Been playing the other sim recently with the career mode. It looks beautiful and the flight models on the whole feel right, though DR1's flying with half a top missing wing seems odd and you can't mention these things as you get shouted down. Anyway as I was saying the planes are beautiful...though the scenery for me is to comic book like, especially the towns and no mans land looks aswful. This does effect immersion to a point but not the amount I felt was missing in the sim.
I fly a mission and then have no real enthusiasm to fly another, that lets get out there and have anyother go is missing. It for me just doesn't have any immersion at all. Why I can't really be sure, maybe the spawning enemy\planes so you know that they don't exist once they disappear so you know there is nothing else going on in the world. The career mode is OK and the chrome to try and give it some immersion like the character bio's don't really work, it's something you read once maybe and then as it just egts recycled anyway it soon becomes something you don't look at.. I don't want to be told about my character, I have an imagination for that I do want the world I fly in to feel like it's WW1 though. This is where OFF P3 shines and shines brightly. A whole war is going on outside your cockpit. Planes are out doing missions that have nothing todo with you. There is an actaul ground war going on aswell. It has the buckets full of immersion goodness. More immersion than any other sim I've played, as all the others except one or two others which are renowned as classics are very sterile. Thats the word, sterile. It's like the beautiful woman who is great to look at but has zero personality.

With this in mind OFF P4 is the most eagerly anticipated sim for me so far out of 27 years of gaming.

P.S I would have posted this in the other sims forum but I'd just get ripped to bits. To scared to say anything negaticve about that game;)

I agree in most of the things you said.
I prefer flying Pat Wilson's RoF Campaign over the Official Career (beta).
No real immersion in RoF, I would add the dynamic weather system present in OFF.
If the two sims could be merged we would have the ultimate WWI sim!

I'm eagerly anticipating OFF P4...
From what Winder announced in Combat Ace Forum P4 is gonna be a dream come true,
in so many aspects of sim gameplay:

Wanted to pst over there but I forgot my password it for some reason it deosn't recognise my email address!!

The sim sounds amazing. First day purchase.

So the reason you are looking forward to OFF P4 is because you think RoF sucks?

Weird.

I think OFF P4 will be great on its own merits - no need to try to pump it up by dragging another sim down.

Here we go again! Actually it's ALSO in part because of the reasons that Wodin posted that I'm looking foward to OFF P4. I'm not saying that RoF sucks and neither does "Wodin" says that - Only a RoF "fanatic" can "dedicate time" by lurking in other sim forums in order to find the "RoF sucks" words in people that for some reason doesn't appreciate RoF and post the reason why they don't.

So and resuming, I don't see anything in Wodin's words that said that RoF sucks and I completly agree with everything that he says and NO, I don't think that RoF "sucks" but RoF it's simply "NOT MY CUP OF TEA" due to the reasons that Wodin posted - sorry if this makes you feel "sad/frustrated" but you have to accept other people's oppinions even if they go against your favourite game.

Really, it's clear that you don't like OFF (you said it yourself several times before) and it's clear that RoF it's your favourite sim (good for you, I respect that) and it's clear that when there are 2 forums/rooms with each one with a competing/rival game that there always will be people that like one game and dislike the other and that post the reason why is this so, so there always be people in the OFF forum that like OFF and don't like RoF (and post reasons for that) as well as there will always be people in the RoF forum that don't like OFF (and post reasons for that) and therefore I'm sure that there are a lot of comments in the RoF forum with people saying that don't like OFF (and post reasons for that)!
And course there are also people that like both games which is definitly NOT the case of me, you and Wodin where I and Wodin like OFF and not RoF and you that likes RoF and not OFF, which is a perfectly normal thing!

And so what if I was looking forward to OFF because I thought RoF sucked? That's my prerogative.

The difference is that I wouldn't have posted in the RoF forum because it would be considered trolling whereas you feel the need to sarcastically put the OP in their place in the OFF forum.

What you see as dragging a sim down is just that persons honest opinion.

