I've used the mission editor in every sim I have with a boat to create piles of carrier ops missions, in IL2 1946, Jane's F/A-18 (night foul weather ops), FSX (defaults), X-Plane, Strike Fighters 2, and Lock On FC2.
Here's hoping the next DCS offering is the F/A-18C with the best carrier ops ever. Active deck traffic, IFLOLS, LSO, rolling, pitching deck, the works!
And Rise of Flight needs to cover the birth of Naval Aviation, maybe even get into those Glen Curtiss years on Keuka Lake!
Here's a couple of Fleet Air Arm pics from IL2 1946. That's a Supermarine Seafire F Mk.III launching and trapping aboard HMS Illustrious. The battlewagon trailing is HMS Duke of York.
All right virtual Naval Aviators, let's see what ya got!
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That's funny you mentioned Glenn Curtiss and his early flights on Keuka lake, Rick. My parents live about 20 minutes away from Hammondsport now, and I've been to the Glenn Curtiss museum up there several times- lots of cool stuff, and I had no idea that the area had so much to do with aviation history.
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That's funny you mentioned Glenn Curtiss and his early flights on Keuka lake, Rick. My parents live about 20 minutes away from Hammondsport now, and I've been to the Glenn Curtiss museum up there several times- lots of cool stuff, and I had no idea that the area had so much to do with aviation history.
Yeah, been there myself many times. I almost volunteered to work in their workshop restoring planes, one of the guys in their shop was trying to talk me into it, but then got distracted by other endeavors.
I used to live on the East Lake Road off Route 54 on Keuka Lake, right on the lake. I miss that.
I caught some nice trout in that lake. We used to night fish off the bluff and catch some pretty nice Lake Trout, which aren't really trout, they're a type of char. We'd sit out there in the boat and drink beer and eat KFC all night while we fished. You have to fish about 110 feet down in the summer. We used sawbellies with a slip sinker.
Got some nice rainbows and browns out of there too. There are some gigantic browns down on the Hammondsport end, I mean world record gigantic. You get those in about 30 feet of water in the Hammondsport end.
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Nice pics, to bad I get seasick .
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The Seafire trap looked a bit low. You caught #1 wire, and should be aiming for somewhere nearer #3.
Otherwise cool, like nav-ops.
LOL! Yep, that's a one wire. I'm ashamed of myself. I notice I've been doing that a lot lately. I must practice more.
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I used to have a Swordfish for FS2004, but I don't think I have one now in all the mess. It's a great airplane though!
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If you practice, you can land almost any plane in IL2 (except the largest bombers) on the mid-size or full size carriers. I do this all the time on Xfire and Hyperlobby open pit servers when I get low on fuel cause people will follow you to vulch on landing, so I land everything on carriers which have powerful AAA. Most planes can be brought in at about 160 kph with full landing flaps and no gear down. Except the FW series which always skid right (and which you counter with left rudder), everything else does a belly landing fine.
I once held a competition with 21 guys in full real as to who could conduct the most successful landings on the (non-moving) small escort carrier with the F4U-D at 50 percent fuel, with the winner getting 25 bucks. It was a blast with several wave-offs for almost everyone.
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I use to have better luck landing the F4U on the escort carriers without any power. Using a dead stick was a great way to bleed off speed but you needed to start high enough so that you wouldn't get too slow and stall. I haven't done it for some time so I am sure the back of the carrier and I would be getting well acquainted for a while.
How about some Jimmy Dolittle carrier ops? Anyone up for flying a B-25 off an Essex class carrier?
Well, there sits the big pig. I'm not sure that I'm in love with this idea.
Uh oh, I've got this terrible sinking feeling.
Hey! We got the tail damp, but we made it!
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I'm a big fan of carrier flight ops in games too. I was trying out Falcon BMS yesterday and couldn't resist doing the F-14 carrier landing training mission. Put her down on the first try. Wish I had some screens of it.
