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#3412158 - 10/17/11 11:24 AM Best tools/material for my first project?/Shifter Mount
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Ok, so I decided today that I don't like how shifter currently mounts to my fantec turbo S wheel, and my playseats gear-shift mount only gets the job half done. To quote Clarkson (Jeremy, not Kelly) "I need a Hammer!" Smash

That said, after consulting google for solutions, the following came up on fanatecs forum page:







No dimensions were given, or instructions.

No biggie though, it's about time I manned up and took on a project like this anyway. smile Also, I'm spending the next couple weeks in Job interview feedback limbo, so this should pass the time nicely. In addition, I'd like to tacked a custom flight box for my desk, and an ACES seat next, so this should be some nice practice for those projects.

So here's my plan o' attack:

1. Spec out the proper materials to build the final mount from. It appears that the gent who posted that used particle board, but didn't post the thickness. Thoughts on other materials or the thickness that would combine a nice cross section of stability vs. ease of construction? After establishing the final build material, I'll also pick up foam board that matches it in thickness, to use for proto-typing.

2. Purchase any tools needed for the project. As of right now, I own:
-A power drill with key-less chuck
-An off-brand rotary tool that accepts basic dremel/generic rotary attachments.
-A Reciprocating saw
-Various Exacto/hobby knives and tools (screw drivers, pliers, clamps, etc.)

So what am I missing? I have a birthday coming up, so Power tool purchases are in-play. I'm a green-horn at these projects, but bearing in mind projects down the road, like the ACES seat and flight box, and I don't mind investing in something that can be used at a later date. Thoughts?

3. Build and experiment. Right now I plan to add some features to the mount like cable management and a storage compartment for the wireless dongle used with PC/PS3. Maybe even a cup-holder biggrin

Thanks guys!



Edited by AggressorBLUE (10/17/11 11:29 AM)
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#3412265 - 10/17/11 01:31 PM Re: Best tools/material for my first project?/Shifter Mount [Re: AggressorBLUE]
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IMVHO, 1/2" MDF (or a bit thinner) would be enough thickness for strength.
Strips from the material can be cut at the shop where you buy it. (mm or 1/16th inch accurate?)
A hand saw should give you a straighter and cleaner cut. (i.e. Stanley jet cut with fine toothing)
You'll need a file to round the edges off a bit.
Cardboard can be used for prototyping and possibly copying shapes from the shifter onto the wood.
Strips with the width of the shifter(s) can be placed in between the sides to increase stability, by creating a box shape.

If you plan to use dowels, there are tools that make that task easier.

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#3413649 - 10/19/11 05:37 AM Re: Best tools/material for my first project?/Shifter Mount [Re: AggressorBLUE]
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Judging from the pictures, it appears that he used 3/4" particle board. And judging from three of the pics where there's a jigsaw in the background, I'd guess that he used a jigsaw to cut it.

I agree with JAMF on the material selection. 1/2" MDF would be more than strong enough for a shifter mount. They should be able to cut it up into more manageable sizes for you at whatever home improvement store you get it from.

If you want to go the powertool route and not the hand tool route as JAMF suggested (and save yourself an aching back and arm but up the potential for lost fingers), grab yourself a cheap jigsaw. THIS is the saw that I picked up from Home Depot for $40. It's done stellar work on my cockpit project. Get the blades for the finer cutting, keep the speed medium to low and be patient when cutting.

Just remember to keep account of where your spare hand is AT ALL TIMES. You could easily forget that you're grabbing a board right near where the cut needs to be, and slice right through your fingers on the underside of the board. That nearly happened to my buddy who was helping me with my pit. I was so concentrated on getting the line laser-straight that I wasn't paying attention to where his hand was. He moved it just in time, right before I was about cut off one of his fingers!

That said, my jigsaw is my favorite tool now. My only other options when cutting before I got it were my circular saw and my reciprocating saw, or "Sawz-all". Neither of which will give you anywhere near the dexterity needed for projects like this.