And I have to say that the OP wasn't actually dragging RoF down but was talking about a lack of immersion (for them) and we all know how you feel about that!

I have to agree about the immersion thing.

I've not played RoF, other than a few flights with my inadequate rig which I'm sure didn't allow RoF to shine, still less any sort of campaign, although as I recall when I did try RoF there wasn't really a campaign worth talking about (which I hope is now rectified).

The reason I'm still enthralled by OFF is that it does have a superb campaign system, which lends itself to my meagre talents for story telling. I want my pilots to have a life independent of my input and OFF has been constructed so that this is the case. My RFC pilot Vic Timm has, miraculously, been in service since 1915, and thus I've been able to watch the air war progress and evolve over a couple of game years, and I can certainly attest to the skill and accuracy of the OFF team in terms of the ebb and flow of battle, as well as their assiduous work in ensuring that you remain utterly paranoid throughout!

I'm looking forward to P4, given all the teasers I've seen, and, if Dart's reading, I very much look forward to RoF having a campaign system worthy of the name (like RB3D and OFF) and also to the devs filling out all the gaps in the flying roster. Once that's done, it'll be, I'm certain, superb and as a fan of WWI sims will (once I have a decent PC!) take it's place on my rig.

That's odd you mention having an inadequate rig for RoF, yet it shines with OFF3? My experience is the exact opposite with a 5 year old quad-core. As RoF grows though, I know it is about time to pass this old workstation onto my son so we can sim together!

Regardless, what 'immersion' means to one is not what it means to someone else. The devs of OFF have several years head start with their sim, so I expect 'immersion' (whatever that means to you) will even out with time.

Bottom line is I feel very fortunate to have a choice between two excellent WWI sims to fly. I have supported them both, as well as First Eagles.
Why this petty bickering goes on and on ad nauseam is beyond me. Get over it, enjoy what you have, buy them all if you can...

I fly both ROF and OFF. Both simulations have their respective charms. I find both to be quite immersive only in different ways. As much as I like the OFF scenery and how it makes me feel that there is a war going on around me, it falls short in that there is no way to navigate unless I have that annoying radar circle thing on in the corner of my screen. OFF scenery lacks distinctive landmarks and the OFF map is absolutely terrible, looking like a map from an old Atari game. As much as I enjoy OFF, I hate being forced to use the radar circle and fly along the lines in order to complete my mission successfully. Does anyone know if this issue will be addressed in phase four?

Why fight about it? I don't understand single devotion to one sim/game anyway. I'm puzzled by that. I have all three WWI sims, including FE2. Here's what I get out of each/how I use 'em.

For quick and painless fun (translation: easy flight models and immediate action) I boot up First Eagles 2.

For the most authentic flight modeling and spectacular graphics pleasure, for a few minutes of solo off-line combat, I boot up ROF

For full-blown immersion on a war battlefield, and when I want to play for a longer stretch of time than a single dogfight (or two), I boot up OFF P3-BH&H.

It all depends on my mood, I guess. And I'm not much for online. I tried ROF online and was shot down quickly every time. I don't play any one sim often or long enough to be become good enough to be competitive online. That goes for racing sims too, so I don't bother with multiplayer. I only want a flight or racing sim to have excellent single player. The standard A.I. usually gives me a pretty good battle and a lot of fun.

It's hard for me to even think about dedicating a lot of time to one particular sim. There are so many PC games including sims, tactical first-person shooters, the Total War series, and on and on. I want to try them all.

Well the "point" is "simple":

-> There are some of us (many?) that only like play sims that have emmersive gameplay features such as immersive campaigns (dynamic preferably), historically detailed and immersive scenarios and even a wide chooise of aircraft selection (without being extra payware addons) and that while enjoying great flight and damage models prefer to have the great immersion gameplay than great fligth and damage models.

