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#3350258 - 07/24/11 11:59 PM Re: 1976 F2 Classic Short Series [Re: citizen guod]  
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My dumbass finally figured it out....I have my Move Seat keys something other than the cursor arrows....was using the arrow keys, then the Move Seat you mentioned finally hit me.

Thanks, Stewart...appreciate it.... thumbsup


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#3350260 - 07/25/11 12:04 AM Re: 1976 F2 Classic Short Series [Re: citizen guod]  
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No probs, glad you got it sorted. You know where to send your setup lol


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#3350266 - 07/25/11 12:11 AM Re: 1976 F2 Classic Short Series [Re: citizen guod]  
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Sure thing....as soon as we get the LE files, I imagine I'll start working on one. biggrin


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"Politicians are like dirty diapers. They need to be changed often and for the same reason."

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#3350290 - 07/25/11 12:44 AM Re: 1976 F2 Classic Short Series [Re: citizen guod]  
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I think that part of Doug's post about the LE files may have been left over from the '85 mod race.


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#3350299 - 07/25/11 12:54 AM Re: 1976 F2 Classic Short Series [Re: stewartforgie]  
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Originally Posted By: stewartforgie
I think that part of Doug's post about the LE files may have been left over from the '85 mod race.


Ok...I'll wait for clarification before I start tinkering. One thing I have learned doing some recon laps at Hockenheim....a radiator of 3 ain't gonna cut it, unless you want to be sitting in the paddock drinking tea while everyone else is racing....LOL They do have a tendency to build up some heat with those LONG straights.

The pole time for the middle F2 race at Hockenheim...they had 3 there that year....was a 1:59 and change. Without any real tinkering beside reducing the rear wing, I can hit 2:01 and can see much more progress available.


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#3350317 - 07/25/11 01:10 AM Re: 1976 F2 Classic Short Series [Re: Rob_Bakker]  
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Originally Posted By: Rob_Bakker
Originally Posted By: guod
A short series of 3 races at classic tracks using the famous 1976 F2 mod (which also happens to be quite a bit easier to drive than the 1985 F1 turbos!) wink

Driving Aids: Auto clutch, shift, optional traction control on low

Is TC going to be allowed? Or is that just left in there from the 85 F1's?


TC on low is a driver option.

#3350321 - 07/25/11 01:19 AM Re: 1976 F2 Classic Short Series [Re: citizen guod]  
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I've only tried the one car I selected....the Elf Martini Mk19, but I'm a bit confused by what's available in the setup menu and what some of the limits are for adjustment, especially in the powertain area.

In the Differential area, the lowest you can set the Coast and Power settings to is 60% or so, yet you can go all the way up to well over 100%. There's also a lot of built in Preload as well that will only go so low. There's no RPM setting adjustment...the engines might have been rev-limited, I don't know if they were but I don't think the FIA did that in 1976, especially considering they opened the field up for race-built purpose engines...which is what brought Renault and Hart into F2 in 1976.

Anyone have any information on what all the FIA ran, rules wise, in 1976?


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#3350467 - 07/25/11 06:51 AM Re: 1976 F2 Classic Short Series [Re: SteveGee]  
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Originally Posted By: SteveGee
I've only tried the one car I selected....the Elf Martini Mk19, but I'm a bit confused by what's available in the setup menu and what some of the limits are for adjustment, especially in the powertain area.

In the Differential area, the lowest you can set the Coast and Power settings to is 60% or so, yet you can go all the way up to well over 100%. There's also a lot of built in Preload as well that will only go so low. There's no RPM setting adjustment...the engines might have been rev-limited, I don't know if they were but I don't think the FIA did that in 1976, especially considering they opened the field up for race-built purpose engines...which is what brought Renault and Hart into F2 in 1976.

Anyone have any information on what all the FIA ran, rules wise, in 1976?


Yes, the drivetrain values look pretty odd, Steve. But you can work with it smile Regarding rpm - very true, there is no adjustment possible.

I suppose I've been the one here who did the most laps in F2, as I did a complete offline championship in January and February, as close to the historic F2 championship as possible.

