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#3379583 - 09/01/11 06:49 AM Re: Babylon 5...trying to watch [Re: Raw Kryptonite]
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Archer was adequate, probably the weakest link save Mayweather, definitely the least compelling captain of any Trek series. I always wanted to see more humor from him, maybe like a typical closing scene between Kirk, Spock and McCoy.


Agreed in general, but he wasn't THAT bad. Expected a lot from Bakula, but the water polo wasn't the right way to go for the captain. LOL
He wasn't bad compared to typical Star Trek actors, but there were some non-captain cast members that outperformed him, with characters that were a lot more interesting than Archer. The actress that played Hoshi wasn't bad, just a weak annoying character. Tripp and T'Pol were some of the best characters in the ST history. They actually managed to make the engineer they guy you wanted the show to follow. I liked Malcom *because* he was so sterile. It wasn't a dry performance, it was actually the guy's personality by design. Dominic Keating is a good actor and did a great job. Phlox was indeed a good character and well played.

Aside from very good production, the main thing about the show is that it wasn't so utopian and easy. Shuttle pods to get around 99% of the time. Transporters were properly scary. LOL Bulkheads you could bang your head on. The ship had the feel of an actual Navy ship, not a cruise ship. No Prime Directive, no Federation, no holodeck, no shields (on the Enterprise at least). A single person couldn't run the ship on voice command. They had problems with communication, learning cultures and the show had the BEST treatment of Vulcans and Andorians. And they brought in the Marines when the real hand to hand stuff had to take place. thumbsup

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Agreed 100%, Enterprise was great TV and great Trek!
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#3379611 - 09/01/11 08:09 AM Re: Babylon 5...trying to watch [Re: Psycho]
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The first 2 seasons of Enterprise lacked direction and the show suffered viewer losses because of it. There's no doubt S3 was better than 1 and 2, and then 4 was the best of all, but the ratings dropped each year causing the cancellation because they took too long.

I think Enterprise would've survived for 7 years if it had aired in 1987, or 1993, or 1994. Starting in 2001, though, it just couldn't prop up the failing UPN network nor could the network support it when it took too long to move.

When I first watched DS9, I remembered my feeling about the show being "meh until the Dominion War started." I realized when I rewatched the series a couple of years back that the early seasons WERE good as well. The difference being I already knew all the characters, and it's obvious now the actors did as well. Once you know them, the shows are easier to get into and enjoy. DS9's problem, which was shared by Voyager and Enterprise, but oddly not TNG or TOS, was that it took too long to get to know the characters enough.

I always recalled DS9's first season as being very weak compared to TNG, but on reviewing it's apparent TNG was actually weaker. TNG was buoyed by that "oooh, new Star Trek!" feel that let it have the time to gain its footing. Voyager's first year I would put below DS9's, but still better than TNG or Enterprise's.

What hurt Enteprise was basically the casting (it was ok as mentioned, but should've been better), the changing network landscape, the timeframe change (no one really cared about the era they picked, everyone wanted either to go forward from where TNG/DS9/VOY left off or to go back a bit to post-ST6 and the so-called "Capt Sulu era"), and frankly the writing for the first season.
Enterprise failed because it took risks where the viewers didn't want them and it seems the writers had trouble getting a grip on it as well.

The show improved immensely when Manny Coto took over, but he couldn't raise a sinking ship.



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#3379641 - 09/01/11 08:50 AM Re: Babylon 5...trying to watch [Re: Psycho]
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Holy highjack Batman! From Babylon 5 to ST: Enterprise!

I watched the first maybe 8-10 episodes of Enterprise before I lost interest. The main reason was Scott Bakula as Archer. I just thought he was dull and didn't have that critical "screen presence" that Shatner and Stewart had in spades.
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#3379757 - 09/01/11 11:36 AM Re: Babylon 5...trying to watch [Re: Psycho]
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The main reason was Scott Bakula as Archer.


He was just awful, even Janeway was better. And I didn't like here much either.
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#3379791 - 09/01/11 12:15 PM Re: Babylon 5...trying to watch [Re: Psycho]
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I'd agree Archer was dull but I would not say he was awful. And I agree Janeway was better than Archer.
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#3379797 - 09/01/11 12:19 PM Re: Babylon 5...trying to watch [Re: Psycho]
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But Enterprise had the decontamination room. Not only nice to see in a sci fi show, but just plain nice to see for other reasons sometimes. LOL
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#3379991 - 09/01/11 03:25 PM Re: Babylon 5...trying to watch [Re: Psycho]
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Wasn't that just one episode?



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#3380071 - 09/01/11 04:25 PM Re: Babylon 5...trying to watch [Re: Psycho]
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3 that I can think of, all include T'Pol. Or the ones worth remembering do. LOL
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#3380282 - 09/01/11 08:26 PM Re: Babylon 5...trying to watch [Re: Psycho]
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I think they should consider casting Edward James Olmos as the captain in a future Star Trek movie or series. That death stare of his is the absolute best ever.

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#3380371 - 09/01/11 11:25 PM Re: Babylon 5...trying to watch [Re: Psycho]
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I think they should consider casting Edward James Olmos as the captain in a future Star Trek movie or series. That death stare of his is the absolute best ever.


He's way too serious and has too dark of an edge to be in any kind of Star Trek. That's a good thing. smile
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