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#3378228 - 08/30/11 11:56 AM
AMD/ATI HD7000 Series Official -- 4 Weeks?
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Rumor is that the HD7xxx series name is official -- because it showed up on an AMD slide. Rumor author says release is still scheduled for late September. About the same time Bulldozer (at least the Server version) is scheduled. Nvidia GTX6xx is not likely before March 2012 -- according to other rumors. Hmmm... I may be buying more stuff than I thought in September if the high-end AMD HD79xx are released then. But, there have been SO MANY delays that I'll believe it when I see it  HD7000 Series Name/Schedule
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#3378267 - 08/30/11 12:52 PM
Re: AMD/ATI HD7000 Series Official -- 4 Weeks?
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Allen, just save your money and wait for the 8000 series. You already have two awesome 5870's. 
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#3378341 - 08/30/11 02:09 PM
Re: AMD/ATI HD7000 Series Official -- 4 Weeks?
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Im gonna wait till tax return time, prices might be less, and I'll have a couple of Gs to splurge,
Where as if I build before then its gonna be budget buys on newegg and in waves (i hate doing that), consisting of alot of Low priced/Hi rated or buy this get this free stuff.
i'll wait till the end of Feb and splurge, I may get the case together this fall/winter though, as I want to keep my current rig running to some level.
I need to do the entire build: Case, Screen, KB/Mouse.
I figure the Mainboard/Ram/CHIP combo to be about $400, and the GFX about $300, then I just need Case/PSU/HDD about another $200.
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#3378398 - 08/30/11 03:30 PM
Re: AMD/ATI HD7000 Series Official -- 4 Weeks?
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Allen, just save your money and wait for the 8000 series. You already have two awesome 5870's. I agree. I'll be looking at review articles. I think the odds are that HD7970 won't be "visibly" better than 2x HD5870 in games I play (I can say the same for the first Bulldozer). I'll want it, but maybe I'll hold off -- or maybe ..... Its just that I like to have fairly new stuff for its own sake these days. I could hold out for the Black Friday sale. That might drop prices enough to make me feel OK about the purchase. On the other hand, since Nvidia won't be competing until March or later (rumor), the prices on AMD/ATI may go up after the first batch is sold at MSRP (they always seem to sell that first batch at MSRP -- lasts only a matter of days). That happened with the HD4870 and even more so with the HD5870. So, buying one of the first ones may turn out to be "frugal" -- assuming I was going to buy one eventually
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#3380849 - 09/02/11 11:30 AM
Re: AMD/ATI HD7000 Series Official -- 4 Weeks?
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Depents on if he is needed more vRam, if so the HD7XXX could be the right upgrade!!!
For me it is the right upgrade for my HD4890.
note some games do not have any benefit in running CrossfireX
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#3381012 - 09/02/11 03:17 PM
Re: AMD/ATI HD7000 Series Official -- 4 Weeks?
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Will AMD/ATI's $200 card (hopefully HD 6950 2GB speeds) be out soon? Or are only the high end ($300+) cards coming out soon?
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#3381033 - 09/02/11 03:50 PM
Re: AMD/ATI HD7000 Series Official -- 4 Weeks?
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Will AMD/ATI's $200 card... I have not seen which HD7xxx are coming out first. Its a good question to ask. Often, manufacturer's start with the "top of the line" or one down from that. I assume that will be the case. However, AMD/ATI haa been known to start with mid-level models when using a new manufacturing method (as they are for the HD7xxx). Last time, they started with the HD68xx if I remember correctly (same as HD58xx). The HD69xx came later (new architecture). Heck, I just hope we see something in October. So many slips (by both AMD/ATI and Nvidia) on the new 28mm GPUs -- blamed on the chip maker. Apparently, 28nm has been tough to make. On the other hand, the HD69xx cards use similar architecture to the HD7xxx. So, they are not trying a new architecture and a new process at the same time. That should improve the odds of getting good performance right away.