I couldn't find anything regarding rev-limitations of the engines in F2 1976. Only the information you already got, that pure racing engines were allowed. Regardless of the non-existing RPM setting adjustment - in the entire series I did not have one engine failure, while driving a March762-BMW.

It was close at Enna-Pergusa, as I could only find the old layout which was almost all the time flat-out and I had to lift throttle later on in order to cool down the engine, which was overheating. This happened with the radiators already opened to the limit. The AI did not do this and many cars had broken engines in the end. With the tracks we use in this mini-series there won't be such a problem. The engine can get hot at Hockenheim for sure, but it lasted 40 laps several times wothout any problems. Anyway...It is imo crucial to have the engine cooling set up properly.

The LE car is also based on the March762-BMW for the sole reason, that it's very reliable and has good enough power. I wasn't so sure about other cars, most certainly not the Wheatcroft, which always suffers engine failure after a few miles. That is afaik not a bug in the mod, this is by design.


#3350612 - 07/25/11 12:34 PM Re: 1976 F2 Classic Short Series [Re: citizen guod]  
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I'm in, Car is TBD


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#3350674 - 07/25/11 01:38 PM Re: 1976 F2 Classic Short Series [Re: citizen guod]  
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Ze Warthog that is faster then a Cheetah
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I'm in as well with Car is TBD

Pumbaa / #42 Toj F201 Eurorace / Team Warsteiner

Pumbaa / #13 TBD ? Warthog Racing

Last edited by Pumbaa666; 07/26/11 06:26 AM. Reason: can paint my own car :D

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#3350929 - 07/25/11 06:26 PM Re: 1976 F2 Classic Short Series [Re: citizen guod]  
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Please include me in. I will pick a car in a day or two. Thanks.

Dave Bradley

#3351150 - 07/25/11 10:39 PM Re: 1976 F2 Classic Short Series [Re: citizen guod]  
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i'm in. still have to pick a car.

#3351187 - 07/25/11 11:35 PM Re: 1976 F2 Classic Short Series [Re: citizen guod]  
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ok, #41, Modus Cars, Modus M7. that's mine. smile

#3351213 - 07/26/11 12:15 AM Re: 1976 F2 Classic Short Series [Re: citizen guod]  
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There has been an update concerning team Emscher-Ruhr-Motorsport, as it is very likely, just not verified yet, that this team is strengthened by another driver. A custom car has alreday been made for him.

The cars of NatyMac and me have also received minor graphical updates.

It's available here: http://www.jgs4hq.de/F2/ERMS.rar

I contained the directory structure, so you can just unpack and overwrite into your rfactor folder.

#3351224 - 07/26/11 12:27 AM Re: 1976 F2 Classic Short Series [Re: citizen guod]  
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I will race, but I don't have a car yet. Are we allowed to make our own teams?

#3351362 - 07/26/11 03:43 AM Re: 1976 F2 Classic Short Series [Re: citizen guod]  
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Hey if we are allowed to make our own teams I'll start making my own


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#3351418 - 07/26/11 05:55 AM Re: 1976 F2 Classic Short Series [Re: citizen guod]  
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Sure, paint away!

Get me the files by 0600, 11 August.

#3351431 - 07/26/11 06:27 AM Re: 1976 F2 Classic Short Series [Re: citizen guod]  
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Originally Posted By: guod
Sure, paint away!

Get me the files by 0600, 11 August.


Excellent... I'll have to change my entry to

Pumbaa / #13 TBD / Warthog Racing

for now... I'll confirm the chassis and engine later...

Pumbaa / #13 Wheatcroft R26 Renault / Warthog Racing

I'll send in the car details later on


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#3351818 - 07/26/11 06:11 PM Re: 1976 F2 Classic Short Series [Re: citizen guod]  
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Ok I've finished work on my 3 different liveries for Warthog Racings upcoming F2 entries....

If you want to drop them in your install here's a line to the rar...

http://www.sendspace.com/file/laffjy











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#3351864 - 07/26/11 06:43 PM Re: 1976 F2 Classic Short Series [Re: citizen guod]  
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Pumbaa, did you really put the Renault engine livery in there? I tried to do that with the March sometime, but couldn't figure out how to do it.

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