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How about some Jimmy Dolittle carrier ops? Anyone up for flying a B-25 off an Essex class carrier?
Well, there sits the big pig. I'm not sure that I'm in love with this idea.
Uh oh, I've got this terrible sinking feeling.
Hey! We got the tail damp, but we made it!
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The Lexington and Saratago give you a little more deck length to play with if this is IL-2. Nice job though, it's tough taking off from a carrier in that plane in IL-2 in the number one spot. Using the number 4 spot in a 4 plane squadron gives you a little more leeway. That is the most I have ever been able to get to take off safely at normal carrier speeds.
The Lexington and Saratago give you a little more deck length to play with if this is IL-2. Nice job though, it's tough taking off from a carrier in that plane in IL-2 in the number one spot. Using the number 4 spot in a 4 plane squadron gives you a little more leeway. That is the most I have ever been able to get to take off safely at normal carrier speeds.Wheels
Yes, but Jimmy Dolittle and company took off from USS Hornet, an Essex class carrier, in B-25B's. I had to use a B-25J, but I did have the Essex class boat. It ain't easy.
Whoa! Bad luck with the bolter Force10!
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The Lexington and Saratago give you a little more deck length to play with if this is IL-2. Nice job though, it's tough taking off from a carrier in that plane in IL-2 in the number one spot. Using the number 4 spot in a 4 plane squadron gives you a little more leeway. That is the most I have ever been able to get to take off safely at normal carrier speeds.Wheels
Yes, but Jimmy Dolittle and company took off from USS Hornet, an Essex class carrier, in B-25B's. I had to use a B-25J, but I did have the Essex class boat. It ain't easy.
Whoa! Bad luck with the bolter Force10!
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You are thinking of CV-12 but CV-8 was the one to launch the Doolittle Raid. CV-8 was a Yorktown class carrier.
USS Hornet CV-8, the seventh ship to carry the name Hornet, was a Yorktown-class aircraft carrier of the United States Navy. During World War II in the Pacific Theater, she launched the Doolittle Raid on Tokyo and participated in the Battle of Midway and the Buin-Faisi-Tonolai Raid. In the Solomon Islands campaign she was involved in the Capture and Defense of Guadalcanal and the Battle of the Santa Cruz Islands where she was irreparably damaged and sunk. Hornet was in service for a year and six days and was the last US fleet carrier ever sunk by enemy fire. For these actions, she was awarded four service stars, a citation for the Doolittle Raid in 1995, and her Torpedo Squadron 8 received a Presidential Unit Citation for extraordinary heroism for the Battle of Midway.
I can't find a flight deck length for them but it looks like the Essex is still closer to the correct length. Overal lengths on the Saratago is 880 feet, the Lexington is and 888 feet and the Essex is 872 feet. The Hornets (CV-8) Overall length was approx 810 feet. Even so all they were allowed was 400 feet to takeoff due to the island.
You are thinking of CV-12 but CV-8 was the one to launch the Doolittle Raid. CV-8 was a Yorktown class carrier.
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You mean it's even worse than I thought? For cryin' out loud, it was hard enough off an Essex!
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You are thinking of CV-12 but CV-8 was the one to launch the Doolittle Raid. CV-8 was a Yorktown class carrier.
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You mean it's even worse than I thought? For cryin' out loud, it was hard enough off an Essex!
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It can't be that hard since one of them did it without using their flaps.
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If I remember correctly, those things were stripped like they left them downtown with the keys in them. They only took the parts needed for the mission and to keep them from falling out through holes, LOL!
What astonishes me is the "We'll figure that out at some point," ideas about landing that they launched with.
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They definitely had stones of steel to go on that mission without knowing for sure they had enough fuel to make it all they way. Another thing that surprised me was how old Doolittle was when he flew the mission.
IIRC the mission was planned and executed in 90 days. I would have to watch the Dollitle Raiders episodes on the Military Channel this afternoon to confirm since that is where I got that information. Could you see trying to plan a mission of that complexity today ?? No way it gets done in 90 days.
