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#3411512 - 10/16/11 09:19 PM Virtual Naval Aviation  
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OK, let's see your virtual carrier ops pics.

I've used the mission editor in every sim I have with a boat to create piles of carrier ops missions, in IL2 1946, Jane's F/A-18 (night foul weather ops), FSX (defaults), X-Plane, Strike Fighters 2, and Lock On FC2.

Here's hoping the next DCS offering is the F/A-18C with the best carrier ops ever. Active deck traffic, IFLOLS, LSO, rolling, pitching deck, the works!

And Rise of Flight needs to cover the birth of Naval Aviation, maybe even get into those Glen Curtiss years on Keuka Lake!

Here's a couple of Fleet Air Arm pics from IL2 1946. That's a Supermarine Seafire F Mk.III launching and trapping aboard HMS Illustrious. The battlewagon trailing is HMS Duke of York.





All right virtual Naval Aviators, let's see what ya got!

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#3411527 - 10/16/11 09:40 PM Re: Virtual Naval Aviation [Re: Sauron]  
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That's funny you mentioned Glenn Curtiss and his early flights on Keuka lake, Rick. My parents live about 20 minutes away from Hammondsport now, and I've been to the Glenn Curtiss museum up there several times- lots of cool stuff, and I had no idea that the area had so much to do with aviation history.


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#3411532 - 10/16/11 09:51 PM Re: Virtual Naval Aviation [Re: NavyNuke99]  
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Originally Posted By: NavyNuke99
That's funny you mentioned Glenn Curtiss and his early flights on Keuka lake, Rick. My parents live about 20 minutes away from Hammondsport now, and I've been to the Glenn Curtiss museum up there several times- lots of cool stuff, and I had no idea that the area had so much to do with aviation history.


Yeah, been there myself many times. I almost volunteered to work in their workshop restoring planes, one of the guys in their shop was trying to talk me into it, but then got distracted by other endeavors.

I used to live on the East Lake Road off Route 54 on Keuka Lake, right on the lake. I miss that.

I caught some nice trout in that lake. We used to night fish off the bluff and catch some pretty nice Lake Trout, which aren't really trout, they're a type of char. We'd sit out there in the boat and drink beer and eat KFC all night while we fished. You have to fish about 110 feet down in the summer. We used sawbellies with a slip sinker.

Got some nice rainbows and browns out of there too. There are some gigantic browns down on the Hammondsport end, I mean world record gigantic. You get those in about 30 feet of water in the Hammondsport end.

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#3411535 - 10/16/11 09:54 PM Re: Virtual Naval Aviation [Re: Sauron]  
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Nice pics, to bad I get seasick smile.



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#3411563 - 10/16/11 10:24 PM Re: Virtual Naval Aviation [Re: Sauron]  
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Here I am with a Corsair on final to USS Intrepid.



Cheers!

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#3411572 - 10/16/11 10:37 PM Re: Virtual Naval Aviation [Re: Sauron]  
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The Seafire trap looked a bit low. You caught #1 wire, and should be aiming for somewhere nearer #3.

Otherwise cool, like nav-ops.

#3411573 - 10/16/11 10:39 PM Re: Virtual Naval Aviation [Re: Lieste]  
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Originally Posted By: Lieste
The Seafire trap looked a bit low. You caught #1 wire, and should be aiming for somewhere nearer #3.

Otherwise cool, like nav-ops.


LOL! Yep, that's a one wire. I'm ashamed of myself. I notice I've been doing that a lot lately. I must practice more.

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#3411575 - 10/16/11 10:42 PM Re: Virtual Naval Aviation [Re: Sauron]  
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You ever fly the Swordfish? That's as close to early naval aviation as I care to get. smile

#3411586 - 10/16/11 10:58 PM Re: Virtual Naval Aviation [Re: Sauron]  
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I couldn't understand why the LSO was going nuts when I tried to land without a tailhook... biggrin



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#3411603 - 10/16/11 11:30 PM Re: Virtual Naval Aviation [Re: Sauron]  
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#3411620 - 10/16/11 11:54 PM Re: Virtual Naval Aviation [Re: Sauron]  
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And let us not forget jets.



I used to have a Swordfish for FS2004, but I don't think I have one now in all the mess. It's a great airplane though!

Cheers!

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#3411677 - 10/17/11 01:41 AM Re: Virtual Naval Aviation [Re: Sauron]  
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If you practice, you can land almost any plane in IL2 (except the largest bombers) on the mid-size or full size carriers. I do this all the time on Xfire and Hyperlobby open pit servers when I get low on fuel cause people will follow you to vulch on landing, so I land everything on carriers which have powerful AAA. Most planes can be brought in at about 160 kph with full landing flaps and no gear down. Except the FW series which always skid right (and which you counter with left rudder), everything else does a belly landing fine.

I once held a competition with 21 guys in full real as to who could conduct the most successful landings on the (non-moving) small escort carrier with the F4U-D at 50 percent fuel, with the winner getting 25 bucks. It was a blast with several wave-offs for almost everyone.


