You are a moderator and tester for ED.

A vocal minority..... Maybe you should downplay things some more....

Just answer me this, why were we not told?
Where is the changelog?

You are a moderator and tester for ED.

A vocal minority..... Maybe you should downplay things some more. 100+ page thread is pretty conducive to ED stirring the pot.

Customer service......

Nil in this instance.

Seems to be a difference in what you are saying and reality.

A lot of people who said they are happy to pay have also said they are not entirely happy with the way ED went about it.

Just answer me this, why were we not told?

Anyway, all of this has been said again and again - do we need to keep going in circles?

I thought I made it clear that I would not be discussing the BS2 release?

Ohhh and GGhost.... IF viper can deflate his ego, i think you will find he owes you some scotch.

Viper pretty much sums it up, happy to talk about anything and everything DCS/ED related....apart from BS2!

...and this is in a thread called "Black Shark 2 Released - DCS A-10C Patch News" - It's hardly off-topic!

Well that depends - are you gonna stop moaning now? And no, Ego has nothing to do with this and I would request that if you do have something personal to address to me, then do it via PM and not on an open forum - I would of thought that it is the very least that you can do to conform with common decency and a modicum of respect. I am honestly getting tired of these veiled attempts at 'personal attacks', even more so after you were requested by an admin of these very boards to cease.

Common sense - Yes, most definitely.

what do you think of the rest of my post ? Any comments ?......

yourgoodself that does not contain a BS moan/rant. Let's see how long you can keep it up for.

With that, I bid you adieu

Something like that may have gone down very well. It would have for me. (And it took me 2 minutes to write)

@Paradaz: What information are you looking for?

Now all I'm seeing are words and sentences from ED and the mods such as 'hoped', 'ambition', 'never promised' and that its actually 'our own fault'. That's not ideal from a company that really should have had this planned a little more thorough. If I'm way off the mark here then so be it, but the reason I may off on a tangent is because I have no information, proof or official communication that says otherwise and I'm using common-sense as a base for how a modular, 9 month cycle per platform simulator release could have/should have worked.

Pretty much what 'bogusheadbox' said in his last post, information regarding the changelog, there is no way on Earth ED haven't got one, confirmation of whether BS1 will get a final patch to fix any outstanding issues etc. I've asked the question before on these forums and from yourself or Ethereal is a reply based on your own opinion which doesn't really confirm it or not.

Considering that I bought DCS BS on release, did the beta purchase with A10 etc, I'm really interested as to what I'm really getting for my upgrade money. I essentially bought the new engine with DCS A10, I bought and have flown BS so I'm keen to see the full list of additions to see (in my mind) whether it's really worth the money when I have already paid for approximately 95% of BS2 already. No-one else can answer that for me, so I'd like to see for myself and make the judgement call of whether I think it will be of real value.

I think the biggest issue in this whole thing is that up until now the announcements from ED regarding patches, updates and the DCS modules have been communicated very well, so a lot of people are wondering why this came out of the blue like it did. I mean, lets be honest here, ED would have known at quite an early stage that the work required was a lot more than anticipated/planned for and the update would have to be payware....it's not like this was something they only decided on 2 weeks ago, so why the radio silence and why are they so seemingly reluctant to give us some information. Considering a changelog has being part of every update they've ever done so far if I remember correctly and often well in advance of the actual release is the reason it's a surprise to a lot of people.

Like bogushead's post about them publishing some info, it wouldn't have taken much and would undoubtedly have stopped a lot of people including myself from even having to question their integrity. It seems like ED are unsure of how the future of these modules are going to pan out based on this upgrade release and the fact that they have stated they'd like to see it done better in future. For a developer that has additional plans for the series, it sounds to me like they're really struggling with the way forward and I can't believe it wasn't blue-printed properly with a good, achievable plan in place.

Now, although I'm an IT Systems Integration Engineer and I know the various processes that software developement goes through, I also know that things can go wrong, things can be under-estimated and problems can change the direction of a product, however I don't claim and never have that it gives any foresight into games/simulators etc but I can't really believe that ED haven't or hadn't mapped this out properly in DCS BS's design based on their claim to be making a simulator that would have additional modules as future releases.
The obvious route is to create the engine (the first being the one which hosted BS) and add the platforms as modules but this obviously isn't the way they are doing it based on what has happened with the complete overhaul for A10c. It's the same reason why myself and many others on these boards and the ED boards are questioning how the other modules will integrate in the future because it doesn't take the brains of an arch-bishop to realise that if future modules replicate what has happened with this first integration upgrade/release it's going to be a very expensive way of business because every single module that exists will need a whole load of work done on it to be compatible with the associated engine overhaul.

Yeah, $20 for a BS upgrade is nothing, but that will rise sharply when BS3 is required, A10c v2 and DCS [F18 or whatever] needs updating for the next platform and engine.......and from your own words many times over, no-one should expect the work to be done for free. Personally, I'd expect the engine to be the bulk of the complexity, with the platforms being the modules and require minimal tweaking to integrate each release. For what was originally pencilled in as a 9 month schedule per platform, that's surely the only way it could have been done.

Now all I'm seeing are words and sentences from ED and the mods such as 'hoped', 'ambition', 'never promised' and that its actually 'our own fault'. That's not ideal from a company that really should have had this planned a little more thorough. If I'm way off the mark here then so be it, but the reason I may off on a tangent is because I have no information, proof or official communication that says otherwise and I'm using common-sense as a base for how a modular, 9 month cycle per platform simulator release could have/should have worked.

I'm really interested as to what I'm really getting for my upgrade money.