-> The majority of other modern combat flight sim such as RoF, Lock On and DCS series, IL2, IL2:CoD, etc... seem only to model flight and damage model with great detail while features such as campaigns/careers, sceanarios, historically accuracy and pretty lame and completly unimmersive (and the reply factor is basically null) and that makes OFF unique in the sim world is as opposed to the other modern combat fligth sims models a completly immersive and dynamic campaign/career while being historically accurate and having the most impressive flyable WWI aircraft selection from the start (without the need of buying every extra aircraft) and all of this with a very good fligth model and an OK damage model. This is what makes all the diference between OFF and RoF and this is why I only have my interest in OFF and not in RoF as my "WWI sim".
For these reasons, the only future combat flight sims that I'm interested in is "OFF phase 4" and "Combat-Helo". It's a petty that we don't see other combat flight sim having such immersive features and therefore I'm sure that's why we see people posting these kind of oppinions time over time.

-> For all of this I don't see what's harm in prefering one sim to another due to their features and of course posting it here in these forums. Doesn't forums serve for people to post their oppinions? It's not like the OP of this thread and others like myself are going to post in the RoF forum these same oppinions. Some of us have the oppinion that OFF is much better than RoF and don't care much for RoF and we posted reasons for this in a OFF forum and what still puzzles me is that some people that are clearly RoF players and rarelly if ever play OFF come here to the OFF forum posting that the OFF "fans" don't have the right to give their oppinions regarding why OFF is for them better than RoF in a OFF forum!?
I'm sure that there are also many RoF players that prefer RoF to OFF and post that in RoF forums and I don't see anyone getting bothered with that!

No harm taken, you are entitled to your opinion, and so are we...


Why yes they do...


Because you would be a troll then, wouldn't you...


Does that make you feel better? Or otherwise somehow fulfill your day or resolve your sim inferiority complex?


Naw, we don't bother wasting our time on mental masturbation like that over at RoF forum.

Sim Inferiority Complex: A feeling that one's sim is inferior to others in some way. It is often subconscious, and is thought to drive afflicted individuals to overcompensate, resulting either in spectacular achievement or extreme schizotypal behavior, or both. Unlike a normal feeling of sim inferiority, which can act as an incentive to purchase and enjoy other sims, a sim inferiority complex is an advanced state of discouragement, often embedding itself into one's lifestyle, and sometimes resulting in a retreat from difficulties [such as system crashes, unreasonable FPS, poor flight model etc.]. A sim inferiority complex arises from imagined or conditioned feelings of inferiority in one's sim. An individual experiencing repeated situations in which he or she feels they are getting less than others out of their sim (conditioning aspect) may imaginatively “blow out” their understanding of the experiences beyond what would seem reasonable to another person (imagination aspect).

Than this just clearly means and shows that YOU ARE A TROLL!



But you bother youself "wasting your time" posting your "mental masturbation" here in the OFF forum, curious inded...


For the rest of your mental diarrhea post/comments, I won't even bother myself the trouble of replying...

As I mentioned in my original post in this thread, in this forum, I fly both sims (not at the same time of course).
I took a moderate stance suggesting the conflict generated by posts such as you advocate have no value to any community; enjoy any sim for what it is, rather than feel it necessary to slag another to make you feel better.

You sir are the one hiding you head in the, ummm, sand.

Hi! Check at the combat ace forum for a new addon, based on the Pilots personality profiles that added some RPG features to RB3D some years ago...seems amazing ...talked about immersion ?

Barmy automated squadron experience for OFF

Well if with "moderate stance" you insult others posts than I really can't imagine what would be your "aggresive stance"

As the part that posts like mine "have no value to any community", it may not have any value to YOU but don't speak for others since it may have some value to others like for example:
- Imagine a Red Baron 3D player that always played this sims career/campaign and wants to play a MODERN sim that has the same/similar level of immersion (in campaign/career and scenario) so the OBVIOUS choise would in this case would be OFF (and not ROF).
- ROF is just like an IL2 in WWI with great flight and damage models but with little immersion in terms of carrer/campaign and scenario and this informations IS IMPORTANT to any simmer! IMO and for what's worth if a simmer does only care about flight and damage models and doesn't care about campaigns/careers than he/she should choose RoF (and not OFF)
- And it's based on this sort of information that it's up to a player/simmer to decide if he wants to buy/play only OFF or if instead wants to buy/play only ROF or wants to buy/play both or even none and its certainly not up to any of us to decide what other simmers will or should buy/play and again it's with the help from comments that "have no value to any community" like mine (in your oppinion of course) that can help a simmer in his/hers decision!

