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#3660860 - 10/11/12 11:51 AM Re: Resource for Falcon 4.0 exe file [Re: 531 Ghost]  
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I put the GOG.com whish link here, perhaps if this gets enough votes GOG and Atari might decide to put in on sale there.

http://www.gog.com/en/wishlist/games/falcon_40_original_not_allied_force

Inline advert (2nd and 3rd post)

#3686238 - 11/21/12 07:32 PM Re: Resource for Falcon 4.0 exe file [Re: 531 Ghost]  
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I've got the .exe and ONLY the .exe hosted on [admin edit: don't advertise where one can find pirated materials please]

It's not the full game, just the .exe so I'm not sure of the legality there tbh.

I'm not trying to be naughty, just trying to help people out. Am I safe??

Blud

#3686428 - 11/22/12 01:16 AM Re: Resource for Falcon 4.0 exe file [Re: 531 Ghost]  
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I'm an Author and ex-Publisher. The publishing business is still registered but the business is now closed. I participated in the writing of an engineering text book in conjunction with a co-author. It is now not in print. We hold the copyright for the book and receive intellectual property reimbursement from those who wish to reproduce sections out of the book. We have an organization here in Oz that handles collection and distribution of the same. I have no problems of an individual printing a couple of pages for their personal use, but multiple reproduction in terms of content or volume is not acceptable irrespective of the legality, or otherwise, of the same.

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#3686468 - 11/22/12 03:16 AM Re: Resource for Falcon 4.0 exe file [Re: BLuDKLoT]  
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Originally Posted By: BLuDKLoT
I've got the .exe and ONLY the .exe hosted on [admin edit: don't advertise where one can find pirated materials please]

It's not the full game, just the .exe so I'm not sure of the legality there tbh.

I'm not trying to be naughty, just trying to help people out. Am I safe??

Blud


Nope. That's quite naughty, and is a copyright violation suspect to full punishment under the law. In these forums, do not post links here or advertise/discuss/hint where such things can be found. That's a bannable offense.

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#3686558 - 11/22/12 09:20 AM Re: Resource for Falcon 4.0 exe file [Re: 531 Ghost]  
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As a virtual pilot, I have nothing but admiration for how the BMS team has improved on Falcon 4... hell, I've even had the most time in Allied Force and that is "newer," but BMS still blows me away! What better way to promote your hobby and get new blood than by helping others play? I've been tempted time and again to share the .exe, just the .exe, and pile up the reasons along the "why not?" category. However, as this practice is not encouraged not only by SimHQ but by the BMS team themselves, I've chosen to respect that choice by the devs and simply encourage others who are interested in this game to hunt around eBay for a used (or unused!) copy.

The only downside to this obviously is that as BMS gets more-and-more polished, more and more pilots will want to fly it but there are only limited number of Falcon 4 copies in circulation.... I hope the BMS devs see this dilemma and sort out a workaround!


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#3687176 - 11/23/12 01:58 PM Re: Resource for Falcon 4.0 exe file [Re: Force10]  
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Originally Posted By: Force10
So just to be clear, Falcon 4.0 exe: bad
Mods created from stolen source code: good

jk




Source code has not been stolen, it has been released by the programmers.


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#3687186 - 11/23/12 02:18 PM Re: Resource for Falcon 4.0 exe file [Re: - Ice]  
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since the need of the origina executable is done intentionally to respect original copyright owners work, (basically BMS has to be considered an add-on for people who rightfully have bought the original game) the only way to avoid the need of the original CD would be rewrite all the core code from scratch. Not very practical. Personally i own an F4 original boxed copy but i keep it as a relic and i only use the backup CD done with a normal burning software and no cracks were needed (either the original wasn't protected or i never noticed the protection errors when played original F4)In the past I borrowed the CD to a friend of mine for "evangelization purposes" but giving a CD to a friend to see if he likes the game is one thing, distributing it for free is entirely another matter, old Amiga owners should remember the "spread the word not the disk" philosophy of early nineties.
Honestly guys if you really want a pirated copy of anything just work on your goggling/torrent searching skills (I'm not making a moral point but if you decide to do something at least do it right).

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#3687605 - 11/24/12 10:57 AM Re: Resource for Falcon 4.0 exe file [Re: Bluedeath]  
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Originally Posted By: Bluedeath

Source code has not been stolen, it has been released by the programmers.


Actually it was a leak. The programmers, as is usual, didn't have any kind of ownership over the product. The only legal IP owner is the company (I think is Atari) and they didn't release anything to the public.

