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#3346396 - 07/20/11 01:32 PM Power Supplies and Rise of Flight  
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So I discovered something recently that really fascinated me. It seems that Rise of Flight taxes my power supply and video card more than any other game that I currently play. The reason I believe this is that I get random occurences while playing ROF where my monitor will go black and the GPU fan will accelerate to 100% speed. I dont hear any beeping though but all I can then do at that point is shut down the PC and boot back up.

I'm running an ATI 5850 and I discovered that my power supply (500 watts) just meets the minimum recommended power! So...I went to Newegg.com today and bought myself a 750w Corsair power supply.


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#3346418 - 07/20/11 01:54 PM Re: Power Supplies and Rise of Flight [Re: PanzerMeyer]  
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Power supplies are critical thats why I only PC Power and Cooling for power. I have a 750 now but could use more.

Actually ROF is not that bad on ps and gp but COD is the worst giving me gp temps of 70 while ROF gives me an even 62.


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#3346438 - 07/20/11 02:22 PM Re: Power Supplies and Rise of Flight [Re: PanzerMeyer]  
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Originally Posted By: PanzerMeyer
So I discovered something recently that really fascinated me. It seems that Rise of Flight taxes my power supply and video card more than any other game that I currently play. The reason I believe this is that I get random occurences while playing ROF where my monitor will go black and the GPU fan will accelerate to 100% speed. I dont hear any beeping though but all I can then do at that point is shut down the PC and boot back up.

I'm running an ATI 5850 and I discovered that my power supply (500 watts) just meets the minimum recommended power! So...I went to Newegg.com today and bought myself a 750w Corsair power supply.


Did you by any chance have ATI Tray Tools installed?

#3346451 - 07/20/11 02:30 PM Re: Power Supplies and Rise of Flight [Re: Laser]  
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Originally Posted By: Laser
Did you by any chance have ATI Tray Tools installed?


I don't think so. I'm pretty sure I just have the drivers installed.

Does the Tray Tools app cause problems?


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#3346452 - 07/20/11 02:30 PM Re: Power Supplies and Rise of Flight [Re: PanzerMeyer]  
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Originally Posted By: PanzerMeyer
So I discovered something recently that really fascinated me. It seems that Rise of Flight taxes my power supply and video card more than any other game that I currently play. The reason I believe this is that I get random occurences while playing ROF where my monitor will go black and the GPU fan will accelerate to 100% speed. I dont hear any beeping though but all I can then do at that point is shut down the PC and boot back up.

I'm running an ATI 5850 and I discovered that my power supply (500 watts) just meets the minimum recommended power! So...I went to Newegg.com today and bought myself a 750w Corsair power supply.


500 watts with only 5850???
What is your other system specs?
As i have overclocked i7 930 with two ATI 5870 (aint counting HHD and other stuff) - and its max in ROF only 550-580 watts.
Maximum what i took when i was testing ROF with 2xNV GTX295 (quad SLI mode) - it was 650 watts.


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#3346470 - 07/20/11 02:48 PM Re: Power Supplies and Rise of Flight [Re: =FB=VikS]  
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Originally Posted By: =FB=VikS
500 watts with only 5850???
What is your other system specs?


Intel Duo Core E6850
One Hard Drive
4 GB RAM
Win 7 64 bit
One ATI 5850
One 22" widescreen monitor

Still, I'll go by AMD's recommendations and get a better power supply. I don't want to be using something that just meets the minimum power requirements for the 5850.

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#3346500 - 07/20/11 03:15 PM Re: Power Supplies and Rise of Flight [Re: PanzerMeyer]  
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Also keep in mind that powersupplies lose efficiency over time, as well as their ability to take a load at their original rated max watt. For example, a 3 year old 500W powersupply will probably only allow a 470W-480W load, at 60%-70% efficiency.

My specs are in my sig, and with ROF running with the 3 monitors plugged into to the same UPS/AVR as my PC, the UPS/AVR tells me my total load is about 540W-580W running ROF.


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#3346518 - 07/20/11 03:25 PM Re: Power Supplies and Rise of Flight [Re: ArgonV]  
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Originally Posted By: ArgonV
For example, a 3 year old 500W powersupply will probably only allow a 470W-480W load, at 60%-70% efficiency.

Excellent point and yes, my current PS is older than 3 years. My new 750w PS is already on its way. smile


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#3346559 - 07/20/11 03:58 PM Re: Power Supplies and Rise of Flight [Re: PanzerMeyer]  
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Did you by any chance have ATI Tray Tools installed?


I don't think so. I'm pretty sure I just have the drivers installed.

Does the Tray Tools app cause problems?


Yes indeed, latest ATT version with ATI cards is known to cause "100% GPU fan with PC crash" effect.

#3346569 - 07/20/11 04:01 PM Re: Power Supplies and Rise of Flight [Re: PanzerMeyer]  
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I run ATT and don't get that problem... But I'm running an older driver (CCC 10.12).