WoW, that's really interesting! I'll certainly must try that!

Thanks for posting Kaa

The only thing I want to say about the issue is that I don't think it is such a cut-n-dry choice at all when one starts to factor in 3rd party developments (eg. PatrickAWilson's Campaign generator (ROF), Herr Prop-Wasche's damage modeling (OFF), Lowengrin's Dynamic Campaign Generator (IL2 1946), etc., etc.).

My point is that it is not really a zero-sum-game at all (eg. choose 1 for flight/damage models, the other for campaigning). There are merits in all facets for each sim (and clear flaws as well). Enjoy them all, I say, and be thankful we have them and have a choice.

I sim with both RoF and OFF, love both for what they bring. Looking forwards to P4!

deleted - just realized how old the first post was.

I just got a new computer that can run RoF two weeks ago, and got RoF last weekend, so I guess even though this thread is old it's all new to me.

Having played both sims now (although I have more time in OFF), I have to disagree with Wodin and state that, to me, RoF is far more immersive.

I have really tried to like OFF and I have the original as well as the Hat in the Ring expansion. I do like the extraordinary range of aircraft in the game and I have had some tense moments of flying and fighting.

However, immersion comes in many forms. I can appreciate what you are saying about the whole "war going on around you" in OFF and I like that aspect of the campaign. I've run into some amazing situations in Falcon 4 when going about my mission and coming across some AI flight doing something completely unrelated. Yet, I find that when I crawl into my virtual plane in RoF, I feel so much more like I am really flying a WW1 bird over a warzone than I do in OFF. This is likely a function of graphics, flight modeling, and little touches that it is hard to quantify but in total add up to the whole experience. For example, I love the whole flare mechanic. I can't believe how much I love the rain drops on my goggles when it rains or when I fly through clouds, or the oil that spatters me when my engine is hit. I love that I can actually navigate by the terrain, can distinguish things on the ground and identify landmarks. These are all things that are missing in OFF, and while the spawning aircraft thing in RoF might not be as immersive in the "big picture" as a true AI war, I much prefer that than to be stuck in 1x time compression for 20 minutes while an enemy AI flight is off doing something completely unrelated to me in OFF, whereas in RoF I can just zoom on past and get on with it.

I enjoy having the entire planeset immediately available in OFF. At first I was opposed to the whole DLC airplane thing in RoF. However, now that I've done the math, and spent some time with the game, I find that I don't mind it much at all. I spent $10 for MSCS 3, $30 for BH&H, and another $30 for HitR (or more, I can't remember, they were at least $30 apiece). So let's call it $70 total conservatively. I spent $10 to get Iron Cross RoF which comes with 7 planes. The average plane on RoF is $8-10, with discounts if you buy in bulk. Let's say I buy 10 planes at a 30% discount...that's $80 total for 17 planes. I have to say that, if that's not close to what is in OFF, it has to be in the ballpark. Given the detail with each plane, that's a lot of flying. I also find that spending a few bucks when I'm ready for a new "toy" is easy enough compared to dropping $30-50 a pop.

So, in closing, I find RoF more immersive than OFF. I've bought OFF and I encourage others to give it a try- especially if your computer won't run RoF. I'm now in the opposite corner where my blazing rig won't run OFF without something to turn off 3 of my cores...and I'm just not ready for that. Maybe if Phase 4 brings something revolutionary to the table.

They are both great sims, and we are very fortunate to have such choices to make.

