Anyone familiar with Maneuver Warfare have recognize the meaning of the clan name;-)

I just started this clan, I am a US 20 years tactical gaming veteran, been exposed to tactical training for combat on the field and enjoy tactical gaming reflecting reality (if possible) which represents a real challenge for the gamer. The Tactical challenge is the goal. The "blowing #%&*$# up" is just a consequence of good tactical planning, development and execution!

This group is for MATURE GAMERS interested by victory by incapacitating and neutralizing the Opfor by taking their center of gravity (home base) through shock, and disruption. Those gamers must be trained to work fast and accurately in small, cohesive groups, where they will observe, make decisions, act upon it, then because their action has modified the situation, they will observe again, make another decision and act upon it, then start the same process anew (OODA loop: Observe, Orient, Decide and Act), until they have neutralize the enemy center of gravity . This clan is about Maneuver Warfare gaming style, not Attrition Warfare gaming style.

The "Schwerpunkt" is a point of concentration for the maximum effect or Main Effort to focus for a decisive action for Offensive, Defensive or Withdraw. Here, for offensive purpose it is the main effort on enemy weakness to create a Gap from which a successful breakthrough is achieved. The resources involved ( and this is where you step in hopefully) are elite personal.

Mission tactics will be constant during the battle, and I cite Colonel Michael D Wyly, USMC ret.: "Assigning a mission and depending on subordinates to carry it constitutes the tactic. To allow the subordinates to decide on its own initiative what to do is the means of getting the most appropriate decisions made on the spot and acted on more rapidly than the enemy can respond to your actions." In other words, the subordinate have the initiative and the latitude to create and follow aiming points and decide to Attack, Withdraw or Defend to fit the instant reality. What the subordinates must be assigned is the intent or the output desired by the commander, which is not difficult to understand at this point, since the only possible output is not the total destruction of the enemy but the successful occupation of the Opfor base before the Opfor occupies successfully the Bluefor base.

On a more technical side, you will only need to join, to own some armored vehicles from the Tier I through the Tier III. The upper Tiers armored vehicles might eventually be needed much later.


If you are interested because you already perceive the game that way, hence play that way or wish to, then, apply for the Clan through the WOT forum. You will feel at home!

lol... OK.

Did I miss it, or what game/sim are you playing in this new "clan", Since it's in the general armor forum, I would assume either SB Pro PE or WoT, about the only 2 current games i know.

GL

Gee Mag,

Good morning to you too!

And yes 20 years already, I am 50!....I did not say Tactical gaming PC. There are Tactical Board games and I played those for a while, when I could not afford a computer. Then, the definition of Veteran as per the Merriam-Webster is: 1a: an old soldier of long service b: a former member of the armed forces 2: a person of long experience usually in some occupation or skill.

Thank you for pointing out the lack of game name to which that post was addressed to, that needed to be rectified for accuracy purpose!

Hi Gunny,

Im very interested.

I can beat you in age being 59 years young.

I have Tiger 2, Tiger, Panther 2, IS and T43.

I seem to ge best results in Panther 2 and T43 as a wolfpack with other mediums or Tiger 2 being more patient. I'd love to work with a team as I shake my head at some people's lack of situational awareness in this game.

Unfortunately on Sydney Austalia time so would be difficult to allign time however I'm happy to play in the middle of the night or early morning if it means a more satisfying WOT experience

Hi Digger,

Well, what is ur callsign in WOT. Mine is GunnyHighway1.

Let's keep our eyes open and hook up if we see each others.

Do you have any light tanks in the tier I, II, III?...

Whats the time difference between the US west coast and the part of Australia where you are gaming from?

Gunny,

Interested as well. I do not have anything beyond a Tier VIII Jagd Panther and Lowe, though continuing to build upon my TD fleet and light tanks. My in game is also strykerpsg and would love to engage with another well versed in tactics and manuever. Just let me know when you'll be on and I'll add you to my friends list.

Matt

Hi Matt,

What's you callsign in WOT? Mine is Gunnyhighway1

I am on generally around 17:00 Pacific time during the week except Mondays and Thursdays.

On week ends it could become insane.

You'll be fine with light tanks. Maneuver warfare is fast, you can't use heavies unless they are for distracting the ennemy, creating or keeping GAPs open. In the beginning we will be using small light fast tanks, and it is ok since we will be playing in the same tier with and against others. When everyone is well rounded to the practice of MW, people will be more skilled at picking their machines since they will know exactly what performances to look for depending of the task at hand.

Tanks like BT2's,BT7's, M2's, M3's and Luch's are well suited for the beginning. Cheap to buy, to upgrade and to maintain. Yet 3 or 4 of those machine together rolling at 60kn/h (40 miles/hour) the field, jumpimg from cover to cover to kill arty then occupy ennemy base in 3 mins or less depending on the type of map, level of organization of the Opfor and the Bluefor participant level of experience with MW, will bring you EXP up faster than you think as long as we neutralize their base first.

