#3405498 - 10/07/1109:24 AMRe: Electronic "cigarettes" are a piss poor substitute for the real thing
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PanzerMeyer
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Originally Posted By: VF9_Longbow
i don't get why people smoke in the first place, does you absolutely no good, gives you cancer, costs money, makes you smell like crap
I'd say it's peer pressure. I would think that most smokers started when when they were teenagers and that's when peer pressure is usually its strongest.
Edited by PanzerMeyer (10/07/1109:26 AM)
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If you are worried about second hand smoke you should read up on how much damage exhaust gasses from combustion engines can do! Your probably breathing in a whole lot more of that stuff each day.
I was travelling last year for a conference, and got stuck with a smoking room. I didn't realize such a thing still existed in the western hemisphere. It was pretty disgusting and I'm not sure the smell is gone from my clothes yet. Call me a "liberal fascist ass" but I'm glad these rooms are on their way out
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I for one am glad it is illegal to smoke in hotel rooms and other places... You are free to smoke but show a little curtsy to those of us who don't.
My brother's wife is allergic to cigarette smoke. It is actually a pretty common thing. Her face swells up and her throat swells shut just by being next to someone who smoked hours ago. There are tons of inconsiderate bastards out there who think it is funny when you tell them "please dont smoke here my friend has health problems."
For some reason they just dont get it through their head that what they are doing is extremely dangerous to a large group of people out there.
Now, I fully understand people who don't like the smell of it, and are concerned by their healt. But if you want to be concerned by your health, there's so much other things of your everyday life that are at least as nefast as cigarettes, but no one is concerned about it. That's a bit of an hypocrisis, to me. And on another note, I think tolerance is the main word. And common sense... Smokers should understand that some people don't like it at all, and should be mature enough not to smoke juste beside them and respect their opinions. And non smokers should understand that smoking has been present for hundreds of year, and that it won't go away juste because they don't like it. If they were really THAT concerned about their health, there's LOT of more importants things they should care about before pissing the smokers off.
That's exactly my point. Somkers tend to disrespect non-smokers, and non-smokers tend to be worried about OTHER people's lives without looking at their own.
Also, one things that I don't like about laws that "deal" with this thing. If I'm the owner of a hotel, I should be able to do whatever I like, it's my business, I pay for everything there. I you don't like the rooms, go somewhere else. I would then, start to loose money and go bankruptcy. Period. But it's *MY* business.
Free of choice, just that simple.
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That's exactly my point. Somkers tend to disrespect non-smokers, and non-smokers tend to be worried about OTHER people's lives without looking at their own.
Also, one things that I don't like about laws that "deal" with this thing. If I'm the owner of a hotel, I should be able to do whatever I like, it's my business, I pay for everything there. I you don't like the rooms, go somewhere else. I would then, start to loose money and go bankruptcy. Period. But it's *MY* business.
Free of choice, just that simple.
I definitely see your point, and used to feel the same way about the person who owns the hotel/bar/etc., but then someone pointed out to me that it is for providing the employees with a safe place to work, not just the customers.
The law was never (technically, anyway) about telling people whether they could smoke or not, it was about protecting those who chose not to smoke from the effects of those who did. I doubt any smoker would be happy about their employer allowing mercury vapor into their workspace, and just saying it's the owner's business and they are free to do whatever they want, and if the employees don't like it they can go work elsewhere. It would be different if the nature of the work itself was dangerous, like repairing powerlines, etc., but cleaning and maintaining hotel rooms isn't in and of itself dangerous.
I know that some of the chemicals involved in cleaning can be dangerous, but those are regulated and controlled, and employers have to provide the proper equipment and environment so they can be used safely, so in that sense the smoking law is essentially handling smoking in the same way.
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Don't smoke,never did,still this creeping BIG BROTHER thing is bad.Like what Denmark is doing,yeah it's for your on good,we make the choices for you because we know better than you what you should do.
Yeah it's easy to single out smokers cause they smell bad,they will cost the government heath system money so go get them.Problem is it never stopped,there is always something else,some other group doing something to offend someone.
Fat people,you better watch your step cause you are easy to spot.When they put you on the scales and then tell you you will eat what they say or else no health insurance,then your employer looks at you and says can't take the chance with you in the shape you're in you gotta go.
And on a side note I read where some hospital will no longer hire smokers.If they have the right to do that why shouldn't a private property owner be able to hire smokers only to work for him and rent to smokers only?
Be careful what you wish for,you just might get it.
Don't smoke,never did,still this creeping BIG BROTHER thing is bad.Like what Denmark is doing,yeah it's for your on good,we make the choices for you because we know better than you what you should do.
Yeah it's easy to single out smokers cause they smell bad,they will cost the government heath system money so go get them.Problem is it never stopped,there is always something else,some other group doing something to offend someone.
Fat people,you better watch your step cause you are easy to spot.When they put you on the scales and then tell you you will eat what they say or else no health insurance,then your employer looks at you and says can't take the chance with you in the shape you're in you gotta go.
And on a side note I read where some hospital will no longer hire smokers.If they have the right to do that why shouldn't a private property owner be able to hire smokers only to work for him and rent to smokers only?
Be careful what you wish for,you just might get it.
This is exactly what is happening, demonizing some sector of the society and attempting to control their choices for their own good.
Cigarettes went from being ubiquitous in my childhood to totally stigmatized today. It is a health risk to the smoker no question about it. But the latest round of laws, prohibiting smoking altogether in bars and the rest is too much IMHO. I am not sure if I could light up in my own apartment honestly.
I worked behind a bar for years as a non-smoker and it never bothered me that others were smoking. However, some people complained about smoking on the other side of the building two dozen yards away or more, despite fans and smoke eaters in the smoking area. I am just not as convinced by the second hand smoke issue as so many others are. But that is not an argument I care to get into. A non smoker arguing for smokers is a pretty lonely place to be.