meets the polar current from the north a huge amount of upwelling of nutrients takes place from the deeper layers to the surface. The nutrients feed microscopic life in the surface layers, notably phytoplankton and zooplankton and thus the ocean's entire food web. The Gulf stream warms the ocean south off Iceland and flows north along the west coast and east along the north coast. It meets the polar current off the north and west coasts and also in the southeast."
Besides, if one does not like the water surface color in a Third Wire sim, it's not all that hard to "personalize" it to suit one's taste.
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If anything, hopefully the sky can have its color and contrast adjusted to blend better with the new water so that the SF "world" looks all made out of the same stuff.(CA_Stary or LexxLuthor???) They always put out cool stuff.
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Well out of the Badger pic, I hope that isn't TK playing it and is an AI pilot firing guided munitions.
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I'm almost 100% certain that's the AI shooting and flying. 3rd Wire AI can engage a moving target with a guided weapon.
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Originally Posted By: Avimimus
Isn't that water a bit ...blue?
It depends on one's position in relation to the Island. That's the actual color of the Gulf Stream. The surface color of the 'Stream stays pretty much the same, irregardless of one being off the East coast of Florida, East of North Carolina, SE of New Jersey, South of Nova Scotia, or South of Iceland.
[...] Besides, if one does not like the water surface color in a Third Wire sim, it's not all that hard to "personalize" it to suit one's taste.
Neat. Thanks.
(I still don't believe you though, I always think of the waters of the St. Lawrence, which tend towards slate colours.. of course, I don't believe that Ireland/England could be that Green or that tropical countries are so bright either... belief is a hard thing to come by...)
Having sailed up that way, Iceland and off Norway in the spring times, you can add more grey to it and reduce the ceilings to scattered to overcast. I have seen beautiful sunny days in the mid Atlantic though and if you do go more south, then it does blue up more with nice skies.
Plus ya need the waves while watching a destroyer 2 miles away disappear behind a wave. Yes I know it won't matter flying above the waves to the pilots.
I like the look of the Kitchen coming in on the CG but I would like to see if the Harpoon will actually sea skim.
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Ooh. Somebody on that Virginia-class CGN is about to have a bad day. I'll look forward to seeing what all ships are modeled here!
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Ooh. Somebody on that Virginia-class CGN is about to have a bad day. I'll look forward to seeing what all ships are modeled here!
That would be California class CGN, notice the deckhouse on the foc'stle for ASROC, the MK13 instead of MK26 missile launcher (That being said I'd lve to see the Virgina class here) Damn my age is showing... and why am I suddenly thinking Belknap class would be great aswell or the Truxton
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Ooh. Somebody on that Virginia-class CGN is about to have a bad day. I'll look forward to seeing what all ships are modeled here!
That would be California class CGN, notice the deckhouse on the foc'stle for ASROC, the MK13 instead of MK26 missile launcher (That being said I'd lve to see the Virgina class here) Damn my age is showing... and why am I suddenly thinking Belknap class would be great aswell or the Truxton
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Ah, I didn't notice that... I was looking at the aft hangar area. Also, don't forget the Bainbridge, Long Beach, and perhaps Knox-Class frigates as well. I could see some epic naval battles in the works...
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Ooh. Somebody on that Virginia-class CGN is about to have a bad day. I'll look forward to seeing what all ships are modeled here!
That would be California class CGN, notice the deckhouse on the foc'stle for ASROC, the MK13 instead of MK26 missile launcher (That being said I'd lve to see the Virgina class here) Damn my age is showing... and why am I suddenly thinking Belknap class would be great aswell or the Truxton
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Ah, I didn't notice that... I was looking at the aft hangar area. Also, don't forget the Bainbridge, Long Beach, and perhaps Knox-Class frigates as well. I could see some epic naval battles in the works...
I wonder if the Kirov will make an appearance? Is 1980 launch too late? Hope not.
Ooh. Somebody on that Virginia-class CGN is about to have a bad day. I'll look forward to seeing what all ships are modeled here!
That would be California class CGN, notice the deckhouse on the foc'stle for ASROC, the MK13 instead of MK26 missile launcher (That being said I'd lve to see the Virgina class here) Damn my age is showing... and why am I suddenly thinking Belknap class would be great aswell or the Truxton
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Ah, I didn't notice that... I was looking at the aft hangar area. Also, don't forget the Bainbridge, Long Beach, and perhaps Knox-Class frigates as well. I could see some epic naval battles in the works...
I wonder if the Kirov will make an appearance? Is 1980 launch too late? Hope not.