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#3381191 - 09/02/11 09:16 PM
Re: AMD/ATI HD7000 Series Official -- 4 Weeks?
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A "mid-level" card is something like the HD6950? Any will AMD's video cards still lack CUDA and be forced to do Physx on the CPU?
At the least I would hope it brings the prices down on the old cards. Both the GTX 560 2GB and HD 6950 2GB have stayed the same price for months.
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#3381276 - 09/03/11 03:40 AM
Re: AMD/ATI HD7000 Series Official -- 4 Weeks?
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Nvidia has CUDA which is their own proprietary language (though rumor says they might license it if AMD/ATI wanted it). Interestingly, a year or so ago, tests showed that PhysX runs faster on a CPU than a GPU -- except Nvidia "hobbled" the CPU code. The ever popular Intel Havok physics used in many (if not more) games uses the CPU because the CPU does the job -- particularly now with all the CPU cores. In the mean time, AMD/ATI worked with the industry to develop a non-proprietary GPU compute language called "OpenCL". It does the same things as CUDA but can be used by almost any GPU or CPU or company without paying royalties or recoding for different hardware. Apple has used OpenCL in their products for a couple years, for example. AMD/ATI and Nvidia both support Microsoft Direct Compute found in DX10 and DX11 (which is used in 3DMark11 for physics). Direct Compute and OpenCL have become standard (used by nearly everyone including Nvidia). All things considered, CUDA will fade as a tool -- because little or nothing new will get coded in it. As you indicate, a big advantage of HD7xxx for some folks will be that it lowers the prices on HD6xxx and GTX5xx
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#3385595 - 09/08/11 10:13 AM
Re: AMD/ATI HD7000 Series Official -- 4 Weeks?
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Oh drats! The Radeon 7900/7950 are reported to use XDR memory. I hate to buy something, where there is a chance some money is going to the patent troll we know as Rambus. http://www.nordichardware.com/news/71-gr...bus-memory.html
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#3385915 - 09/08/11 05:56 PM
Re: AMD/ATI HD7000 Series Official -- 4 Weeks?
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if everything works out though, the 7000 series will match 6000 series in performance at half the heat and power consumption... as for nVidia launguages.. they own what was left of 3dFx, surprised they didnt make a Glide CUDA plugin, get the gamers looking for 3d FX support.
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#3386803 - 09/09/11 05:14 PM
Re: AMD/ATI HD7000 Series Official -- 4 Weeks?
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An article on AMD HD7xxx XDR memory, PCIe 3.0 -- and ANOTHER NEW AMD ARCHITECTURE: AMD Radeon HD7xxx series Rumors rumors. HD68xx was the same architecture as the HD58xx. The HD69xx was a NEW architecture. Now, the HD78xx will be the same NEW architecture as the HD69xx. The HD78xx and lower models will come out during October - December. In January-March, expect the HD79xx. Up to over 2000 NEWER ARCHITECTURE shaders. Much faster clocks than HD69xx. Much faster memory. Looks like the one to get. So, I guess I'll be "stuck" with my 2x HD5870 until early next year when I get the HD7970. An updated Bulldozer is expected then (the first one has not come out but will in October-December it is rumored). Bottom line. This AMD/ATI fan should wait (but will I ) until Q1 (January-March) 2012 to get my new GPU and CPU. Oh well, delayed gratification is more gratifying
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#3387175 - 09/10/11 10:12 AM
Re: AMD/ATI HD7000 Series Official -- 4 Weeks?
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...PS: That's the same link I posted. My bad. I had two links up and hit the wrong one -- thought it looked familiar
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#3387206 - 09/10/11 11:08 AM
Re: AMD/ATI HD7000 Series Official -- 4 Weeks?
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#3387942 - 09/11/11 04:48 PM
Re: AMD/ATI HD7000 Series Official -- 4 Weeks?