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P-80 takeoff from an escort carrier in IL-2 1946. Without mods the blasted carrier only goes 35km so that makes it interesting to try and takeoff. If they could run as fast as the big ones I don't think it would be a challenge. Everything has to go just right or it's Davey Jones Locker for ya.
Mission files are in here. Copy and paste into a .mis file if you want to try.
"What astonishes me is the "We'll figure that out at some point," ideas about landing that they launched with."
Not sure what you mean, S, but you do know they never had any intention of landing them back on the Hornet. They were to continue on to China and join Channault. And yeah, no Essex class carriers in 1942. A year later.
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"What astonishes me is the "We'll figure that out at some point," ideas about landing that they launched with."
Not sure what you mean, S, but you do know they never had any intention of landing them back on the Hornet. They were to continue on to China and join Channault. And yeah, no Essex class carriers in 1942. A year later.
Yeah, I know they were intending to head for China, but if I remember correctly, there was some doubt even before they launched about whether or not they'd make it there. It's been a long time since I read about the Dolittle Raid so I may be remembering wrong.
That P-80 looks like it did a little water-skiing after take-off, LOL!
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"What astonishes me is the "We'll figure that out at some point," ideas about landing that they launched with."
Not sure what you mean, S, but you do know they never had any intention of landing them back on the Hornet. They were to continue on to China and join Channault. And yeah, no Essex class carriers in 1942. A year later.
Yeah, I know they were intending to head for China, but if I remember correctly, there was some doubt even before they launched about whether or not they'd make it there. It's been a long time since I read about the Dolittle Raid so I may be remembering wrong.
That P-80 looks like it did a little water-skiing after take-off, LOL!
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Pretty close. You have to be quick on the landing gear switch or they will drag through the water and flip you in front of the carrier. That doesn't make for a very good morning.
Please ignore the fact that the carrier's hull shows through the water and there don't appear to be any water shaders. Had a desert_data.ini issue that realized at the point I took this shot and fixed.
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I don't recognize the sim that took the second and third screenshot with the Su-33?? I took it for granted that the first one showing the zero was IL-2 1946??
I tried taking off last night in in a thunderstorm with the B-25 and I kept crashing off the side of the ship. I used the escort carrier and the Essex but I couldn't keep the plane from following the roll of the deck. I even tried letting the AI do it and it did worse than me!!! It would have looked cool with the cloud cover and lightning if I had ever made it off the deck and into the air. As it was I kept the search and rescue teams busy.
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I think that towing tractor is about to go for a ride!
ROFLMAO! I didn't notice that. Yeah, I think his life is about to become very exciting!
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There, I've reconfigured the deck for recovery. But now I have to launch from the waist cats. I hate the waist cats. They're not natural.
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I just noticed that the boat isn't moving in those screenshots.
Time to set some waypoints for the Battle Group.
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Length: 97 ft 9 in (29.8 m) Wingspan: 132 ft 7 in (40.4 m) Empty weight: 75,800 lb (34,400 kg) Useful load: 72,000 lb (33,000 kg) Max takeoff weight: 155,000 lb (70,300 kg)
The C-130 is longer, has a wider wingspan and even weighs more empty than the B-17 did with a wartime load.
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Takeoff went just fine but I need to work on the landings....
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Well... if I was a plane and they'd painted me in this camo scheme I'd commit suicide too!
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The C-130 is longer, has a wider wingspan and even weighs more empty than the B-17 did with a wartime load.
One thing to point out though: The C-130 has reverse thrust and an anti-skid system with modern brakes. The B-17 has neither.
Also, why aren't they using C-130s for carrier ops now? I mean, obviously they can't stow them below deck, but to deliver heavy cargo it seems they would be a better alternative to the Greyhound.