Ooh, good point. I thought the game took place in the 80's anyway? How about some Sverdlovs while we're at it too?
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How about ships firing chaff? Chaff CHARLIE Chaff DELTA? huh? Can always hope.
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Sverdlov's would be nice, also Kynda CG's ,aybe toss in a few Osa II for coastal work around Iceland, good 20mm targets. Hell I would love to see the danish Frigate Peder Skram there, 4x Mk38 dual 5 inch, 4x 40mm Bofors depth charges and 4x TT's or use the modernised version ('82 saw her after the refit at Elsinore shipyard in Denmark, was a beautiful ship... sank a vacation home area are with an RGM-84 Harpoon in 1984, a commander was made scapegoat and lost his job (he did not launch the weapon but he failed to prevent the yeoman from turning the arming swith on a faulty panel, fortunately the missile went south west instead of southeast were the first eligible target had been the coolant targets on the swedish Barsebäck nuclear power plant) replaced one Mk38 with 2 quad harpoon lau's and added an after 8 cell NATO Srea Sparrow launcher One is moored in Copenhagen harbour as a museum today
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...fortunately the missile went south west instead of southeast were the first eligible target had been the coolant targets on the swedish Barsebäck nuclear power plant
I wonder how long will we have to wait for it to be released? Is the number of flyables known (besides the spectacular Tomcat)? Not seeing any screenshot of the cockpit tells me that there's still a lot of work to be done... But I can wait for the succesor of Microprose's Fleet Defender (I used to play it for hours even after many years after it's release). Who remeber the mission in Oceana where you were tasked with intercepting a bogey on the Halloween and there were a chance that it would either be a flight of Mig-21 (IIRC), an UFO or a famous lost Flight 19 of Avenger torpedo bombers. Good times...
Thanks for the update Matt. I'm so getting this add on. BTW, been more than a few years since I flew the SF series so a quick question. If you merge the NATO add-on and other flyable a/c, does the mission/campaign generator allow you to fly other aircraft besides the two default birds this will ship with? Dumb question, but actually getting pretty stoked about this release since Fleet Defender was my all time favorite back in the day.
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I think its in the backseat, but the pilot can change that lower MFD to a RWR screen, IIRC.
Yes, it's true that the F-14A pilot cockpit doesn't have a RWR instrument and arthur666 is correct saying that a RWR page is available thru the HSI screen (the lower "MFD"). However the pilot pit does have a series of lights located at the right side of the HUD (in Right Front Windshield Frame) which indicates RWR activity when present (one for example indicates when an enemy missile is incoming) and these lights seem to be missing in the F-14 cockpit of SF2:NA. Here's where those "RWR activity" lights should be located at (in the SF2:NA F-14 cockpit):
And here's a real F-14A pilot cockpit with those "RWR activity" lights:
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Anyone have a good F-18A add on to recommend?
I like the most updated cockpit from Combatace.com HERE
With this CF-18 , add some US skins, change the .ini to say "FA-18A" instead of "CF-18". I think the FM feels better than the other F-18s out there, which is why i went thru the trouble.
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This is like the similar argument between FS9 and FS10. There were thousands of add on's for FS9 when FS10 rolled out and now the opposite is true, to where fewer developers are doing any FS9 and almost exclusively FS10. It has everything to do with an evolving market and while there will remain to be FS9 flyers, they will be stuck with a stagnant availability of add on's.
DX10 and up offers many more features and I venture to say that with their next OS becoming available, XP will completely fall off their RADAR for support. I loved XP when it was out and the workhorse OS and it wasn't until WIN7 came out, matured, that I finally gave up XP. I haven't regretted my decision ever since.
Anyway, I suspect you will see less and less supporters of XP, forcing you to either upgrade or continue treading water in a shrinking pond.
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I'm have to add the F-15A to this. The product page says 1979, and the F-15 went into service in 75 or 76. They would have been rushed to Iceland to augment the F-4C/E already there.
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I'm have to add the F-15A to this. The product page says 1979, and the F-15 went into service in 75 or 76. They would have been rushed to Iceland to augment the F-4C/E already there.
True. A war like that would surely have changed things as far as which squadrons had what, and were stationed where.
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Once he finishes the Tomcat, his stable will be pretty much complete. He's got the F-15, the F-16, and the F-4. The Cold Warhorses are all there. No need for an F-18, then.
I will have all the planes I'd ever need at that point.
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I'm have to add the F-15A to this. The product page says 1979, and the F-15 went into service in 75 or 76. They would have been rushed to Iceland to augment the F-4C/E already there.