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An article on AMD HD7xxx XDR memory, PCIe 3.0 -- and ANOTHER NEW AMD ARCHITECTURE: AMD Radeon HD7xxx series Rumors rumors. HD68xx was the same architecture as the HD58xx. The HD69xx was a NEW architecture. Now, the HD78xx will be the same NEW architecture as the HD69xx. The HD78xx and lower models will come out during October - December. In January-March, expect the HD79xx. Up to over 2000 NEWER ARCHITECTURE shaders. Much faster clocks than HD69xx. Much faster memory. Looks like the one to get. So, I guess I'll be "stuck" with my 2x HD5870 until early next year when I get the HD7970. An updated Bulldozer is expected then (the first one has not come out but will in October-December it is rumored). Bottom line. This AMD/ATI fan should wait (but will I ) until Q1 (January-March) 2012 to get my new GPU and CPU. Oh well, delayed gratification is more gratifying But if you had to upgrade tomorrow, would it be to the 69XX series? I ask because I'm looking to upgrade from my 5770, and I'm debating between the 6870 1GB, 6950 1Gb, and 6950 2GB. Of note, I play FSX, ROF, the DCS series, the Third wire games,CloD, Deus Ex etc. I'm also thinking ahead to Battlefield 3, Arma III, Take on Helis, Combat Helo, X-plane 10 I run these (when I can) at 5760x1080 Eyefinity. I was going to ask in a separate thread, but since the 79XX series is looking pretty good, I though the answer to my situation would help give a since of perspective on the 7000 cards.
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#3387958 - 09/11/11 05:14 PM
Re: AMD/ATI HD7000 Series Official -- 4 Weeks?
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...But if you had to upgrade tomorrow, would it be to the 69XX series?... Without doubt I'd be looking at HD6950 or HD6970 today. Which one depends on how one planned to use it, budget, how many years before the next upgrade, etc. No longer any sure dates for new products. Even Intel and Nvidia are delaying new stuff -- for unclear reasons. So far, AMD has not given official word on release of any HD7xxx. And, on a related note, AMD did give official word to pundits on Bulldozer -- in May they said June -- then retracted it in June (I got fooled into buying a Bulldozer system in May and have no Bulldozer to plug into it). A minute ago I was reading more rumor on the HD7xxx family. Much the same as above -- but, indicating maybe even later release of the top cards (in 2012). So, if one needs a card today, the newest rumors are saying HD79xx may be 6 months away from release. Older rumors were saying late September (this month). For months now, I thought we would have something this Summer. Now, I can't make a guess -- other than -- probably before next Summer is over. Now, watch, everything will hit in October BTW, for a couple years or more, the manufacturers have been floating bad rumors on purpose -- not to pump up sales -- but to see who is leaking their plans. Maybe some of this confusion is due to that cause (or not).
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#3388012 - 09/11/11 07:09 PM
Re: AMD/ATI HD7000 Series Official -- 4 Weeks?
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...But if you had to upgrade tomorrow, would it be to the 69XX series?... Without doubt I'd be looking at HD6950 or HD6970 today. Which one depends on how one planned to use it, budget, how many years before the next upgrade, etc. No longer any sure dates for new products. Even Intel and Nvidia are delaying new stuff -- for unclear reasons. So far, AMD has not given official word on release of any HD7xxx. And, on a related note, AMD did give official word to pundits on Bulldozer -- in May they said June -- then retracted it in June (I got fooled into buying a Bulldozer system in May and have no Bulldozer to plug into it). A minute ago I was reading more rumor on the HD7xxx family. Much the same as above -- but, indicating maybe even later release of the top cards (in 2012). So, if one needs a card today, the newest rumors are saying HD79xx may be 6 months away from release. Older rumors were saying late September (this month). For months now, I thought we would have something this Summer. Now, I can't make a guess -- other than -- probably before next Summer is over. Now, watch, everything will hit in October BTW, for a couple years or more, the manufacturers have been floating bad rumors on purpose -- not to pump up sales -- but to see who is leaking their plans. Maybe some of this confusion is due to that cause (or not). Hmm, I'll probably go for the 6870 myself then. That gets me through the next year of gaming, and will hold me long enough to let me upgrade to the 7 series cards at my leisure. With the right deals, they're going for as low as $150 w/rebate. Plus, it would be cheaper to cross fire.