Edit: NM, saw this in the Wiki link: "but the idea was considered too risky for routine "Carrier Onboard Delivery" (COD) operations. Instead, the C-2 Greyhound was developed as a dedicated COD aircraft." Still, with modern landing assist technology, I'm surprised this hasn't been revisited. Even if it's not a routine operation, an emergency resupply from a C-130 could be a handy card to keep in an Aircraft carriers deck.
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Still, with modern landing assist technology, I'm surprised this hasn't been revisited. Even if it's not a routine operation, an emergency resupply from a C-130 could be a handy card to keep in an Aircraft carriers deck.
Only problem being, you'd have to have pretty much every bird normally on deck pulled in to the hangar bay- which is impossible, as a full airwing would never fit below decks- or you'd have to have a completely empty deck anyway. And at that point, you might as well have the ship pull into a port and load whatever cargo conventionally by crane, or just by traditional UNREP. Particularly because whatever kind of emergency would require landing 22K- 30K of spare parts/ supplies/ etc in one fell swoop would be pretty darn severe and probably better accomplished by one of the above methods anyway.
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It's CQ Day! It's CQ Day! The Ensigns are barfing their breakfast away! Call your needles and drop that hook, When it's all over you're apt to be shook! So jump in the stack and act like men, And when it's all over we'll do it again!
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And as for you guys with your bombers landing on carriers, why not go completely mad?
"Uh oh! That angle is coming up awfully fast! HIT THE BURNERS NOW!"
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That's a LOT of T-45's on deck- that means a LOT of student pilots... Those poor AB's up on the roof who have to try and shepherd them around- from what I understand it's already like herding cats...
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That's a LOT of T-45's on deck- that means a LOT of student pilots... Those poor AB's up on the roof who have to try and shepherd them around- from what I understand it's already like herding cats...
Cats are like a close order drill team compared to SNAs.
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Still, with modern landing assist technology, I'm surprised this hasn't been revisited. Even if it's not a routine operation, an emergency resupply from a C-130 could be a handy card to keep in an Aircraft carriers deck.
Only problem being, you'd have to have pretty much every bird normally on deck pulled in to the hangar bay- which is impossible, as a full airwing would never fit below decks- or you'd have to have a completely empty deck anyway. And at that point, you might as well have the ship pull into a port and load whatever cargo conventionally by crane, or just by traditional UNREP. Particularly because whatever kind of emergency would require landing 22K- 30K of spare parts/ supplies/ etc in one fell swoop would be pretty darn severe and probably better accomplished by one of the above methods anyway.
Good Point.
Dang.
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Cats are like a close order drill team compared to SNAs.
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I remember spending a couple of hours on Vulture's Row watching the first time we had T-45's running the deck- I've never seen so many pushbacks in such a short time in my entire life. To all you non-Navy types, this is what I'm talking about:
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And one more from another carrier qual just because:
Long live the Tomcat- we always could tell when we were launching or recovering one of those beasts.
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Long live the Tomcat- we always could tell when we were launching or recovering one of those beasts.
Hear hear!
Just curious, what gave away the tomcat ops, were they that much louder than the A6?
Intruders were already out of service before I joined- but in the plants, we could tell the Tomcats on the launch by the strength of the cat shot in terms of changes in reactor plant conditions and water loss. Not to mention if the things were at full load, the entire ship would shudder slightly when they went off the bow. On landing the arresting gear wound out louder and faster than when anything else hit the deck. Anywhere else on the ship, you could tell from the noise- especially the whistle the engines made as they spooled up and down in the pattern.
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Let us not forget as we proceed down the path of our Virtual Naval Aviation hobby that Naval Aviators fly other things too.
Don't neglect the full range of activities!
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Lol, who is going to try and land the Shuttle on an Aircraft Carrier.
Wheels
I'm quite pleased with myself for being able to bring her down through re-entry and land at Kennedy Space Center. I don't think I want to try the tailhook version. It's bad enough at the Shuttle Landing Facility.
By the way, if you don't have Orbiter, you should get it. Best freebie out there, and doesn't take that long to download everything, even the hi-res textures and Project Apollo.