I'm glad that they leaked the code, but still illegal. smile


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#3687631 - 11/24/12 01:03 PM Re: Resource for Falcon 4.0 exe file [Re: WileECoyote]  
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Originally Posted By: WileECoyote
Originally Posted By: Bluedeath

Source code has not been stolen, it has been released by the programmers.


Actually it was a leak. The programmers, as is usual, didn't have any kind of ownership over the product. The only legal IP owner is the company (I think is Atari) and they didn't release anything to the public.

I'm glad that they leaked the code, but still illegal. smile



Maybe

but on the other hand if the IP holder wants to hold onto the code and do nothing with it - they can go **** themselves.

Every now and then ex LP members state they haven't given up etc - but there has been no evidence of that anywhere.


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#3688394 - 11/26/12 03:27 AM Re: Resource for Falcon 4.0 exe file [Re: MigBuster]  
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Originally Posted By: MigBuster
....but on the other hand if the IP holder wants to hold onto the code and do nothing with it - they can go **** themselves.


Says you. smile

Guys, you can scream, biatch, or hold your breath till blue, but the owners are the owners of the IP. And they control the rights to its use. Or not.

In some cases code has been released to the sim community with conditions (EECH) and in some cases it hasn't.


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#4066631 - 01/20/15 03:51 PM Re: Resource for Falcon 4.0 exe file [Re: 531 Ghost]  
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Hell, I picked up my version of the original Falcon 4.0 (with the tome of a manual) for 1 from a car boot sale. Keep your eyes peeled people.

Besides, I refuse to participate in piracy. My artwork has been pinched more times than I can remember, and I wont do it to someone else's efforts, irrespective of peoples perceived "morality".

#4067283 - 01/21/15 08:55 PM Re: Resource for Falcon 4.0 exe file [Re: 531 Ghost]  
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Makes me wonder how GOG is able to sell Microprose F-117 with my scanned Manual (if you have it, you can find my name). I'm cool with it and glad it's available (I even bought it again to support them and the game, and for their DOSBox tweaks), but it still makes me wonder. smile

#4068704 - 01/24/15 03:39 PM Re: Resource for Falcon 4.0 exe file [Re: 531 Ghost]  
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How did they get your scan? I know they have used docs from replacementdocs.com in some of their older games. Did you upload it there?

#4069847 - 01/26/15 11:16 PM Re: Resource for Falcon 4.0 exe file [Re: 531 Ghost]  
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I didn't, but maybe someone else did. IIRC, the one on replacementdocs.com has a different cover.

#4161227 - 08/26/15 01:57 AM Re: Resource for Falcon 4.0 exe file [Re: WaveHopper]  
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Originally Posted By: WaveHopper
Besides, I refuse to participate in piracy. My artwork has been pinched more times than I can remember, and I wont do it to someone else's efforts, irrespective of peoples perceived "morality".


Curious.

I neither advocate nor condone software piracy.

However, in the case of a 17 year old game where the IP ownership has changed a few times, no food is being taken off anyone's table.


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#4185918 - 10/25/15 01:49 PM Re: Resource for Falcon 4.0 exe file [Re: 531 Ghost]  
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#4189060 - 10/31/15 07:48 PM Re: Resource for Falcon 4.0 exe file [Re: F4UDash4]  
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Originally Posted By: F4UDash4


I ordered this today and although it was supposed to include Falcon 4.0 it was not included with the available downloads. Buyer beware!

#4189066 - 10/31/15 07:53 PM Re: Resource for Falcon 4.0 exe file [Re: Blooze]  
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Originally Posted By: Blooze
[quote=F4UDash4] GOG Falcon Collection


Maybe this will help:

Originally Posted By: Magnum
BTW Falcon 4.0 is in the extras of Falcon 3.0 Gold.... jus FYI.


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#4189093 - 10/31/15 08:42 PM Re: Resource for Falcon 4.0 exe file [Re: Force10]  
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Originally Posted By: Force10
Originally Posted By: Blooze
[quote=F4UDash4] GOG Falcon Collection


Maybe this will help:

Originally Posted By: Magnum
BTW Falcon 4.0 is in the extras of Falcon 3.0 Gold.... jus FYI.


Thanks, I found it and have it installed.

#4192800 - 11/09/15 08:44 PM Re: Resource for Falcon 4.0 exe file [Re: 531 Ghost]  
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Just to be sure. If I buy the Falcon collection on GOG.com it includes Falcon 4 and that version can be used with BMS 4.33?


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