Everyone has preferences, for people different things count for immersion. However many people like more than one sim or game at the same time - something personally I have always encouraged. WW1 sims especially need support - they are a very rare breed and without good support from sim fans none will continue to exist. Also PC flight sims are not a great return on the vast amount of work involved believe me. OFF has a whole world going on around you and we worked hard to make you feel like it's not a computer generated situation but like Red Baron you stumble into situations that are going on if you are there or not rather than spawning nearby. Something we killed a long time ago.

For the record, anyone considering OFF and watching the pennies the cost of Over Flanders Fields: "Between Heaven and Hell" and the "Hat in the Ring!" expansion was reduced by $10 each a few months back (HITR is $9.99! for example) so there is no reason to not own if you like WW1 sims.

We have improved BH&H and HITR several times after release, adding features too, but of course for the last couple of years or so we have been putting all of our efforts from our small team working very hard on the next version of OFF which we think people will enjoy greatly

Will BH&H and HITR be required for Phase 4?

No they will not. Nor are they compatible.

Phase 4 - now being referred to by the Dev team as OFF 2 - is a total re-write from the ground up, not unlike Skyrim was to Oblivion, if you follow the Elder Scrolls series of RPGs. Yes, it uses the same basic engine, but the re-write of the code was so substantial that it is not a compatible product. It will still require a few CFS3 files, but other than that it's a whole new ballgame.

From the list of improvements that they have shown in their preview video and screenshots as well as what they have hinted at and described, it'll be a revolutionary step for the series, not an evolutionary one. The improvements and additions are vast, comprehensive and well thought out.

Hellshade

Thanks for the info.. really looking forward to it!

So OFF 2 is the next Skyrim?

Sign me up! I'm in! Here...here's my wallet...just take whatever you need!

It'll be "the Skyrim of the WWI skies". Have you been over to the official site and viewed the screenshots and preview movie? Tremendous work has been done in every area of the sim. Winder (one of the Devs) even leaked out that Flak will become more intense and more accurate as the war goes on, just as it did in real life. Personally, I can't wait.

Hellshade

I've now been flying RoF for one year. As a member of a squadron, I appreciate team flying in MP. For solo campaigns I use Pat Wilson Campaign Generator, although I must say the game Career has been improving with the last releases. I also enjoy navigation with landmarks on the map ( for MP evenings I usually display the map on my laptop nearby ). Graphics are beautiful, even on my 3 year old Core Duo E8500 with XP.
I had been looking at OFF for a while now, and seeing the new price I ordered BHaH. Right after the first flights, I bought HitR expansion plus picked up a few mods on Combat Ace while it was still online... So far I like the immersion and the early war capabilities as RoF is more 1917/1918 oriented.
I think we are lucky to have two good WW1 sims and will share my flying time on both, looking forward to "Wings over Flanders Fields".

Indeed, Corsair, the reall simmers enjoy them all, instead of debating over them.
I fly MP with RoF with some guys every now and then, and for my most immersive
campaign flying, I enjoy the historical depths of OFF.

When WOFF is released, I will definitely give MP another go there too.

OFF has another thing going for it in terms of immersion: OFFbase, my role-playing simulation of life between flights. With CombatAce down, I've posted info over here.

Perhaps I'm somewhat biased, but I remember as the Russian's where making the initial models. Considering the effects possible with the newer engine many may find it exhilerating, the only problem is it's their version of history.

Where as anything that you fly, or do in OFF is documented History. I was running OFF on my Pentium 4 in AGP, to say that it's old technology is a tribute to it's Developers

What sold me ( I was pretty much sold already ) was a Utube clip that featured a artillery shell exploding at an airfield. If any side really had a weapon that powerful the war could only last three months before the other side would clammer for peace

What I'm ticked about is I waited till the middle of Phase 2. To buy my TrackIR

Uncleal: I have to say, it's nice to see your name pop up again. I see you're updating the OFF Tips and Tricks section quite nicely. I just wanted to ask - how have you been, mate? Is life treating you well these days? Glad to see you posting again - hope you're doing well!

