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#3572362 - 05/13/12 10:00 PM Re: Fliegerasse! Helmut Wick vs. J. C. Dundas arrived today [Re: Nimits]
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Originally Posted By: Nimits
Originally Posted By: robtek
Originally Posted By: Nimits
Reading about the objectives, I am curious if the designers realize that Wick (or Dundas, or most any other fighter pilot) did not actually shoot down all the planes they were credited with. If you have to match Wick's score in actual planes shot down (vs planes claimed shot down), you are really doing something superhuman . . .


Interesting theory, impossible to prove, of course, but interesting anyway.

My opinion differs as i don't like such generalisations.


Shores/Cull, Ford, and Lundstrom (among others) have proved it in regards to the PTO/CBI; similar work has been done for the the ETO (most of which I have admittedly not yet read). Shoot, we know the Luftwaffe overclaimed significantly during BoB . . . otherwise, they actually would have knocked the RAF out of the sky in the first couple of weeks of the battle, had their claims been true. And they knew it. Just about every intelligence service in WWII used some fraction of aircraft reported shot down when calculating actual damage done to the enemy.


Reminds me of this smile.

"AIR VICE MARSHAL EVILL
[ACM Dowding is sitting at his desk reading reports. The phone buzzes. AVM Evill picks up the phone] Yes? [listens] Yes, one moment [turns to ACM Dowding] The Air Minister, sir. on the scrambler.

MARSHALL SIR HUGH DOWDING
[picks up green scrambler phone] Yes?

MINISTER
Ah, Dowding. Er. Look. Our people in Washington are having trouble with the American Press. It's about today's figures. German sources there are saying that our claims are wildly exaggerated.

MARSHALL SIR HUGH DOWDING
[listens, but says nothing]

MINISTER
Hello? Are you there Dowding?

MARSHALL SIR HUGH DOWDING
I'm here Minister.

MINISTER
Well I mean, can you verify the figures?

MARSHALL SIR HUGH DOWDING
[clears throat] I'm not very interested in propaganda. If we're right, they'll give up. If we are wrong, they'll be in London in a week!

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#3573233 - 05/15/12 11:51 AM Re: Fliegerasse! Helmut Wick vs. J. C. Dundas arrived today [Re: SaltyDog]
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Hi "Wick vs Dundas" owners
we make today 15.5.12 a Update to fix the Desastersoft radio call, please push the update button smile


Edited by NSU (05/15/12 11:53 AM)
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#3573394 - 05/15/12 03:48 PM Re: Fliegerasse! Helmut Wick vs. J. C. Dundas arrived today [Re: SaltyDog]
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And in case you can't remember how to update (I couldn't biggrin ) go to the Desastersoft folder in your start menu and you will see the Update command there...

This corrects the 'voice/text-overs' that accompany a lot of the mission triggers and waypoints...
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#3573598 - 05/15/12 11:01 PM Re: Fliegerasse! Helmut Wick vs. J. C. Dundas arrived today [Re: SaltyDog]
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ohh

yes HeinKill smile

the Desastersoft Updater you find in the Windows start menu cool

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#3574937 - 05/18/12 12:06 PM Re: Fliegerasse! Helmut Wick vs. J. C. Dundas arrived today [Re: SaltyDog]
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Thought I would check out the update and see how the radio commands work. Made a little video, of a typical Wick vs Dundas mission. You'll see the wonderfully busy airfields, nicely scripted mission, and a little surprise - the mission is ostensiblty to bomb Rye RDF, but...well, as you'll see...the radio commands allow the mission designer to change things up for the player!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oNJGzpHNb0M

Recommend watching full screen so you can read the radio text.

This is a very nice recreation of a historical mission by EpG 210 which put a broad span of British radar out of action...for about 24 hours. Mobile stations were up within hours and the RDF masts back on line the next day.

Mini version here, but you won't be able to read...

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#3575008 - 05/18/12 02:03 PM Re: Fliegerasse! Helmut Wick vs. J. C. Dundas arrived today [Re: SaltyDog]
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Nice video!

Seems like Desastersoft has made this half-baked sim into something like a real game.

Maybe it's time to buy CoD & the add-on and have an old-school pilot-experience with a proper campaign, stats and promotions.

Good thing about it is, I can get CoD for around 10 Euro now, and I have avoided all the aggro surrounding this "game" since the fiasco-release!

Cheers,


HeinKill, er du dansker?


Edited by BodyBag (05/18/12 02:05 PM)
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#3575378 - 05/18/12 11:56 PM Re: Fliegerasse! Helmut Wick vs. J. C. Dundas arrived today [Re: SaltyDog]
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That's is actually pretty awesome . . . though they definately need to work on the English translations . . . smile

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#3575421 - 05/19/12 03:04 AM Re: Fliegerasse! Helmut Wick vs. J. C. Dundas arrived today [Re: SaltyDog]
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nice Video HeinKill smile

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#3575429 - 05/19/12 03:41 AM Re: Fliegerasse! Helmut Wick vs. J. C. Dundas arrived today [Re: BodyBag]
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I'd say they definitely have added a game to the sim. Yes, the translations are awkward sometimes, but their translator does it in his spare time, and its a small scale operation, so I can live with it. Wish I could speak German, it would be better in its native language.

Originally Posted By: BodyBag
HeinKill, er du dansker?


Nej bare middlertidlig fanget i Danmark wink
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#3575438 - 05/19/12 04:11 AM Re: Fliegerasse! Helmut Wick vs. J. C. Dundas arrived today [Re: Nimits]
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Originally Posted By: Nimits
That's is actually pretty awesome . . . though they definately need to work on the English translations . . . smile


We try to talk our radio calls like the time in WWII, so it is very hard for our translater to translate this dialect to english. smile

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