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#3432157 - 11/11/11 05:23 PM Dambusters bouncing back
Moggy EAW Old Timer Hotshot Registered: 08/27/00 Posts: 5750 Loc: A slit trench at RAF Gravesend	"For many years, we have been told that the raid on the dams on the Ruhr and the Eder has been wrongly celebrated, and that despite the ingenuity of the bouncing bombs and the undeniable bravery of the RAF aircrew, the operation was more of a propaganda coup than something that really hurt the German war effort. The dams were quickly rebuilt, industrial output wasn't that badly affected, German morale was not dented - so the argument goes. Such an analysis was doubtless a reaction to the tub-thumping presentation of the raid, especially that conveyed in the 1955 film, starring Michael Redgrave. For some historians, such as Max Hastings, the raid 'contributed little of substance and a great deal of moral force to the Allied cause at a hard and bitter time'. This is the fashionably revisionist view, but as you shall see tonight, Holland argues that the Dam Busters revisionists have got it wrong. The raid was in fact a triumph, and did an enormous amount of damage. After studying the German archives, Holland shows that: ...not only were two major dams completely destroyed, so too were seven railway bridges, eighteen road bridges, four water turbine power stations and three steam turbine power stations, while in the Ruhr Valley alone, eleven factories were completely destroyed and a further 114 damaged, many severely. Vast tracts of land had also been devastated by the tidal waves that had thundered up to eighty miles from the dams. Such damage can hardly be considered "little of substance". Furthermore, Holland completely skewers the argument that as the dams were quickly rebuilt, the damage was therefore not that great. The whole point of their swift reconstruction "underlines just how important they were to Germany", and the men and material required had to be diverted from elsewhere..." http://www.newstatesman.com/blogs/guy-walters/2011/11/history-raid-holland-busters Moggy DCM Edited by Moggy (11/11/11 05:23 PM) _________________________ RAF Chattenden The Gen Home of the EAW Code Group
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#3433385 - 11/13/11 04:58 PM Re: Dambusters bouncing back [Re: Moggy]
Moggy EAW Old Timer Hotshot Registered: 08/27/00 Posts: 5750 Loc: A slit trench at RAF Gravesend	I've got this on the sky+ to watch. It's available on the BBC iPlayer for the next six days: http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b0175nh1 Moggy DCM _________________________ RAF Chattenden The Gen Home of the EAW Code Group
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#3433548 - 11/14/11 12:31 AM Re: Dambusters bouncing back [Re: Moggy]
MrJelly Hotshot Registered: 04/30/02 Posts: 5856 Loc: Caux L'Herault, France	I have installed a hack named "Expat Shield" which generates a false IP address which is English. I can turn it on or off. When it is on I can see the BBC iPlayer stuff, even some current TV, here in the South of France. Normally the BBC iPlayer stuff is not available if you are located outside the UK. The hack needs to be turned off when I am on GameRanger Jel _________________________ Install 1.28E (XP/Vista/Win7) and fly online or off with it. The best EAW online games are at GameRanger: http://www.gameranger.com/ Downloads from my site: My new webpage Teamspeak 3 channel: 62.48.74.45:8769 Now you can join a running game, and even use a second controller
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#3434843 - 11/15/11 04:26 PM Re: Dambusters bouncing back [Re: Moggy]
Moggy EAW Old Timer Hotshot Registered: 08/27/00 Posts: 5750 Loc: A slit trench at RAF Gravesend	I have heard of such things Moggy DCM _________________________ RAF Chattenden The Gen Home of the EAW Code Group
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