This is the first time UNCLEAL has been around, but I've been around under many names until I'm discovered. . .

The beauty of a moving front line (as is depicted in OFF) is sometimes you find your airfield coming under attack or right in what was previously No Mans Land. Try 3 RAF October 1918

For me one has loads of character and immersion whose world is a immersive treat , the other is more technical and dry whose planes are something to behold.

When I've been flying OFF P3 in dramatic looking storm threatening weather and a bombardment is going off all along the front as far as you can see then far away in the distance you see flak going off and you follow it's course trying to see if it's worth chasing or not for me no sim has matched that dramatic immersive vision. RoF can do what I've said but not at the scale OFF can do not even close. Also when ever I look out the cockpit and see No Mans land in RoF that is a massive immersion killer for me. Follow up tha with the amount of pilot bio's and the wealth of info in the game it's a historical document in itself.

I own and play both. WOFF is a must have.

I may give this one a shot too, just not getting my hopes up as immersion killer is different for everyone and sometimes it doesn't take much. For Wodin in ROF it seems to be no-mans land, for me it will be the FM and damage model, but "nothing ventured is nothing gained". I had FE, but just couldn't get into it and the planes felt like they were on rails, even with hard FM, so I hope this will be better.

I think that people have different approaches to the immersion feeling. It's legit to think that for some it will be the FM or DM, while for others it is the other "little" details that count.
I think most of us have played or play all WW1 simulators out there, so we have formed our personal opinion about which fits more with what we want or what we need from a combat simulator.
Personally, I'm with Wodin, it's those "little" things that killed my feeling of immersion. But thats me.

You never know what you're going to get, until you've got it

As a teaser the OFF crew offered a movie before the general release of Phase 2. It showed a Bristol M1 monoplane in action, that movie is a collector's item, in that we've yet to get that Bristol monoplane.

On the other hand, at one time when there was a convoy of supply trucks. And use of the Labels seemed the thing to do, eight British supply trucks were then seen on the road

Sometimes you long for more, like the horse drawn hay wagon pulled by the horse with three legs, or the Rail Road Yard with NO Tracks, and upon turning on your labels that Rail Road Yard was in dense forest

A Definate Bummer was the HANG ON BUG not everybody got it, I went three years without it, did a complete reformatt then installed from a homemade disc, and I got it

Phase 3 almost Never Was because of it. Finally Winding Man got it, and beat it and offered the cure as a patch

Ordered CFS3 and will get OFF2 when it releases, hopefully they offer both a download and DVD version as I would rather download it and not wait for a disk (but I know people like the DVD too).

I'm hoping this will co-exist with my passion for ROF (also hoping Clod will eventually fix my passion for BoB, eventually) .

Any guesses as to when we will likely see OFF2?

Uncleal - Phase 1 and 2 are miles away from Phase 3 in quality and content and just about everything else - so discussing them here is not helpful anymore, nor representative of where we are now by a long shot.

Yes some things were removed for very good reasons, many of which I won't bore you with.

Bristol Monoplane is not up to standard anymore, nor used in anger at all in any squadron at the front. So no campaign use, so would be QC only - which is only a part of OFF.
We would have to remake it to bring it up to WOFF standard too which would be almost pointless as it was never used -rather make a craft that was actually used? Given we are a very small team with all our time already eaten up 2X over.

Also talking about some old issues that some people may or may not have had with old software just confuses things Uncleal, so would appreciate it you not digging them up here, we need a sub forum for old phases at this rate.

WOFF is another leap forward of course.

Yes, I too would prefer a download.


And why they shouldn't coexist?!

Thanks VonPaulus! No reason they shouldn't co-exist, just with First Eagles I couldn't even play it anymore after ROF.

Two weeks, not too long now and boy we could be spoiled for WW1! OFF2 and ROF's weapon mods! Who would have thought that 2012 we'd be so lucky .

My Lips are Sealed

Just my luck, last month as a part of an austerity operation, I downgraded my cable connection from 22 to 3

Don't know your finacial situation but at these Lowered Prices. . . Why Wait ?

