Hey guys, Ray aka "Rotton50" has given me another winning model to skin. This one is a Mosquito Fighter-bomber that is wearing the colors of Number 605 "County of Warwick squadron". The squadron flew day and night time Intruder missions from 1943 onwards. The base unit research was done by Peter M Booth (who is a valued asset when it comes to the RAF) and will be used to paint the 16 skins that will make up the finished multi-skin squadron.


Now, for the first time any where live and in person...Ray and my Mossie......







Oh yes, almost forgot, the Dutch City in the background is courtesy of Mr SagginB 512Dark terrain.

Stay Tuned for more views.
Iron Mike

Hi Mike,

Was just wondering, like the Me110 you and Ray worked on,
could you possibly make the modding files (3dz) available,
separately from your usual 1.28e full squadron downloads.

I can't get 1.28e exe to work on my PC
but I could still use the new moddings for my 1.28 exe game.

Cheers mate
David

Sure can Sky.

But you could also download the units and copy the first position skin into a new folder and use it as a single one, or, copy skins number 01-15 into another folder leaving the first skin (position 00)in the folder. Lastly, if you get the entire unit you can rename any of the skins bmp or 8-bit tpc files and copy them over the base skin (saving that one in a backup folder). That way you have your choice of planes.

The unit and any single skins are still a week or two away from release. Ray is going to fine tune the model and I stillhave to paint the distance texture and cockpit wing views.

Nice team work

Nice bird
Congrats, Ray and Mike!
Do I see right - the air intakes at the engine are 3-D?

Yeah, the #%&*$# wouldn't leave me alone until I added 3d intakes.

Also, I just realized after viewing these pics that I need to add the antenna wires too.





BTW, we're finally getting to the point where we have all 30 original planes in hi-res. Only took, what, 13 years?

I think the 410 and the B26 are all that's left of the original lo-res models.

The 410 is in the workshop in a partially finished state and the B26 has been broken up into individual files but no mapping has been done.

Once I get a load of finished projects uploaded to Talley-ho I'll take a look at them.

Re: "Yeah, the #%&*$# wouldn't leave me alone until I added 3d intakes."


Damn Yankee....

Ray, the 410 and nacelle problems, I've still got it as a work in progress in my paint files.

Fran, the intakes are coming nicely and the exhaust cover is painted. On yes, Ray did a nice job didn't he?

Hi Ray and Mike,

Worth the wait - looks good! As ever one minor point - the drop tank are completely the wrong shape.

Pete the pain.

Pete,

Those look like standard 1998 EAW drop tanks.

Iron Mike probably just ran an "instant mission" to get a couple of fast pics and the game assigned that loadout.

Happens to me all the time. Fortunately as a 3dz'er with superior mental abilities I REMEMBER TO DROP THE TANKS before taking the screen shot.

You know these artistic types. They spend their younger days trying out "unusual substances" and now 40 years later they're paying the price.

Duh.......Stoners man , takes one to know one.....


Who said that?


It was actually a brain cramp that caused the use of the stock tank in the jpg. I was just sooo amazed at the beauty of the model and skin that I was overcome with emotion and it the capture key a few times , from different angles etc.

Hi Guys,

No problem but the Mossie is the first plane I have come across with tailor made "conformal" tanks if you exclude the wierd belly tanks on the Me110 and Spitfire. Bit like the slipper tanks that were on the Buccaneer and the "FAST" packs on the Strike Eagle. Probably gave a lot less drag I guess.

Cheers,

Pete

Update...

The Wooden Wonder is nearing completion of the base model. Ray (the wonder of the Virginia Shore) has finished my many, many, many.... tweaks and I am ready to paint the squadron. Hopefully it will be an early Christmas present to the community.

IM

Hi Guys,

Sounds good to me. As I recall the stock Mossie is a B Mk IV which would normally have operated in daylight without fighter cover early on due to its speed advantage, but then switched to night bombing together with the later bomber versions once the Fw 190 appeared making it rather more vulnerable, so replacing that with the FB Mk VI opens up a lot of options. Of course with the much improved ground targets now available on EAW including realistic ships, the the Coastal Command variants are perhaps tempting with their different overwing roundels with the thin white ring and red codes, not to mention the small number of so called "Tse Tse" FB Mk XVIII with the 6 pounder 57mm Molins gun, which might appeal to Ray, as might the dedicated night fighter versions.

Pete

4 Mosquitos from 605 Squadron

6 more are finished

Nice work Ray and Mike on the model and skins.

Sorry to say guys, but the Mossie has always disappointed me in EAW, not from the model point of view, but the way is behaves in the game.

It never uses it's speed advantage, and tend to be sitting ducks, which they never where.

good job with this long awaited hr version blokes...
i'm not normally a riveter, however a couple of
things are noticeable....

underside paint job usually extended up to the wing
roots level, nose tip to tail bulge...



in pic 3 the prop spinners appear undersized and not
flushing with the engine cowls...as in pic 1.. can
this be fixed?

i'm sure if this were a german plane you'd have heard
from fran by now....

The paint job will be up to Mike to fix.

The spinner problem is probably just a "normals" recalculation. I'll take a look.

Hi Ray

Any plans to do a proper Bomber version?

Shouldn't be too much to do. Probably more of a skinning issue and a few 3dz tweaks.

I'd need some pics to work from ( Peter????? )

"underside paint job usually extended up to the wing
roots level, nose tip to tail bulge..."
A. K.



So shall it be written,
So shall it be done oh great one...

I was using an illustration that showed the camo as it is done on the skin. But having found another book with a photo of a 605 mossie, the camo is wrong and the codes appear to be red not sky.

Here you go Ray, three different Bomber versions for you to look at.