Whats with all the old farts (I just turned Fifty)! I always assume Im the oldest one in the game. You can sort of bracket age or maturity by whether or not a player is stuck on the words "FAIL", "epic" and "NOOB" or craps himself if there is any Freindly Fire or his team gets out played. Ill look for you guys I go by Hammer757 in WOT.
S!

51 years here

See you on the LZ Hammer!

Damn, I guess I'm the young un, 45 here. Call sign is strykerpsg. I have already invited Gunny as a friend on my list and will include anyone else willing to patrol the fields of glory with some sense of manuever versus run and gun, although a tactic, not one I like. I generally don't get home until 1800-1900, so will be about 2030ish, if the older crowds still awake then? Also, the occasional weekend I am free at least one day of the weekend to roll around. The other day is spent entertaining my teenage sons or coaxing my K1300S around the beuatiful PNW.

Anyway, really dig my Leopard and Luchs, wanting the final German light tank and then want to deck out my Jagd Panzer. It's 105mm gun is a beast of a gun, just need the bigger engine. Now, if only they would implement add on side skirts or welded plates.....

Matt

which tactic u don't like to practice?

Hi Gunny,

Just back on deck, been away

my call sign in WOT is

digger52

I dont have any lower tier tanks any more but can easily buy a couple if needed. Sold my russian T44 as it rates in the pecking order higher than the T59 which is crazy. Took the money plus earned and now am the proud owner of an E75, a crawling monster with a "railgun"

Not always crazy about the run and gu tactic. Although it does have it's merits, I prefer coordinated or planned manuever. Run and gun works if ambushed enroute. Apologies for not participating this weekend. My son's are trying to get into to the game and was platooning them to show them their roles in their respective vehicles.

How did your clan do this weekend? BTW, when we fight as a clan, we still get experience, correct? I just got my VK2801 and jsut need the final turret upgrade and 105. After that, I'll put on the coated optics and have more than 450 meters LOS and a TD level gun.

Matt

Hey digger, was considering the E75 once I complete the German TD line. You say its a beast, eh? Will look for that one instead of the Maus.

BTW, my callsign is strykerpsg in WOT if you ever want to platoon together.

Matt

HI strykerpsg,

The pros and cons of the E75.

Stock is just a more heavily armoured Tiger 2 that crawls across the map. With upgraded tracks and turret, starts to come into its own , but is still easily "tracked" and everyone trys to kill you. Am now having great success as sitting back behind the advancing team members and giving them fire support as great for long distance shooting ( ie much like a giant tank destroyer with a rotating turret).

Have not got enough experience points yet for the top tier cannon but that will be a hard decision as whilst slightly higher penetration and damage, very slow reload time vs what im using now. Also yet to get the better engine which I hope will give me more mobility.

Im sick and tired of T59's swarming like flies ( overpowered and too cheap in gold so every man and his dog has bought one) so last night I started buying premium armor piercing rounds and have set my self a mission to exterminate every T59 I see. It worked and gave me great pleasure in watching 2 of them go up in flames who were fighting as a platoon.

I think I have found a new hobby - kill the T59

Everyone hates the T59!

It used to be the Panther and T44 that were everyone's must-kill-first target (back in the beta). They're way down in the list now.

I have a Type 59 and a T54. They are similar in some ways.

I take you up on the challenge, if i see you guys Type 59 haters first, u won't have time to see me!...But you can always attach a white flag on your antennas and I let you go;-)

I also laugh at the Type59 haters, Lowe as well. Yes, they're both premiums with compromises on both their gun and speed. However, the Type 59 is a great equalizier for its speed and gun when in the close turning fight with a heavy or any tank for that matter. Also able to sustain many hits before being destroyed. Admittedly, these are the first I single out with my SPG and now that the GW Panther is imminent, I will own them when playing defensive....kidding of course, but I'll try.

Matt

I love the idea of maneuver warfare and seeing it in action is truly a thing of glory. I'd ask to join your clan if I wasn't in one already. Also, I'm more interested in the Clan Wars with the high tier battles.

It's really a shame that the majority of Tanks players are locked into a trench warfare mentality. Thinking back I feel so naive when I first saw Malinovka with it's wide open field as a true test of a team's ability to coordinate and concentrate an attack.

Now I know better. There is NO coordination in public games, unless by rare chance or a clan doing countdowns. Malinovka is now one of my most dreaded maps, because there isn't any maneuver. Just those of us who don't want to wait for a 15 minute draw that climb the hill in the east and pray for some kind of miracle. Often times my platoon will do a banzai charge across the field just to get the misery over with and start another battle. If our team can read English, they MIGHT snipe the targets we spot in our charge.

I'm hearing good things about the future of the game, however. Like the ability to choose which maps you want to play on. When that happens, Malinovka will be a thing of the past. Still seems funny to me how I saw opportunity in the open fields initially, but now I see a bitter stalemate. Gotta love online gaming.