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Lol, who is going to try and land the Shuttle on an Aircraft Carrier.
Wheels
Is there an aircraft carrier available for Orbiter anyway? I haven't found one yet...
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Here's my take at some night carrier ops in BAD weather. I set the weather to "Major thunderstorm" and cranked up the winds. It made for an interesting pass.
As soon as this thing gains enough altitude I'm taking manual control and landing it on a carrier!
Cheers!
Rick...
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LOL! Nice landing Dave! The deck crew must have been nervous.
Here's a challenge for all those who like helicopters. Start at NAS Pensacola in an appropriate helicopter. Head out to sea and use the ship placement utility to put the USNS Patuxent River 5 miles ahead of you underway. Then land on the deck without using a hover system or anything, pure manual.
I nailed it the first three times in a row without a hitch. Lot's of fun if you start getting too good at tailhooking.
I need an SH-60 skin though. I had to borrow a chopper from the Army for these shots.
Cheers!
Rick...
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Anyone know why Seahawks have their tail wheels much more forward than Blackhawks? Does it have to do with flight deck parking, or landing near edges of decks?
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We're gonna need a bigger boat...
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Long live the Tomcat- we always could tell when we were launching or recovering one of those beasts.
Hear hear!
Just curious, what gave away the tomcat ops, were they that much louder than the A6?
Intruders were already out of service before I joined- but in the plants, we could tell the Tomcats on the launch by the strength of the cat shot in terms of changes in reactor plant conditions and water loss. Not to mention if the things were at full load, the entire ship would shudder slightly when they went off the bow. On landing the arresting gear wound out louder and faster than when anything else hit the deck. Anywhere else on the ship, you could tell from the noise- especially the whistle the engines made as they spooled up and down in the pattern.
Wow! Thanks for sharing, I never knew the whole Carrier shuddered like that when sending off an F-14. Puts into perspective how much energy it takes.
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Here's one I just successfully flew, try it, it's challenging.
You're flying for the company and have to get out NOW!
Land Piglet's Helio U-10B Super Courier on the deck of a destroyer off the coast!
If you can do this, you've earned your "Air America" wings!
Cheers!
Rick...
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Wow! That is nice! I'll have to check that out. Thanks Dave!
Cheers!
Rick...
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Dave are those first shots with the Tomcat from FSX (with mods I presume) ?
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Dave are those first shots with the Tomcat from FSX (with mods I presume) ?
1st shot Iris F-14 pro, Javier's carrier, enbseries 2nd shot Same as first 3rd shot Aerosoft SH-60, Javiers carrier, FS water configurator, enbseries 4th shot Cera Bell 412 painted as UH-1N by myself inside Javier's carrier 5th shot Abacus Harrier, unsure of ship i'll have to look it up 6th shot XPlane 9 when i had it. Since sold 7th shot YAP mission for Strike Fighter series
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Here's something you don't see every day; an SH-146F Sea Griffon departs USNS Patuxent near Whidbey Island, WA.
Cheers!
Rick...
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Just bought the Aerosoft Seahawk package (disc version) for FSX that DaveSHQ recommended. Looking forward to that arriving!
Cheers!
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Got my Seahawk today! Once again, thanks DaveSHQ for the recommendation! I have a new favorite in FSX.
This thing is great. AFCS, SAS and all that work very nicely, it's a pleasure to fly. The six ships included with the package are all nice, and the Coast Guard cutter with Jayhawk are a pleasant change of pace.
But my favorite is Javier's USNS Patuxent in forward motion. I guess I'm easily amused by repetitive tasks, but I could bounce the deck of the Pax all the live long day!
If you like helicopters and Naval ops, get this. And make sure you have Javier's carrier package and AICarriers2 (freeware).
Cheers!
Rick...
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Anyone know why Seahawks have their tail wheels much more forward than Blackhawks? Does it have to do with flight deck parking, or landing near edges of decks?