De Havilland Mosquito NF.XIX.[Walk Around]
http://depositfiles.com/files/o0u7zrtio

De Haviland DH.98 Mosquito [Walk Around]
http://turbobit.net/t7e5ay7333la.html

De Haviland B.35 Mosquito [Walk Around]
http://turbobit.net/nl4gq2oqzfvu.html

How does this look?

Hi Mike,Ray,

Mike - As far as I know only Coastal Command used red codes so I am a bit dubious about that - I will dig around.

Ray - email will be sent later tonight hopefully - depends which bomber version you want!

Cheers

Pete

OK Mike, this will confuse matters!

http://www.rafweb.org/SqnMark605-607.htm#605

http://www.sas1946.com/main/index.php/topic,10375.0.html







Take your Pick.

Screw this,

I'll send a single skin to Talley-Ho and then put it on a back burner and do another squadron later, next year maybe. I'll find another project instead of the Mossie.

I've got a bit of data on Number 305, a Czech Squadron, defintely a day unit. So, the Sky codes will work. But, I'm going to
move away from this project for the time being.

The matter is closed.

You're very close michaelangelo don't quit now and pay
no attention to the plethora of useless profiles......just switch
squadrons to 627, all of 627 squadron's mosquitos were bomber
versions (B) Mk IV's and carried the red code prefix AZ-A, B, C,
D, E...onwards and serial no's started at DZ601 upwards.......to
645 or so, there were lower serials, but not worth considering
as they were all lost by 1943......





DH-98 Mosquito
british model prefixes usually denoting roles:

PR Mk * photo recon
NF Mk * nightfighter
B Mk * bomber
F Mk * fighter
FB Mk * fighter/bomber
TR Mk * torpedo bomber
TT/T Mk * tug/trainer

Hi Ade.

That is a bomber version not a Fighter/Fighter Bomber.

you're being less than helpful gibbo...
read the model prefixes again!

Ok guys,

Before you come to blows I must apologize for messing up the research somewhat. The answer is this:-

Initially all Mosquitos night fighters were black all over but before long they had camo uppersurfaces and black undersurfaces. The bombers follow the same pattern and apparently so did the specialist night intruders. Unfortunately, by 1944 the RAF had decided like the Luftwaffe that black undersurfaces did not actually work too well so they reverted to standard Medium Sea Grey. I had wrongly assumed that the same would happen to the intruders, not having any pics of 605 so suggested that to Mike on the basis that it fit the usual criteria namely UK based, not Coastal Command and it was the only Squadron I could find matching serials and codes.

I have now looked up the RAF official paint specs for 1944 and it seems that although the night fighters changed, the bombers and intruders retained the black finish with red codes, which seems a bit strange but there we are. I have already apologised to Mike for the extra work it will cause him - my fault entirely.

I can see two solutions - keep 605 with black unders and red codes - the serials would remain black, and/or alternatively change to another squadron that was mainly used in daylight, keep sky codes and forget the serials. One choice would be Percy Pickard's 487 code EG as used in Operation Jericho.

I think it would be better if I say no more.

Mea Culpa,

Pete

Hi Ade.

From various sites the story of 605 Squadron looks like this.

A new No. 605 squadron was formed at RAF Ford on 7 June 1942, equipped with Douglas Boston and Havocs in the intruder role. These were replaced with de Havilland Mosquitoes from February 1943 and it continued to operate this type until the end of the war, moving to Belgium in March 1945 and the Netherlands in April. The squadron disbanded by being re-numbered to No. 4 Squadron RAF on 31 August 1945 at Volkel Air Base..

605 squadron operated with the bomber streams to counter German night fighters. Medium Sea Grey/Dark Green uppers with Black undersides and a black nose.

7 June 1942 15 March 1943 RAF Ford, Sussex Second formation
15 March 1943 6 October 1943 RAF Castle Camps, Cambridgeshire
6 October 1943 7 April 1944 RAF Bradwell Bay, Essex
7 April 1944 21 November 1944 RAF Manston, Kent
21 November 1944 15 March 1945 RAF Hartford Bridge, Hampshire

De Havilland Mosquito NF.II: Feb 1943
DZ691; DZ714; DZ716 (UP-L); DZ717; DZ723; DZ724 (UP-S)

De Havilland Mosquito FB.VI: Jun 1943
HJ761 (UP-P); HJ766; HJ767 (UP-G); HJ768 (UP-Q);
HJ775 (UP-U); HJ776 (UP-E); HJ778 (UP-A); HJ779 (UP-L); HJ780 (UP-X); HJ785 (UP-T);
HJ808 (UP-O); HJ827 (UP-K); HR152 (UP-S); HR203 (UP-V); HR205 (UP-A); HR206 (UP-M);
HR349 (UP-W); HR363 (UP-U); MM414 (UP-Y); MM429 (UP-H); NS838 (UP-J); NS876 (UP-P);
NS880 (UP-M); NS914 (UP-X); PZ349 (UP-A); PZ381 (UP-K); RS567 (UP-S); RS678 (UP-T);
SZ967 (UP-U); SZ993 (UP-A); TA112 (UP-O); TA117 (UP-Y); TA383 (UP-

FB.VI — Currently under rebuild in the main hangar 605 Squadron markings 'UP-G'
http://www.airport-data.com/aircraft/photo/612217.html

http://www.airport-data.com/aircraft/photo/612216L.html

NB: From what I've read the Grey undersides are early deliveries, or replacement aircraft. All machines would have been painted in the standard Night Intruder Black undersides quite quickly, hence the two schemes.

Please note: The proper Night Fighter II version should have the Radar antenna.

8-bit...

The 8-bit Glide version of this skin has a couple of rendering problems. I will be trying to correct them with the mentoring of Col.Gibbons . In the mean time, the 24bit full color is ready to go.

Yes, we will be going, where no Mike has ever gone before.