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#3411828 - 10/17/11 01:20 AM
Re: Virtual Naval Aviation
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You are thinking of CV-12 but CV-8 was the one to launch the Doolittle Raid. CV-8 was a Yorktown class carrier.
Wheels You mean it's even worse than I thought? For cryin' out loud, it was hard enough off an Essex! Cheers! Rick...  It can't be that hard since one of them did it without using their flaps.  Wheels
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#3411834 - 10/17/11 01:31 AM
Re: Virtual Naval Aviation
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You are thinking of CV-12 but CV-8 was the one to launch the Doolittle Raid. CV-8 was a Yorktown class carrier.
Wheels You mean it's even worse than I thought? For cryin' out loud, it was hard enough off an Essex! Cheers! Rick... It can't be that hard since one of them did it without using their flaps. Wheels If I remember correctly, those things were stripped like they left them downtown with the keys in them. They only took the parts needed for the mission and to keep them from falling out through holes, LOL! What astonishes me is the "We'll figure that out at some point," ideas about landing that they launched with. Cheers! Rick... 
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#3411844 - 10/17/11 01:58 AM
Re: Virtual Naval Aviation
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They definitely had stones of steel to go on that mission without knowing for sure they had enough fuel to make it all they way. Another thing that surprised me was how old Doolittle was when he flew the mission.
IIRC the mission was planned and executed in 90 days. I would have to watch the Dollitle Raiders episodes on the Military Channel this afternoon to confirm since that is where I got that information.
Could you see trying to plan a mission of that complexity today ?? No way it gets done in 90 days.
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#3412555 - 10/17/11 08:38 PM
Re: Virtual Naval Aviation
[Re: Sauron]
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P-80 takeoff from an escort carrier in IL-2 1946. Without mods the blasted carrier only goes 35km so that makes it interesting to try and takeoff. If they could run as fast as the big ones I don't think it would be a challenge. Everything has to go just right or it's Davey Jones Locker for ya. Mission files are in here. Copy and paste into a .mis file if you want to try. [MAIN]
MAP Midway/load.ini
TIME 12.0
CloudType 0
CloudHeight 1000.0
player usa0100
army 1
playerNum 0
[Wing]
usa0100
[usa0100]
Planes 1
Skill 1
Class air.P_80A
Fuel 100
weapons default
[usa0100_Way]
TAKEOFF 144219.93 18969.73 0 0 0_Chief 0 &0
NORMFLY 120750.00 34000.00 2000.00 500.00 &0
NORMFLY 125000.00 39450.00 1500.00 400.00 &0
NORMFLY 127750.00 35600.00 1000.00 400.00 &0
NORMFLY 120750.00 34000.00 500.00 350.00 &0
LANDING 124155.99 35505.66 0 0 &0
[Chiefs]
0_Chief Ships.USSKitkunBayCVE71 1 0 2 1.0
[0_Chief_Road]
144180.00 19000.00 120.00 0 2 9.774444580078125
122820.00 34000.00 120.00
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[Buildings]
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[House] No Mods - No Winds - Carrier Speed: 35 KM     Wheels
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#3412592 - 10/17/11 09:34 PM
Re: Virtual Naval Aviation
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"What astonishes me is the "We'll figure that out at some point," ideas about landing that they launched with."
Not sure what you mean, S, but you do know they never had any intention of landing them back on the Hornet. They were to continue on to China and join Channault. And yeah, no Essex class carriers in 1942. A year later.
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#3412833 - 10/18/11 06:06 AM
Re: Virtual Naval Aviation
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"What astonishes me is the "We'll figure that out at some point," ideas about landing that they launched with."
Not sure what you mean, S, but you do know they never had any intention of landing them back on the Hornet. They were to continue on to China and join Channault. And yeah, no Essex class carriers in 1942. A year later. Yeah, I know they were intending to head for China, but if I remember correctly, there was some doubt even before they launched about whether or not they'd make it there. It's been a long time since I read about the Dolittle Raid so I may be remembering wrong. That P-80 looks like it did a little water-skiing after take-off, LOL! Cheers! Rick...
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#3412851 - 10/18/11 06:32 AM
Re: Virtual Naval Aviation
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#3413023 - 10/18/11 10:26 AM
Re: Virtual Naval Aviation
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"What astonishes me is the "We'll figure that out at some point," ideas about landing that they launched with."
Not sure what you mean, S, but you do know they never had any intention of landing them back on the Hornet. They were to continue on to China and join Channault. And yeah, no Essex class carriers in 1942. A year later. Yeah, I know they were intending to head for China, but if I remember correctly, there was some doubt even before they launched about whether or not they'd make it there. It's been a long time since I read about the Dolittle Raid so I may be remembering wrong. That P-80 looks like it did a little water-skiing after take-off, LOL!Cheers! Rick... Pretty close. You have to be quick on the landing gear switch or they will drag through the water and flip you in front of the carrier. That doesn't make for a very good morning.  Wheels
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#3413163 - 10/18/11 01:11 PM
Re: Virtual Naval Aviation
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 Please ignore the fact that the carrier's hull shows through the water and there don't appear to be any water shaders. Had a desert_data.ini issue that realized at the point I took this shot and fixed.
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#3413201 - 10/18/11 01:54 PM
Re: Virtual Naval Aviation
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