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#3388017 - 09/11/11 07:28 PM
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...But if you had to upgrade tomorrow, would it be to the 69XX series?... Without doubt I'd be looking at HD6950 or HD6970 today. Which one depends on how one planned to use it, budget, how many years before the next upgrade, etc. No longer any sure dates for new products. Even Intel and Nvidia are delaying new stuff -- for unclear reasons. So far, AMD has not given official word on release of any HD7xxx. And, on a related note, AMD did give official word to pundits on Bulldozer -- in May they said June -- then retracted it in June (I got fooled into buying a Bulldozer system in May and have no Bulldozer to plug into it). A minute ago I was reading more rumor on the HD7xxx family. Much the same as above -- but, indicating maybe even later release of the top cards (in 2012). So, if one needs a card today, the newest rumors are saying HD79xx may be 6 months away from release. Older rumors were saying late September (this month). For months now, I thought we would have something this Summer. Now, I can't make a guess -- other than -- probably before next Summer is over. Now, watch, everything will hit in October BTW, for a couple years or more, the manufacturers have been floating bad rumors on purpose -- not to pump up sales -- but to see who is leaking their plans. Maybe some of this confusion is due to that cause (or not). Hmm, I'll probably go for the 6870 myself then. That gets me through the next year of gaming, and will hold me long enough to let me upgrade to the 7 series cards at my leisure. With the right deals, they're going for as low as $150 w/rebate. Plus, it would be cheaper to cross fire. Edit: Hmm, I'm seeing 6950 1GB cards for $160...this choice just got more difficult.... Edit 2: Just made the call, the 6950 1gb. I'll most likely cross fire if some good deals pop around black friday. The 6950 2GB is flashable to 6970 spec. where do you see a 6950 1gb for $160
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#3388021 - 09/11/11 07:35 PM
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...But if you had to upgrade tomorrow, would it be to the 69XX series?... Without doubt I'd be looking at HD6950 or HD6970 today. Which one depends on how one planned to use it, budget, how many years before the next upgrade, etc. No longer any sure dates for new products. Even Intel and Nvidia are delaying new stuff -- for unclear reasons. So far, AMD has not given official word on release of any HD7xxx. And, on a related note, AMD did give official word to pundits on Bulldozer -- in May they said June -- then retracted it in June (I got fooled into buying a Bulldozer system in May and have no Bulldozer to plug into it). A minute ago I was reading more rumor on the HD7xxx family. Much the same as above -- but, indicating maybe even later release of the top cards (in 2012). So, if one needs a card today, the newest rumors are saying HD79xx may be 6 months away from release. Older rumors were saying late September (this month). For months now, I thought we would have something this Summer. Now, I can't make a guess -- other than -- probably before next Summer is over. Now, watch, everything will hit in October BTW, for a couple years or more, the manufacturers have been floating bad rumors on purpose -- not to pump up sales -- but to see who is leaking their plans. Maybe some of this confusion is due to that cause (or not). Hmm, I'll probably go for the 6870 myself then. That gets me through the next year of gaming, and will hold me long enough to let me upgrade to the 7 series cards at my leisure. With the right deals, they're going for as low as $150 w/rebate. Plus, it would be cheaper to cross fire. Edit: Hmm, I'm seeing 6950 1GB cards for $160...this choice just got more difficult.... Edit 2: Just made the call, the 6950 1gb. I'll most likely cross fire if some good deals pop around black friday. The 6950 2GB is flashable to 6970 spec. where do you see a 6950 1gb for $160 my bad, I re-edited my post. It was a 6 850 card. I'm going to start a new thread with my 6870/6950 question, so as not to clutter this one though.