Because the tail on the Seahawk folds, so they needed the tailwheel in front of the hinge line
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Anyone know why Seahawks have their tail wheels much more forward than Blackhawks? Does it have to do with flight deck parking, or landing near edges of decks?
Because the tail on the Seahawk folds, so they needed the tailwheel in front of the hinge line
Unless of course it's an MH 60
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I had to Google it just in case I missed an announcement Rick... Grrr.
Well if it's any consolation tomcat, the Third Wire F-14 sim is coming.
Cheers!
Rick...
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20km from the carrier at an altitude of 4000 meters with no gas in an F4F-3. I knew I didn't have a prayer of making it back to the carrier and landing so I didn't use the quick record (.ntrk) feature. Not only did I make it back I made one of the prettiest landings I have ever made even though it was a little long and I ended up stopping in the middle of the deck next to the island. I saved a standard track (.trk) hoping it might come out OK but no such luck. I should have went with my first thought and clicked the .ntrk button...
Try landing Brett's MD500D on an oil rig amongst the animated cranes in X-Plane 9.
Or perhaps on the moving frigate.
Either one is a good helicopter challenge.
OK, I'm ready for X-Plane 10 and the boxed version of Take On Helicopters.
Cheers!
Rick...
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Originally Posted By: Sauron
You're lucky Wheels, LOL!
Click to reveal..
Want to know if you're a helicopter pilot?
Try landing Brett's MD500D on an oil rig amongst the animated cranes in X-Plane 9.
Or perhaps on the moving frigate.
Either one is a good helicopter challenge.
OK, I'm ready for X-Plane 10 and the boxed version of Take On Helicopters.
Cheers!
Rick...
If you have a few minutes to kill I uploaded the .ntrk as part of my Midway Island QMB pack. Look for the video named Nogas_wc.ntrk in your video list after using the installation program. You will need to be patched up to v4.101m for the QMB pack to work but the .ntrk might be viewable on an earlier version.
A direct link to the download, no need to login to M4T, for a week or so and then I will edit it out of this post. I put it between Spoiler tags to keep the bots from downloading it.
This download uses an auto installer to install the files for you. The default filepath the installer uses is C:\Program Files\Ubisoft\IL-2 Sturmovik 1946. If you need to use a different filepath then direct the install to your IL-2 Sturmovik 1946 folder.
If you want to install the files manually then direct the auto installer to a temporary folder and use the included readme for instructions on where the files are to be placed.
I did not use the Armor or Bridge categories.
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The files in this download should allow you to use the Midway map to generate missions using the QMB. The QMB files were made with v4.10.1m of IL-2 Sturmovik 1946.
Enclosed in this download are the "Midway" and "Midway1" Quick templates for the Midway map, a skin by Beebop for the B-17E, and some Quicks for you to use to familiarize yourself with the "Midway" and "Midway1" QMB templates. On the "Midway" templates the Allies occupy the island and on the "Midway1" templates the Axis forces occupy the island.
There are 14 Quick mission templates in the "Midway" folder. The US occupies Midway Island in the Midway templates.
MidwayBlueAirbasewheelsupcavu00.mis
MidwayBlueNoneAwheelsupcavu00.mis
MidwayBlueNoneDwheelsupcavu00.mis
MidwayBlueNoneNwheelsupcavu00.mis
MidwayBlueScramblewheelsupcavu00.mis
MidwayBlueScramblewheelsupcavu01.mis
MidwayBlueScramblewheelsupcavu02.mis
MidwayRedAirbasewheelsupcavu00.mis
MidwayRedNoneAwheelsupcavu00.mis
MidwayRedNoneAwheelsupcavu01.mis
MidwayRedNoneDwheelsupcavu00.mis
MidwayRedNoneNwheelsupcavu00.mis
MidwayRedScramblewheelsupcavu00.mis
MidwayRedScramblewheelsupcavu01.mis
There are 10 Quick mission templates in the "Midway1" folder. The Japanese occupy the island in the "Midway1" templates.