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#3411681 - 10/17/11 01:51 AM Re: Virtual Naval Aviation [Re: Sauron]  
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I use to have better luck landing the F4U on the escort carriers without any power. Using a dead stick was a great way to bleed off speed but you needed to start high enough so that you wouldn't get too slow and stall. I haven't done it for some time so I am sure the back of the carrier and I would be getting well acquainted for a while.


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#3411774 - 10/17/11 05:02 AM Re: Virtual Naval Aviation [Re: Sauron]  
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How about some Jimmy Dolittle carrier ops? Anyone up for flying a B-25 off an Essex class carrier?



Well, there sits the big pig. I'm not sure that I'm in love with this idea.



Uh oh, I've got this terrible sinking feeling.



Hey! We got the tail damp, but we made it!

Cheers!

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#3411778 - 10/17/11 05:08 AM Re: Virtual Naval Aviation [Re: Sauron]  
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I'm a big fan of carrier flight ops in games too. I was trying out Falcon BMS yesterday and couldn't resist doing the F-14 carrier landing training mission. Put her down on the first try. thumbsup Wish I had some screens of it.


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Originally Posted By: Sauron
How about some Jimmy Dolittle carrier ops? Anyone up for flying a B-25 off an Essex class carrier?



Well, there sits the big pig. I'm not sure that I'm in love with this idea.



Uh oh, I've got this terrible sinking feeling.



Hey! We got the tail damp, but we made it!

Cheers!

Rick... hahaha



The Lexington and Saratago give you a little more deck length to play with if this is IL-2. Nice job though, it's tough taking off from a carrier in that plane in IL-2 in the number one spot. Using the number 4 spot in a 4 plane squadron gives you a little more leeway. That is the most I have ever been able to get to take off safely at normal carrier speeds.


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#3411795 - 10/17/11 06:03 AM Re: Virtual Naval Aviation [Re: Sauron]  
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#3411796 - 10/17/11 06:11 AM Re: Virtual Naval Aviation [Re: wheelsup_cavu]  
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Originally Posted By: wheelsup_cavu
The Lexington and Saratago give you a little more deck length to play with if this is IL-2. Nice job though, it's tough taking off from a carrier in that plane in IL-2 in the number one spot. Using the number 4 spot in a 4 plane squadron gives you a little more leeway. That is the most I have ever been able to get to take off safely at normal carrier speeds.Wheels


Yes, but Jimmy Dolittle and company took off from USS Hornet, an Essex class carrier, in B-25B's. I had to use a B-25J, but I did have the Essex class boat. It ain't easy.

Whoa! Bad luck with the bolter Force10!

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Originally Posted By: Sauron
Originally Posted By: wheelsup_cavu
The Lexington and Saratago give you a little more deck length to play with if this is IL-2. Nice job though, it's tough taking off from a carrier in that plane in IL-2 in the number one spot. Using the number 4 spot in a 4 plane squadron gives you a little more leeway. That is the most I have ever been able to get to take off safely at normal carrier speeds.Wheels


Yes, but Jimmy Dolittle and company took off from USS Hornet, an Essex class carrier, in B-25B's. I had to use a B-25J, but I did have the Essex class boat. It ain't easy.

Whoa! Bad luck with the bolter Force10!

Cheers!

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You are thinking of CV-12 but CV-8 was the one to launch the Doolittle Raid. CV-8 was a Yorktown class carrier.

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Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Hornet_(CV-8)

USS Hornet CV-8, the seventh ship to carry the name Hornet, was a Yorktown-class aircraft carrier of the United States Navy. During World War II in the Pacific Theater, she launched the Doolittle Raid on Tokyo and participated in the Battle of Midway and the Buin-Faisi-Tonolai Raid. In the Solomon Islands campaign she was involved in the Capture and Defense of Guadalcanal and the Battle of the Santa Cruz Islands where she was irreparably damaged and sunk. Hornet was in service for a year and six days and was the last US fleet carrier ever sunk by enemy fire. For these actions, she was awarded four service stars, a citation for the Doolittle Raid in 1995, and her Torpedo Squadron 8 received a Presidential Unit Citation for extraordinary heroism for the Battle of Midway.

List of US Aircraft Carriers: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_aircraft_carriers_of_the_United_States_Navy

List of US Aircraft Carriers: http://www.navy.mil/navydata/ships/carriers/cv-list.asp

I can't find a flight deck length for them but it looks like the Essex is still closer to the correct length. Overal lengths on the Saratago is 880 feet, the Lexington is and 888 feet and the Essex is 872 feet. The Hornets (CV-8) Overall length was approx 810 feet. Even so all they were allowed was 400 feet to takeoff due to the island. eek2

If you have 4 hours this afternoon you can catch this on the Military channel.
Missions That Changed The War: The Doolittle Raid: http://military.discovery.com/tv-schedules/series.html?paid=52.16764.129928.39775.4


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#3411827 - 10/17/11 08:16 AM Re: Virtual Naval Aviation [Re: wheelsup_cavu]  
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Originally Posted By: wheelsup_cavu
You are thinking of CV-12 but CV-8 was the one to launch the Doolittle Raid. CV-8 was a Yorktown class carrier.


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You mean it's even worse than I thought? For cryin' out loud, it was hard enough off an Essex!

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