If you're planning on doing more than one of these kinds of projects, I'd recommend learning to use Google SketchUp. It's a very simple to learn 3D modeling program, and I've used it to prototype everything in my pit build so far. I find it much easier to just start going at it in SketchUp. In 30 minutes I have a good idea of how everything's going to look and fit together, and with another hour of perfecting and refining you've got all the measurements you need to start drawing on your materials IRL. Hell, SketchUp has become so easy to use for me now, I started modeling my garage and everything in it just because I'm thinking of rearranging the place.

If you don't want to learn SketchUp, I'd recommend cardboard as a prototyping material. Glue a few sheets together to reach your desired thickness and go to town with it. Eventually, when I get far enough in my pit build, I'll be prototyping the pit's enclosure in cardboard.
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#3415014 - 10/20/11 09:30 PM Re: Best tools/material for my first project?/Shifter Mount [Re: Renic]
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Originally Posted By: Renic
Judging from the pictures, it appears that he used 3/4" particle board. And judging from three of the pics where there's a jigsaw in the background, I'd guess that he used a jigsaw to cut it.

I agree with JAMF on the material selection. 1/2" MDF would be more than strong enough for a shifter mount. They should be able to cut it up into more manageable sizes for you at whatever home improvement store you get it from.

If you want to go the powertool route and not the hand tool route as JAMF suggested (and save yourself an aching back and arm but up the potential for lost fingers), grab yourself a cheap jigsaw. THIS is the saw that I picked up from Home Depot for $40. It's done stellar work on my cockpit project. Get the blades for the finer cutting, keep the speed medium to low and be patient when cutting.

Just remember to keep account of where your spare hand is AT ALL TIMES. You could easily forget that you're grabbing a board right near where the cut needs to be, and slice right through your fingers on the underside of the board. That nearly happened to my buddy who was helping me with my pit. I was so concentrated on getting the line laser-straight that I wasn't paying attention to where his hand was. He moved it just in time, right before I was about cut off one of his fingers!

That said, my jigsaw is my favorite tool now. My only other options when cutting before I got it were my circular saw and my reciprocating saw, or "Sawz-all". Neither of which will give you anywhere near the dexterity needed for projects like this.

If you're planning on doing more than one of these kinds of projects, I'd recommend learning to use Google SketchUp. It's a very simple to learn 3D modeling program, and I've used it to prototype everything in my pit build so far. I find it much easier to just start going at it in SketchUp. In 30 minutes I have a good idea of how everything's going to look and fit together, and with another hour of perfecting and refining you've got all the measurements you need to start drawing on your materials IRL. Hell, SketchUp has become so easy to use for me now, I started modeling my garage and everything in it just because I'm thinking of rearranging the place.

If you don't want to learn SketchUp, I'd recommend cardboard as a prototyping material. Glue a few sheets together to reach your desired thickness and go to town with it. Eventually, when I get far enough in my pit build, I'll be prototyping the pit's enclosure in cardboard.


I just downloaded Sketchup, seems worth the time investment, as I see pit builders use it all the time to post plans. I actually found my late grandfathers Jigsaw the other day, and to my surprise, it worked! It uses a standard U-shank, so i figure I'll give that a go.

For Cutting with the jigsaw, do you just lay the wood down on horses and let the part your cutting hang over?
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#3417405 - 10/24/11 11:14 AM Re: Best tools/material for my first project?/Shifter Mount [Re: AggressorBLUE]
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Originally Posted By: AggressorBLUE
For Cutting with the jigsaw, do you just lay the wood down on horses and let the part your cutting hang over?

That's how I do it, but I'm by no means anywhere near an expert.
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#3417453 - 10/24/11 12:14 PM Re: Best tools/material for my first project?/Shifter Mount [Re: Renic]
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Originally Posted By: Renic
Originally Posted By: AggressorBLUE
For Cutting with the jigsaw, do you just lay the wood down on horses and let the part your cutting hang over?

That's how I do it, but I'm by no means anywhere near an expert.


Get four carpenter clamps to hold the pieces in place. They make the job much easier.

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#3418822 - 10/26/11 06:19 AM Re: Best tools/material for my first project?/Shifter Mount [Re: AggressorBLUE]
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Yeah that 3/4 inch looks way too thick.

You should also look at shelving material. the stuff that has colored laminate on each side, like black.

I would also get an adjustable square.


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