Midway1BlueAirbasewheelsupcavu00.mis
Midway1BlueNoneAwheelsupcavu00.mis
Midway1BlueNoneDwheelsupcavu00.mis
Midway1BlueNoneNwheelsupcavu00.mis
Midway1BlueScramblewheelsupcavu00.mis
Midway1RedAirbasewheelsupcavu00.mis
Midway1RedNoneAwheelsupcavu00.mis
Midway1RedNoneDwheelsupcavu00.mis
Midway1RedNoneNwheelsupcavu00.mis
Midway1RedScramblewheelsupcavu00.mis
The B-17E skin by Beebop
BBop_ Midway B17E_Generic.bmp
Eight QMB Mission "Quicks" files to use with the new Midway and Midway1 templates plus an "WC_extras" folder that includes this readme, some screenshots, and Beebops Eula/Readme for his skin.
Four QMB Mission "Quicks" files to use with the new Midway templates:
001_Midway_Allies-001_Wcavu.quick
001_Midway_Allies-002_Wcavu.quick
001_Midway_Axis-001_Wcavu.quick
001_Midway_Axis-002_Wcavu.quick
Four QMB Mission "Quicks" files to use with the new Midway1 templates:
002_Midway1_Allies-001_Wcavu.quick
002_Midway1_Allies-002_Wcavu.quick
002_Midway1_Axis-001_Wcavu.quick
002_Midway1_Axis-002_Wcavu.quick
There is an .ntrk and a .trk video file:
Nogas_wc.ntrk (A 9 minute .ntrk that shows a successful ?? dead stick landing onto the carrier.)
Nogas-v4101_wc.trk (The full 28 minute video recorded in v4.10.1m which includes the landing attempt. Do not use "Manual Time Compression" or "Manual View Control" or it will definitely cause the playback to be corrupted.)
Got it! Had to log in, but no problem. It gave me a chance to browse around anyway. I haven't been there in awhile.
Cheers!
Rick...
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Originally Posted By: Sauron
Got it! Had to log in, but no problem. It gave me a chance to browse around anyway. I haven't been there in awhile.
Cheers!
Rick...
Glad to hear you downloaded it. Do you go by Sauron there too ?? I am curious to know if you tried the link I put between the spoiler tags to get the file? That link should have been a direct link to the download allowing you to get the file without logging into the site.
I was able to use the installer on Win7 and so was someone else that tested the installer before I uploaded it. Let me know if you run into any problems and I will help you get them sorted.
Nah, I'm Oubaas over there. I'm Sauron here and at Lockon Files.
Yeah, I tried the link between the spoiler tags but it still wanted me to log in.
Cheers!
Rick...
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Originally Posted By: Sauron
Nah, I'm Oubaas over there. I'm Sauron here and at Lockon Files.
Yeah, I tried the link between the spoiler tags but it still wanted me to log in.
Cheers!
Rick...
Must be allowing me to download the files while logged out since my external IP matches the upload even though I am using a different computer. I will have to turn off my modem and see if getting a new external IP disables the link for me too.
It could be me. My computer doesn't tell the truth and continually churns out bullsh*t. There are a couple of German sites that won't even let me in because they can tell my machine is lying.
Normally I don't have any problem, but every once in awhile a site looks at my IP address and says, "Uh, that's a load of crap!" I haven't figured out how they know yet.
Cheers!
Rick...
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I'm flying a Bell UH-1U Iroquois for VXE-6 on the ice in support of Operation Deep Freeze today. Now there's some unusual virtual Naval aviation.
If you want to fly in a disorienting environment with little useful visual reference, give this a try in FSX.
Cheers!
Rick...
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Hey Rick, those are great shots! What chopper and what scenery do you use on the last ones?
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Hey Rick, those are great shots! What chopper and what scenery do you use on the last ones?
The scenery is just the default FSX Antarctica scenery which you can select under Region, with the default "Winter Wonderland" weather scheme.