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#3389826 - 09/14/11 07:49 AM
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#3389906 - 09/14/11 09:57 AM
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The linked article confirms (doesn't prove) my previous "guess": That a single HD7970 should be almost equivalent to my 2x HD5870 CrossFire -- without the CrossFire limitations. I.e. HD7970 has roughly 2/3 the total shaders as 2x HD5870 -- but, it has more efficient shaders (some say by 20+ percent) and faster clocks (another 20+ percent considering both memory and GPU). So, in very rough order of magnitude math, 1.44x2048(HD7970 shaders) is equivalent to 2950 HD5870 shaders. 2x HD5870 has just over 3200 shaders. However, CrossFire (and SLI) does not scale 100 percent -- so, 3200 CrossFire shaders is more like 2700 single card shaders. If one followed all that, it means that the single HD7970 might out perform the CrossFire 2x HD5870 on average. Hope the rumor turns out true -- because I am psychologically committed to wanting an HD7970 when they are released
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#3389909 - 09/14/11 10:00 AM
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If that is the case then isn't the GTX580 in the same ball park!......and won't have the price premium?
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#3389926 - 09/14/11 10:21 AM
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The linked article confirms (doesn't prove) my previous "guess": That a single HD7970 should be almost equivalent to my 2x HD5870 CrossFire -- without the CrossFire limitations. I.e. HD7970 has roughly 2/3 the total shaders as 2x HD5870 -- but, it has more efficient shaders (some say by 20+ percent) and faster clocks (another 20+ percent considering both memory and GPU). So, in very rough order of magnitude math, 1.44x2048(HD7970 shaders) is equivalent to 2950 HD5870 shaders. 2x HD5870 has just over 3200 shaders. However, CrossFire (and SLI) does not scale 100 percent -- so, 3200 CrossFire shaders is more like 2700 single card shaders. If one followed all that, it means that the single HD7970 might out perform the CrossFire 2x HD5870 on average. Hope the rumor turns out true -- because I am psychologically committed to wanting an HD7970 when they are released Not To Mention Using Less Power, Putting out Less Heat. Add in the Supposed XDR performance jump and the PCIe 3.0 Bandwidth Jump...
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#3389949 - 09/14/11 10:44 AM
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... to the patent troll we know as Rambus. /me does a little happy dance. "USPTO declares key Rambus patents invalid" http://techreport.com/discussions.x/21630
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#3389955 - 09/14/11 10:49 AM
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Don't suppose these cards could effectively run games 3 30" monitors (7680x1600) could they? I am torn between keeping my single 30" or moving to 3 27"-- it's more the loss of vertical resolution (from 1600 to 1080) that I want to avoid.
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#3390274 - 09/14/11 06:31 PM
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Don't suppose these cards could effectively run games 3 30" monitors (7680x1600) could they?... If my daydreaming calculations prove accurate, two HD7970 in CrossFire at 7680x1600 would perform slightly better than my two HD5870 in CrossFire at 5760x1200. So, CrossFire would make 3x 30" practical, for me. However, our expectations may be different; so, I can't be sure how someone else would see things. Without CrossFire it would work well enough at 30" Eyefinity in many games, for me (a single HD5870 works well enough in Eyefinity in my system for many games). But, how it would look to you in the games you want to play -- I don't know. Typically, our flight simulations are CPU limited. So, a single HD7970 should work relatively better in flight sims, I am guessing. It should "blow away" most XBox ports -- XBox ports don't stress the graphics card much, usually.
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#3390403 - 09/14/11 09:56 PM
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Thanks. Game wise, here's what I imagine will be on my plate over the next year:
Falcon 4 BMS
DCS A-10
Battlefield 3
Arma3
Bioshock Infinite
Elder Scrolls Skyrim
X Rebirth
Dead Island
Red Orchestra 2
Mass Effect 3
Prey 2
Rage
Some of these would be pretty demanding on the GPU I would expect. At a resolution of 7560x1600, I am pretty sure I would be fine without using anisotropic filtering and other demanding settings. Do you know if any major sites like Tom's have tested the performance of the most powerful cards at this resolution?
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