Forums » Technology » Pit Builders » DIY Air-Core Movements


Page 1 of 2 1 2 >
Topic Options
Rate This Topic
Hop to:
#3350027 - 07/24/11 12:44 PM DIY Air-Core Movements
Mike Powell Offline
Member

Registered: 05/01/06
Posts: 109
Loc: California, US
I've been experimenting with tubular neodymium magnets for use in DIY air-core movements. I use a piece of 0.033" stainless steel wire for the rotor shaft and epoxy the magnet onto it. The movement body is made from 0.25" OD brass hobby tubing (K&S Metals). I use a short length of 0.0625" OD brass tubing as the rotor shaft bushing. I reamed the bushing to size using a 0.0335" (0.85 mm) drill bit. The bushing is held in place with yet more epoxy. I made a simple alignment tool to hold the bushing centered as the epoxy cured.

Here's a picture of an experimental air-core that's ready for the field windings.



There are more pictures and information on my site.

Top
#3350555 - 07/25/11 03:59 AM Re: DIY Air-Core Movements [Re: Mike Powell]
Valisk_61 Offline
Member

Registered: 08/28/06
Posts: 169
Loc: Widnes, UK
You've updated your site since I last saw it, Mike - looking good! Your instrument book is still on my list of things to buy...

I have to admit the only thing that is putting me off building my own instruments is the programming. I think I can handle the engineering side of things, but as soon as I get to the code bit, I get cold feet.
_________________________
FS~Valisk
www.skiesoffire.org

"If man survives for as long as the least successful of the dinosaurs – those creatures whom we often deride as nature's failures – then we may be certain of this: for all but a vanishingly brief instant near the dawn of history, the word 'ship' will mean – 'spaceship'." – Arthur C Clarke

Top
#3351212 - 07/25/11 05:13 PM Re: DIY Air-Core Movements [Re: Valisk_61]
Mike Powell Offline
Member

Registered: 05/01/06
Posts: 109
Loc: California, US
The site was originally built using FrontPage and was increasingly non-compliant with current day web standards. Finally had to bite the bullet and drag it into the present. Thanks for checking it out.



Software can be a frustrating handful. At least the compilers and IDEs are free.

Top
#3354961 - 07/29/11 06:03 PM Re: DIY Air-Core Movements [Re: Mike Powell]
Mike Powell Offline
Member

Registered: 05/01/06
Posts: 109
Loc: California, US
A brief update:

I got the field windings added to two DIY air-core movements. The larger has a 10mm long tubular magnet for the rotor. The smaller unit has a 5mm long magnet. Both work well enought to swing a pointer. The larger unit has a bit more torque, but the smaller one has less weight on the rotor shaft so should see less friction. So, one might be a bit faster while the other might be a bit more accurate. I'm not sure if either difference is big enough to make a difference.


Top
#3355052 - 07/29/11 09:18 PM Re: DIY Air-Core Movements [Re: Mike Powell]
Gene Buckle Online   content
Member

Registered: 01/13/04
Posts: 699
Loc: Graham, WA
What I wanna know is; how much did you end up paying the neighbor kid to spool all that wire on there for you. smile

This begs for some kind of little gadget to wind the bobbins without losing ones mind in the process. smile

g.
_________________________
Proud owner of 80-0007
http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind.
http://geneb.simpits.org - the Me-109F/X Project

Top
#3355313 - 07/30/11 08:46 AM Re: DIY Air-Core Movements [Re: Mike Powell]
Mike Powell Offline
Member

Registered: 05/01/06
Posts: 109
Loc: California, US
I actually have a winder made specifically for winding air-core movements. Sadly, it's for an earlier design and I've yet to make an adapter. Fortunately, adding the windings is not TOO mind numbing, or maybe I'm already so far gone I don't notice. dizzy

And you're right about the "kids" here, they do want to be paid, even my own daughter.

Top
#3355429 - 07/30/11 11:19 AM Re: DIY Air-Core Movements [Re: Mike Powell]
Gene Buckle Online   content
Member

Registered: 01/13/04
Posts: 699
Loc: Graham, WA
Hehehehe. Didn't you know that "Dad" sounds like "ATM" when it's pronounced properly? biggrin

A winder & glue-up jig would make a great cnc project...

g.
_________________________
Proud owner of 80-0007
http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind.
http://geneb.simpits.org - the Me-109F/X Project

Top
#3366559 - 08/13/11 09:54 PM Re: DIY Air-Core Movements [Re: Gene Buckle]
Mike Powell Offline
Member

Registered: 05/01/06
Posts: 109
Loc: California, US
Another update: It works.



It responds rapidly to 5 volts applied to a winding and shows no indication that the neodymium rotor magnet is interacting with the shield. I had some concern that it might due to the strength of the magnet and the fact that I used mild steel (galvanized electrical conduit) for the shield. The one thing I'm not happy with is the design of the wire guides that do a poor job of holding the field windings in place. There's an easy fix (I think), but I'll have to build another prototype to be sure.


Edited by Mike Powell (08/13/11 09:55 PM)

Top
#3367636 - 08/15/11 12:45 PM Re: DIY Air-Core Movements [Re: Mike Powell]
Brandano Offline
Member

Registered: 08/14/07
Posts: 187
Loc: Caput Mundi (well, it used to ...
Do you think it would be possible to drive these with two PWM signals? I think it could work if a virtual ground was used somewhere halfway between logic 0 and logic 1 voltages, but would the AC current negatively affect the magnet? Otherwise this would really reduce the amount of components necessary to drive the instrument.

Top
#3367735 - 08/15/11 02:17 PM Re: DIY Air-Core Movements [Re: Mike Powell]
Mike Powell Offline
Member

Registered: 05/01/06
Posts: 109
Loc: California, US
In fact, I'm planning to drive the movement with a pair of PWM signals. It won't hurt the magnet.

The circuit is pretty simple. There is a DS3695 chip used as a RS-485 data receiver that connects to a PIC16F648A micro controller. The PIC controls an L293DD H-bridge motor driver. The micro controller generates the two PWM signals in firmware.

I'm implementing the circuitry (mostly) using surface mount components. The small components allowed me to put just about everything on a single 2.4" by 2.4" circuit board. You can see a picture of an early version of the board artwork in the "DIY Air-Core Gauge Electronics" thread.

The prototype circuit boards were supposed to be delivered last Friday, but UPS neglected to put them on the delivery truck. With luck they will be delivered today. I'll post pictures on the other thread.

Top
Page 1 of 2 1 2 >
Topic Options
Rate This Topic
Hop to:


Forum Use Agreement | Privacy Statement | SimHQ Staff
Copyright 1997-2012, SimHQ Inc. All Rights Reserved.