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#3346571 - 07/20/11 04:04 PM Re: Power Supplies and Rise of Flight [Re: PanzerMeyer]  
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Originally Posted By: PanzerMeyer
So I discovered something recently that really fascinated me. It seems that Rise of Flight taxes my power supply and video card more than any other game that I currently play. The reason I believe this is that I get random occurences while playing ROF where my monitor will go black and the GPU fan will accelerate to 100% speed. I dont hear any beeping though but all I can then do at that point is shut down the PC and boot back up.

I'm running an ATI 5850 and I discovered that my power supply (500 watts) just meets the minimum recommended power! So...I went to Newegg.com today and bought myself a 750w Corsair power supply.


Good move on the new Corsair. I made the mistake of getting a cheap PSU while running with my X1950XT a few years back - which duly died well before its time. I now have a 650w Corsair. Buy cheap, pay twice. smile

And always go well beyond the minimum required for any given component when choosing a new PSU. smile
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Power supplies are critical thats why I only PC Power and Cooling for power. I have a 750 now but could use more.

Actually ROF is not that bad on ps and gp but COD is the worst giving me gp temps of 70 while ROF gives me an even 62.


70 under load isn't really that bad is it?

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#3346600 - 07/20/11 04:22 PM Re: Power Supplies and Rise of Flight [Re: Laser]  
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Originally Posted By: Laser
Yes indeed, latest ATT version with ATI cards is known to cause "100% GPU fan with PC crash" effect.


Thanks for the info. Much appreciated.

The interesting thing with my experience though is that my crashes + 100% GPU fan have only occured while playing ROF. I play a bunch of other games and I've not had the crash occur at all with them.

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#3346607 - 07/20/11 04:29 PM Re: Power Supplies and Rise of Flight [Re: PanzerMeyer]  
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Maybe too obvious, but don't forget to blow out all the dust and crap that builds up on the gpu fan. Just saying because I forget as well, and it is summer in the Northern hemisphere after all.

I had an X1900XT and it overheated consistently after about 3 months due to dust build up because of poor fan design. I went through 3 of them on warranty before giving up.


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#3346730 - 07/20/11 06:12 PM Re: Power Supplies and Rise of Flight [Re: PanzerMeyer]  
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OK first we go for a decent calculation, like in:
http://www.coolermaster.com/support/psu_calculator.php
http://extreme.outervision.com/psucalculatorlite.jsp
http://www.thermaltake.outervision.com/

then go for the certify AMD PSU selection on the AMD site:
http://support.amd.com/us/certified/power-supplies/Pages/listing.aspx
To get the listed PSU of your choice inhere.

But remember, like I wrote down in the RoF forum, remove all the old nVidia drivers by using the http://www.guru3d.com/category/driversweeper/
These hidden leftovers could give a conflict!!

You could also download a stress testing software like from 3D-mark to check if the problem still occur, at 100% Vcard load.

Good luck!!

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#3346738 - 07/20/11 06:16 PM Re: Power Supplies and Rise of Flight [Re: dutch]  
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Originally Posted By: dutch
remove all the old nVidia drivers by using the http://www.guru3d.com/category/driversweeper/
These hidden leftovers could give a conflict!!



I already did this a couple days ago and removed every vestige of Nvidia drivers from my PC. Thanks! smile


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#3347306 - 07/21/11 12:34 PM Re: Power Supplies and Rise of Flight [Re: PanzerMeyer]  
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#3347339 - 07/21/11 01:31 PM Re: Power Supplies and Rise of Flight [Re: PanzerMeyer]  
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Thats right, PSU`s efficiency and peak power decrease over time, but it`s especially true with 500 watt`s which actually die a lot faster if they constantly have to run at near full potential, Took me 6 years to kill a 500 Watt PSU by steadily upgrading and increasing performance in the chassis of my PC, the hardware it uses now didnt even need 5 months to kill the next brand new 500W at which time I went over to a big Mist psu.

#3347465 - 07/21/11 04:28 PM Re: Power Supplies and Rise of Flight [Re: PanzerMeyer]  
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Running RoF on an iMac through bootcamp and from what I can see the power supply is 305W and I've never had any ooutage problems; everything's as smooth as a nut even on max. settings.

Does tend to get a tad hot over time though which is to be expected for an all in one machine.

#3347516 - 07/21/11 05:21 PM Re: Power Supplies and Rise of Flight [Re: PanzerMeyer]  
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I just looked it up online and I ordered my current 500w PS from Newegg in November of 2006! So I guess getting almost 5 years use out of it isn't too shabby.

I'll be sure to post my results here with ROF after I've installed the new 750w PS. smile


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#3350597 - 07/25/11 12:16 PM Re: Power Supplies and Rise of Flight [Re: PanzerMeyer]  
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I flew about 5 hours of ROF this weekend with the new power supply and everything went perfectly smooth!

I'm glad I got this new PS since I'll be upgrading my mobo/cpu/memory later this year.


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