Seeing the new prices and knowing what "two weeks" mean, I decided to go for BHaH and HitR a few weeks ago. I've been flying RoF almost daily since May 2011 both SP and MP, I'm a regular squadron member, and I can confirm you I have no problem making both co-exist. I find both have strong points which complement each other. No reason not to enjoy both if you are a WW1 aircraft fan.

FE feels like a cartoon sim, OFF P 3felt like WW1.

Like Wodin I fly both OFF P3 and RoF.

RoF FMs/DMs are superb in the a/c
I have used - Camel, Pup, Tripe,
Dolphin, DH2.

But such is the immersion in
OFF P3 that I have literally
jumped with shock and suprise
on more than one occassion and
still do. This has never happened
to me in RoF. (MP may differ but I'm
strictly SP)

Willing suspension of disbelief innit.

Flying over no man's land is always haunting in OFF...

I won't say it will be always, but it's common to catch it the way you're referring to it, elephant. Your screenshots capture brilliantly well that haunting aspect.
I guess this was one of the aspects that dragged me unconditionally to OFF.
And I don't know what I can expect in that aspect regarding WOFF... could they have made it more immersive even? Could it really be done?

Thanks for the replies! CFS 3 is already on its way, but I have to wait until the release of OFF2 as money is a little tight.

Just a little something to add to the immersion factor. I've found a use for my bowling towel ( I no longer Bowl ). Drying the sweat off my joystick.

My brim visor on which my TrackIR reflector is mounted has an integral sweat band, so my eyes stay clear, as sweat stings

I sincerely hope I'm not pissing in anybodies cheerio's

But when Phase III was released the Disc was $50 plus shipping

seeing as this is a money making operation, I see no reason for otherwise

Phase III might prove itself a good deal Today

Only $19.99 plus $9.99 for the Hat in the Ring Expansion!

See here: http://www.overflandersfields.com/Buy.htm

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A bargain I say, doubly so in this economy.

I originally posted in this thread on page 3.

Since that time, I have gotten a much, much better computer and have spent a lot of time with Rise of Flight.

Today, I reinstalled OFF on my new rig, and discovered how to increase the graphics levels.

I reinstalled OFF for a very simple reason. Try as hard as I could to love RoF, the single player experience simply sucks (IMHO). I do enjoy a little MP but I am primarily a SP guy and RoF just wasn't doing it.

I decided to reinstall OFF to see if I could get into it again having a lot more WW1 flight time under my belt. Having spent a few hours with it tonight with the graphics cranked up I've come 180 from my page 3 assertion. I definitely find OFF a much more immersive and fulfilling single-player experience. Just great stuff. I saw more planes in two missions tonight in campaign mode than in a dozen RoF missions (campaign beta, I never quite figured out Wilson's program to be honest).

I do prefer the higher end graphics in RoF, and the stuff like oil on the goggles and flares and such. But I found the world had no immersion factor once the wow factor wore off.

Consider me a reformed WW1 flight simmer. You can count on me being a day 1 WOFF customer!

Great job guys!

+1

After purchasing all of ROF content and being with it from the start i to have returned to OFF (well realy never left it).

You are so right toonces ROF lacks immersion for me.

Please guys let's not start a debate ROF Vs OFF it has all been done before they both have there good points and bad.

toonces, just in case you want to read my "easy graphics setup pictorial", here's the link:

http://combatace.com/topic/60374-graphics-setup-an-easy-pictorial-guide/#entry452080

Yeah, let's avoid sim-bashing; it's no use.
I like the look of the RoF aircraft and effects, and I like to fly online MPs occasionally
(although I have seen cheaters with undestroyable Camels too often recently).

But when it comes to writing down my name in a Jasta's book, for a campaign with historical
data, depth and events going on; if I want to immerse in those aviators' world more than 90 years
back in time - then I cannot see any other work that could give this to me but OFF.
Of course OFF could be outdone and overtrumped soon - by WOFF!