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#3405319 - 10/06/11 11:15 PM Re: Electronic "cigarettes" are a piss poor substitute for the real thing [Re: Li'lJugs]
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This is what was done to one of the iconic images of the 20th century.


I am confident, that given the chance some people would edit the cigarette out of Humphry Bogart's mouth too.

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#3405329 - 10/06/11 11:43 PM Re: Electronic "cigarettes" are a piss poor substitute for the real thing [Re: WileECoyote]
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Originally Posted By: WileECoyote
I have to agree with Li'lJugs here. Let's see if my English is up to the task as to explaining why (it won't but... smile )

One thing is you respect others, don't smoke in front of them or whatever, but:

a) You can't ban things because you don't like them.
b) You can't ban things that are bad for health, because you should ban pretty much everything, from Coke to fried chicken, from sloppy manufactured shoes to mayonnaise... Damn, I fell off the f* stair the other day, we should ban them!
c) We smokers get pissed off because you see the wrong aspects of things at your convenience. It's like you have a fixation with this. Lots and lots of people do harm to other on their normal lives... It's just the way it is and we can't (and maybe shouldn't) change it. I have a bet for you guys, I'll seat in my chair here and smoke one after the other for a hour, and you are going to seat in your garage with your car, engine on... And we'll see what's worse. Not even vegetarians are free of guilt these days... with all the chemicals we use to achieve the AMAZING crops that the human race is achieving. I live in an area where we have acid rain and poisoned rivers. The crops? Oh fantastic, of course.

Lots of really stupid things have been done because of this "healthy" trend. Like ban episodes of Bugs Bunny because he was smoking... It's a freaking cartoon! No kind ever started smoking because of this, never ever. Even worse, in in Argentina the taxes applied to cigarettes have been raised with this excuse... They even banned cigarettes commercials from public places... At some point, we just feel segregated, like we are the new black people. Hell, they'll ban us from college one of these days.

The "live and let live" mantra should be enforced here. Live your life, die old and happy and healthy (although if you die... well, you're not so healthy after all smile ), I'll live mine, and die probably young and happy too. And if not, well, it's my life.



a. Things are banned all the time...
b. well it is the thing that If I eat at mcdonalds the only health I am effecting is myself. If we are in a room together and you are Smoking BOTH are healths are at risk see the difference..
c. Sure and I guess you woulkd want me to sit in a gas chabmer for an hour as well? really no comparison.. But heck I was a welder and a smoker so Glad I quite BOTH!! if you wanna sit in YOUR house Smoking your brains out fine by me Ill sit here in my chair just breathing..
d. I got a game you can play it is called russian roulette why not do that but hey isnt that banned too??


Edited by The Nephilim (10/06/11 11:44 PM)
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#3405335 - 10/07/11 12:08 AM Re: Electronic "cigarettes" are a piss poor substitute for the real thing [Re: Li'lJugs]
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Want to hear irony, I quit smoking because my wife and son has Asthma, he now smokes, what a dumbass. I have to say I do not miss smoking, in fact I hate the smell of it and it really bothers me to be around it, with that said I also believe it is your right to smoke. I just do not like it by me.




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#3405341 - 10/07/11 12:20 AM Re: Electronic "cigarettes" are a piss poor substitute for the real thing [Re: Li'lJugs]
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I quit smoking because I always knew it was'nt any good for me, as I got older I did'nt have the wind to spare and I didnt like the idea of having no control over my cravings.

But. Unless I am feeding you or sleeping with you, I don't like the idea of telling adults what they should and should not be doing with their lives.

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#3405358 - 10/07/11 01:03 AM Re: Electronic "cigarettes" are a piss poor substitute for the real thing [Re: Li'lJugs]
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In other news Denmark passes a tax on "Saturated fat". The price of butter goes up ~$1/lb, other foods proportionally to their fat content. And no, that's not a joke.

You'll have to buy carbon credits with each can of beans soon enough.

Wasn't "Bureaucracy" the ninth circle of hell?
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#3405405 - 10/07/11 03:58 AM Re: Electronic "cigarettes" are a piss poor substitute for the real thing [Re: WileECoyote]
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Originally Posted By: WileECoyote
I have to agree with Li'lJugs here. Let's see if my English is up to the task as to explaining why (it won't but... smile )

One thing is you respect others, don't smoke in front of them or whatever, but:

a) You can't ban things because you don't like them.
b) You can't ban things that are bad for health, because you should ban pretty much everything, from Coke to fried chicken, from sloppy manufactured shoes to mayonnaise... Damn, I fell off the f* stair the other day, we should ban them!


So when your kid turns 18 or 21 or whatever and takes up heroin... you'll be real quiet?

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#3405408 - 10/07/11 04:21 AM Re: Electronic "cigarettes" are a piss poor substitute for the real thing [Re: Li'lJugs]
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Let's ban beer and alcohol too. I don't like the smell and I could die if someone drinks and drives.
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#3405415 - 10/07/11 04:37 AM Re: Electronic "cigarettes" are a piss poor substitute for the real thing [Re: Li'lJugs]
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Why do I smoke? Because I just love it! Everything's a matter of taste, and that's it. Otherwise, why would you eat/drink things that are good, instead of some tasteless food that will give you all the elements your body need to be fit? Because you like it. Why do you wear clothes you find cool, instead of simple generic colorless and shapeless garments that would protect you as well as any other garment? Because you like it. This can go on forever, and with everything. Remember guys, "beauty" (note the big " " here!) is in the eye of the customer.

Now, I fully understand people who don't like the smell of it, and are concerned by their healt. But if you want to be concerned by your health, there's so much other things of your everyday life that are at least as nefast as cigarettes, but no one is concerned about it. That's a bit of an hypocrisis, to me. And on another note, I think tolerance is the main word. And common sense... Smokers should understand that some people don't like it at all, and should be mature enough not to smoke juste beside them and respect their opinions. And non smokers should understand that smoking has been present for hundreds of year, and that it won't go away juste because they don't like it. If they were really THAT concerned about their health, there's LOT of more importants things they should care about before pissing the smokers off.
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#3405427 - 10/07/11 05:03 AM Re: Electronic "cigarettes" are a piss poor substitute for the real thing [Re: Li'lJugs]
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I'm addicted to this crap too (real cigars), but we, smokers, got to respect those who won't smoke, if it's not allowed i respect that and no smoke, i have plenty of time to kill myself. In portugal it's completly forbid smoke inside restaurants, shoppings, and all (closed) public places and it was a good decision imo. I love healthy air after all screwy

Cheers

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#3405491 - 10/07/11 09:10 AM Re: Electronic "cigarettes" are a piss poor substitute for the real thing [Re: Li'lJugs]
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The OP looks like a serious case of withdrawal symptoms, you call it freedom but in reality your brain is a slave of the nicotine. pitchafit wink

I usually don't mind what people choose to get addicted to but I do hate the smoke, especially in situations where it's hard to avoid. I mean I try not to fart in peoples' faces either. wink

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