The helicopter is the most recent version of the Hovercontrol Bell 412 by Jordan Moore with a U. S. Navy VXE-6 skin. It's one of the best freeware helicopters available, developed with assistance from a couple of Bell/Textron tech reps.
There are a couple of things you need to know about it though.
1). When you start the sim, there will be a red cover over one of the gauges with some info on the model. Just click on it and it will disappear and you'll be able to see the gauge.
2). If you take off and fly without turning on the inverters, you'll deplete the batteries fairly quickly and bad things will happen. To turn on the inverters, just hit shift+5, then click the inverter switches.
The U. S. Navy, as far as I know, doesn't fly the Bell 412, but if they did, with that HC-16 skin, they would probably designate something like "SH-146F Sea Griffon", that idea being based on what Canada calls theirs and the number of revisions typically made to Navy helicopters before everybody's happy, so I edited the aircraft.cfg file and that's what I've designated the aircraft with that skin.
It's a nice helicopter and all the skins out there still work, both new and revised version skins, so I recommend it. Just remember to turn the inverters on.
Cheers!
Rick...
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Nice, Dogsbd! There's not much more satisfying than SF2 Phantom carrier ops. I still have the scars on my forehead (minor compared to my primary scars) from being out on a float with Phantoms on the hangar deck. They have sharp edges. Between Phantoms and knee-knockers, I'm surprise I survived a career in the U. S. Navy.
Cheers!
Rick...
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Nice, Dogsbd! There's not much more satisfying than SF2 Phantom carrier ops. I still have the scars on my forehead (minor compared to my primary scars) from being out on a float with Phantoms on the hangar deck. They have sharp edges. Between Phantoms and knee-knockers, I'm surprise I survived a career in the U. S. Navy.
Was browsing through the friendly AI flights on my way back to the boat and found some Marine Scooters. Sat in an A4 cockpit last week at the Naval Avitation Museum in Pensacola, man that thing is tiny!
My wingman is trying to prove he's ready for the Blue Angels, tucking in so close.
I'm getting close to the boat so I tell him to break and he kicks out.....
Thanks, I've been flying a couple of campaigns (alternating between my USMC career in South Vietnam flying A-4's and my USN career on Yankee Station flying F-4's) using the excellent WOV Air & Ground War Expansion Pack Gold - Sep 2011 Update. I highly recommend it. If I could fly these campaigns multiplayer I would be in flight sim heaven!
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To cheer me up as I recuperate from the operation on my lung, The Lioness upgraded me to Black Shark 2 (along with a bunch of other goodies).
All I can say is...UPGRADE if you haven't already! Ship ops got way better along with a bunch of other stuff in the sim.
Here's a test to see if you can really fly a helicopter:
Fly out to your favorite boat. I chose a Ticonderoga-class missile cruiser. They have a more convoluted deck arrangement than a frigate. You have to fly in over some other stuff on the cruiser instead of just parking it on the fantail like you do on the frigate. I like the more challenging flight deck arrangement of the cruiser.
Once at the boat, back that nasty mother into its parking spot so when you leave you can just leap forward into action instead of having to screw around trying to miss the ship's superstructure.
She looks pretty nice sitting on the flight deck of that Ticonderoga-class can, doesn't she?
After a nice lunch in the wardroom, during which you can answer the million questions as to why you're flying a Russian helicopter with Marine markings, take off again and fly on back to your land base.
If you can complete that in Black Shark 2, you can call yourself a chopper pilot. Be careful backing into your parking space. It's a tight fit.
Cheers!
Rick...
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I'd also like to point out that I flew that the old fashioned way, completely manual, no SAS, no trim, no autohover, no nothing; just cyclic, collective, and me.
But I won't hold it against anyone if they use the modern conveniences for this one, LOL!
Cheers!
Rick...
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All right, where are all those who will take up the challenge?
And be sure to post screenshots of the flaming wreckage, LOL!
Cheers!
Rick...
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