True. A war like that would surely have changed things as far as which squadrons had what, and were stationed where.
Eh, Tom Clancy novel aside, I don't think there was any serious air threat to Iceland in a real Cold War baring nukes (well, that was a threat everywhere) or the USN losing a major naval action (scenario presented in the game). What threat there was would be from bombers at the edge of their range, and without fighter escort. I think the USAF would have committed all its top of the line dogfighting F-15As to the air campaign over Germany, and left the defense of Iceland to 2nd line interceptor-type aircraft: F-4s, backed up by F-106s.
To the extent you can use the term in reference to a hypothetical scenario, F-15As in Iceland in 1970/1980 would have been unrealistc.
Well its still supported by M$, and to be honest the graphics don't justify switch to DirectX 10/11. Or is there tesselation being used in the engine?
Uhm thats not true. I remember having very low FPS with DX9 and much better FPS with DX10. Plus better shadows and stuff. Honestly XP is almost 10 years old..get yourself a grip and enjoy Win7.
Well its still supported by M$, and to be honest the graphics don't justify switch to DirectX 10/11. Or is there tesselation being used in the engine?
Uhm thats not true. I remember having very low FPS with DX9 and much better FPS with DX10. Plus better shadows and stuff. Honestly XP is almost 10 years old..get yourself a grip and enjoy Win7.
What is your point? That the game is badly optimized to run under DX9? I don't think that DX9 have such limitations that with graphics shown in the screenshots DX10 is a must. I have seen far prettier games (even flight sims) that runs very well on DX9 (BMS, Rise of Flight, FC2, even MS Flight just to name a few).
But as I said I will have to switch to Win7 eventually, and the SF2NA will probably the title that will make me do this. TK should get some money from Gates for this
F-4s, A-4s, F-15As, F-16As, will all be flyable w/ merged install, and you can add them to campaign using the campaign editor.
I would like to fly something (A-6?) in this campaign that can attack the Soviet fleet with Harpoons from standoff ranges. I think SF2VN has a flyable A-6 but I wonder if it has the ability to fire Harpoons?
One of the most exciting things about this sim is that it finally gives me the title that will drive me to start enjoying the rich modding community that surrounds TK's works. I own SF2E but I never got into it because it was essentially Lock-On which I preferred because it went a little deeper into the systems modeling. But, since there are no other Tomcat games out, I plan on making a sincere effort to become absorbed in this lite sim.
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What is your point? That the game is badly optimized to run under DX9? I don't think that DX9 have such limitations that with graphics shown in the screenshots DX10 is a must. I have seen far prettier games (even flight sims) that runs very well on DX9 (BMS, Rise of Flight, FC2, even MS Flight just to name a few).
But those have bigger budgets and more programmers. DX9 is an entirely different API from DX10 so supporting both means twice the work.
But those have bigger budgets and more programmers. DX9 is an entirely different API from DX10 so supporting both means twice the work.
I don't think that BMS had any budget at all (it's free), Rise of Flight developers are also a small team with limited resources AFAIK (at least when they have started). And since previous Strike Fighters 2 titles supported DX9 and SF2NA can even be merged with them I don't see why the need for it to be DX10 exclusive? The new water and terrain engine? Maybe... the static screenshots don't show it all, we will have to see when this is going to be released.
damson, as much as I liked in through the years and years, Dx9 is dead end technology, Dx10 with Dx10 shaders were behing the big improved performance and in noticeably more XXI-alike look of the Series2 games.
edit: also what Evil Flower wrote in his post above
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I just read it on the SF2NA page:
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I'll be interested to see if it actually doesn't work with either XP and/or Pre-DX9 cards, or if TK just doesn't feel like supporting those anymore. IIRC,the current XP/DX10 situation is that XP DOES support DX10 cards (as in, they won't explode when you load the drivers), and kinda-sorta-maybe-sometimes works with DX10. Sounds like something someone developing on the DX10 environment doesn't really want to muck around with on the support side. Wouldn't surprise me if NA does run on XP,albeit not perfectly.
A risky move for TK though.
the SF series has always been more accessible based on it's lighter system reqs versus heavy hitters like DCS, FSX, and RoF.
If TK decides to cut those with older hardware out of the loop, he might be lobbing off a larger audience than he realizes.
Then again, DX 10 cards have been around a while (we're talking' 6 years people!). Now is as good a time as any to plunk a $100 down an AMD 6770
Personally, none of this changes my buying choice any, but an interesting topic no less.
