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#3430721 - 11/10/11 05:21 AM
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Aircraft pr0n openly available. And my Nieuport 11 build is going much slower than I like!
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#3430723 - 11/10/11 05:24 AM
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#3430726 - 11/10/11 05:31 AM
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WOW, where is this at ? I want to go and check this out. Awesome planes.
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#3430735 - 11/10/11 05:38 AM
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Very interesting! Just checked out the site. Here's the link if anyone is interested. Pick me up one while you're browsing, please. http://www.airdromeaeroplanes.com/
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#3430740 - 11/10/11 05:45 AM
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[Re: Dart]
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Maybe life expectancy isn't that much different from what it would have been 95 years ago. 
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#3430778 - 11/10/11 06:30 AM
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Maybe life expectancy isn't that much different from what it would have been 95 years ago. They don't care ! none of them will be still alive in 5 years !
Edited by kaa (11/10/11 06:31 AM)
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#3430824 - 11/10/11 07:18 AM
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I'd be surprised if the Camel can take off with that guy in it... LMAO...Yeah. Could do with cutting down a bit on the pork pies lol. Not sure I'd feel safe with a 300lb behemoth in a two seater either, the aircraft CoG could be catastrophically compromised!  Good vid Dart, enjoyed it.  If I ever win the Euro Millions lottery I swear it will be the death of me. Epitaph: (after a tragic DRI 'pigeon strike' incident, mid immelmann) 'Here lies one whose name is writ in castor oil.
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#3430838 - 11/10/11 07:28 AM
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I should have lost enough weight by now to fly one of those DVII's safely. Now where's my checkbook? 
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#3430857 - 11/10/11 07:49 AM
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Very cool, makes me want to boot up Rise of Flight now. So many sims, so little time.
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#3430946 - 11/10/11 09:25 AM
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I'm excited just watching that video - albeit with a slight feeling of jealousy. That's just so awesome to live the dream. Good on you Dart for being involved with something so amazing, and dare I say majestic.
I'd be happy just to be on the video production team. Lots of beautiful shots. The behind the pilot view in the DR1 was my favorite among a bunch of favorite shots. BEAUTIFUL. Thanks for sharing.
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#3430972 - 11/10/11 09:54 AM
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Very cool...
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#3431000 - 11/10/11 10:25 AM
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Wow!
Build time is about 400 hours. Many models are full scale. Cost for a Sopwith Camel full scale is about $14K minus engine, instruments, and inspections.
This is a steal!
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#3431174 - 11/10/11 01:31 PM
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Actually 14k is one hell of a good price compared to what a lot of the current kit planes are going for, and they are also minus engine and instruments. Some of the current crop of kits can run to as much as 100k very easily by the time you get them completely finished.
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#3431226 - 11/10/11 02:35 PM
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that would be very cool
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#3431311 - 11/10/11 04:21 PM
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So Dart, you're getting one of these ones? If so, that's excellent. Are you making it yourself? The prices shown are incredibly reasonable, although im sure the hidden costs add up. What scheme are you going for?
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#3431414 - 11/10/11 06:43 PM
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Wow those are beautiful. All the best on the build Dart. You're going to have to share some pics!
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#3431447 - 11/10/11 07:34 PM
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[quote=Freycinet] Epitaph: (after a tragic DRI 'pigeon strike' incident, mid immelmann) 'Here lies one whose name is writ in castor oil.
'He reached for the sky, made a triplane fly, But sadly died, and this is why; Forgot left rudder, the silly bugger and now the twonk is six feet under'.
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#3431452 - 11/10/11 07:41 PM
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[quote=Freycinet] Epitaph: (after a tragic DRI 'pigeon strike' incident, mid immelmann) 'Here lies one whose name is writ in castor oil.
'He reached for the sky, made a triplane fly, But sadly died, and this is why; Forgot left rudder, the silly bugger and now the twonk is six feet under'.
Known unto Frog*. ------------------------------ *The Frog that knoweth no fear. Beautuful..sniff..nearly brought a tear to me eye. I'm actually sobbing, and a little afraid..
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#3431535 - 11/10/11 11:34 PM
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Very cool Dart.  Wheels
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#3431654 - 11/11/11 05:34 AM
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My little Nieuport 11 will run about 13.5 K USD when finished. Here's the fuselage pushed out of the way in my "work shop" so I can have room for the build table for the wings.  Tailfeathers are done, btw; they're not on because of space. One lower wing framed up. Not bad for starting back in August! Btw, the guy in the Camel frame speaks volumes to the accident rates of Experimental aircraft. The stats show it's not the guy that builds the plane that wrecks it - it's the second and third owners. That Camel is going to be adjusted in weight, balance, and ground trim for him, just as mine is to me. Now let's say we swapped planes. I run about 140 pounds, and he runs a hundred pounds more than that. His Camel will be tail heavy (a bad thing) and mine would be nose heavy (not good).
Edited by Dart (11/11/11 05:49 AM)
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#3431676 - 11/11/11 06:17 AM
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Sweet, hope you keep posting progress photo`s. Thanks for sharing. That is one awesome deal on the plane. Is that including the engine ?
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#3431703 - 11/11/11 07:06 AM
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Can't get over the prices. Gonna do this some day.
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#3431805 - 11/11/11 09:19 AM
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Frogive the stupid question, but how does one test the center of gravity on a full sized plane? It's not like building RC aircraft where you can make a jig (or in a pinch your fingers should the craft be small enough) and determine where the CoG is.
BTW: Will you be putting Pretty Kitty colours on the Neup?
Edited by knightgames (11/11/11 09:19 AM)
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#3431949 - 11/11/11 12:24 PM
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Sweet, hope you keep posting progress photo`s. Thanks for sharing. That is one awesome deal on the plane. Is that including the engine ? Yeah, 13.5 is with engine and prop. Rule of thumb is to take half the cost of the airframe and put it in front of the firewall..I might go 14 grand for it. The kit is 8K complete - including fabric through first coat. One has to supply the seat, brakes (if desired), gun, instruments and engine (and final paint). If you go to the EAA forums under the Homebuilders area there's a blow-by-blow of the build, from pile of tubing to plane (well, as much as I have now). Paint will be three color camouflage, like most of the early N11's were. [edit] CG is determined using three scales - one under each of the mains and one at the tail (lifted to flight aspect). Since the distance from the reference point is known, the moments from it can be calculated and hence the CG.
Edited by Dart (11/11/11 12:26 PM)
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#3432006 - 11/11/11 01:29 PM
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I'm astounded by how reasonable the pricing is Dart, actually thought it would be a lot more! Nice progress btw, looking good.  Anyone hear how Womenflys Piper Cub build is going? Never see her around anymore these days.
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#3432070 - 11/11/11 02:57 PM
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That's why they import the Airdrome Eindecker to the UK - way less expensive than Euroland kits.
Last I heard she's in CAD mode with her take on the Cub plans...
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#3432222 - 11/11/11 07:57 PM
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I'm jealous, Dart. NICE! Cant' wait to see it finished and you sitting in it with a big grin on your face!
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#3432276 - 11/11/11 09:42 PM
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CG is determined using three scales - one under each of the mains and one at the tail (lifted to flight aspect). Since the distance from the reference point is known, the moments from it can be calculated and hence the CG.
Ahhhh. Okay. I had never seen or read about it. I couldn't imagine any sort of balancing device. That just seemed stupid - which in turn got me curious. Thanks Dart.
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#3432695 - 11/12/11 03:36 PM
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race teams buy a system with 4 pads to measure each corner...similarly important to keep weight low and balanced for best cornering
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