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I don't think there was any serious air threat to Iceland
I thought the GIUK gap was a shipping choke point that was strategically important to control?
It was, but unless the Soviets figured a way to strap a couple of MiG-23s to the wings of a Tu-95, there was no way Russian fighters would have been coming to Iceland, except for Yaks on the Kiev (which the Navy should have been able to handle, anyway). Against bombers, even against Yaks, the F-4s or F-106s would have been more than adaquate. There were not that many F-15As in 1979/1980, and I suspect the USAF would have rushed all they had to the real air battle in Germany.
I know Clancy in Red Storm has F-15s at Iceland, but that scenario takes place in the mid '8s, when more F-15s were available.
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The problem with having no big-deck carriers, the Soviets would have very little in the way of fighter cover.
It would have been a pretty rough day for Backfire pilots, even with EW cover. The Tomcats and the Phoenix missile would have made life very difficult.
I plan on actually modding a few terrains and campaigns to use the Tomcat as it was in real-life, not what it was designed for.
If the new terrain is as small as TK says it is, it's not going to hold my interest for too long.
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It was, but unless the Soviets figured a way to strap a couple of MiG-23s to the wings of a Tu-95, there was no way Russian fighters would have been coming to Iceland, except for Yaks on the Kiev (which the Navy should have been able to handle, anyway). Against bombers, even against Yaks, the F-4s or F-106s would have been more than adaquate. There were not that many F-15As in 1979/1980, and I suspect the USAF would have rushed all they had to the real air battle in Germany.
I know Clancy in Red Storm has F-15s at Iceland, but that scenario takes place in the mid '8s, when more F-15s were available.
If the Soviet naval bombers could find the CVs and they could overwhelm their defenses (pre-AEGIS, low Tomcat count, A model Phoenix) then their navy would have a MUCH easier time controlling the gap.
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Originally Posted By: UnderTheRadar
If the Soviet naval bombers could find the CVs and they could overwhelm their defenses (pre-AEGIS, low Tomcat count, A model Phoenix) then their navy would have a MUCH easier time controlling the gap.
Yeah, but I guess I don't give the Soviet anti-maritime aviation that much credit. We know the Phoenix and Sparrows would not have worked as well as advertised, but then I doubt the Kitchens would have either. I know RSR is at the beginning of the Aegis era, but even so, Clancy has to invent a tactic (Kelts as decoy drones) and have the USN completely fall for it to get enough Kitchen's inside the screen to do damage. Real life, I think the Soviets lose several Backfires and Badgers for no appreciable gain.
Still plan to have alot of fun with SF:NA, though, whether it is "realistic" or not!
If TK decides to cut those with older hardware out of the loop, he might be lobbing off a larger audience than he realizes.
Then again, DX 10 cards have been around a while (we're talking' 6 years people!). Now is as good a time as any to plunk a $100 down an AMD 6770
Personally, none of this changes my buying choice any, but an interesting topic no less.
To be clear I have DX11 capable graphics card (NVidia GTS450) but the OS is the main problem. But I already saw somewhere on the web that there is non-official Direct X 10 for XP. Will have to check it out.
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Originally Posted By: Maj_Alvega
Are there any plans about a replay function?
The ability to "save" and edit missions was added with the last expansion pack, so I'd say that its safe to assume that this feature will also be available with SF2:NA.
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Real life, I think the Soviets lose several Backfires and Badgers for no appreciable gain.
Yes, that's a very feasible possibility. But if that wasn't a possibility than what would be the point of having the SF2:NA scenario and playing it as a F-14 pilot?
The ability to "save" and edit missions was added with the last expansion pack, so I'd say that its safe to assume that this feature will also be available with SF2:NA.
I've stock SF2 Europe which does not allow me to watch a replay of my mission. I guess i have to grab that expansion pack. Thank you for your reply.
Cheers
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Originally Posted By: Maj_Alvega
Originally Posted By: fubar_512
Originally Posted By: Maj_Alvega
Are there any plans about a replay function?
The ability to "save" and edit missions was added with the last expansion pack, so I'd say that its safe to assume that this feature will also be available with SF2:NA.
I've stock SF2 Europe which does not allow me to watch a replay of my mission. I guess i have to grab that expansion pack. Thank you for your reply.
Cheers
The mission editor/exp pack, allows you to edit missions, and save the mission so you can flyit again, not replay/watch.
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The mission editor/exp pack, allows you to edit missions, and save the mission so you can flyit again, not replay/watch.
thanks for your clarification SkateZilla.
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