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#3346188 - 07/19/11 11:18 PM
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does FSX benefit from it or not? and would having the OS on 1 drive and FSX on another really benefit it or not? thanks
Edited by SsSsSsSsSnake (07/19/11 11:18 PM)
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#3346263 - 07/20/11 02:50 AM
Re: would 3 gig video ram be a waste of money over 1.5
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personnaly I think 1.5gb of VRAM is enough for FSX, but I havent tried with some heavy textures airport like OrbX. You wont see any gain in having FSX on an other drive as your OS. You'll see a difference in load time/pup-up if FSX is installed on a SSD. Have you tweak your FSX.cfg so that FSX wont run with the same core as the OS? Might help. EDIT: and wich GPU has 3gb of vram? if you'll SLI/Xfire 2 GPU that has 1.5gb you'll still have 1.5gb, they don't add to each other, they mirror
Edited by Genbrien (07/20/11 02:55 AM)
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#3346299 - 07/20/11 04:25 AM
Re: would 3 gig video ram be a waste of money over 1.5
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personnaly I think 1.5gb of VRAM is enough for FSX, but I havent tried with some heavy textures airport like OrbX. You wont see any gain in having FSX on an other drive as your OS. You'll see a difference in load time/pup-up if FSX is installed on a SSD. Have you tweak your FSX.cfg so that FSX wont run with the same core as the OS? Might help. EDIT: and wich GPU has 3gb of vram? if you'll SLI/Xfire 2 GPU that has 1.5gb you'll still have 1.5gb, they don't add to each other, they mirror You can easily get a GTX 580 with 3GB. http://www.guru3d.com/news/palit-releases-geforce-gtx-580-with-3gb/
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#3346328 - 07/20/11 05:02 AM
Re: would 3 gig video ram be a waste of money over 1.5
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personnaly I think 1.5gb of VRAM is enough for FSX, but I havent tried with some heavy textures airport like OrbX. You wont see any gain in having FSX on an other drive as your OS. You'll see a difference in load time/pup-up if FSX is installed on a SSD. Have you tweak your FSX.cfg so that FSX wont run with the same core as the OS? Might help. EDIT: and wich GPU has 3gb of vram? if you'll SLI/Xfire 2 GPU that has 1.5gb you'll still have 1.5gb, they don't add to each other, they mirror You can easily get a GTX 580 with 3GB. http://www.guru3d.com/news/palit-releases-geforce-gtx-580-with-3gb/ oh my bad. I thought that they were only 1.5gb 
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#3346372 - 07/20/11 06:07 AM
Re: would 3 gig video ram be a waste of money over 1.5
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EDIT: and wich GPU has 3gb of vram? GTX 590 for one. ATI 5970 4GB card!!
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#3346385 - 07/20/11 06:21 AM
Re: would 3 gig video ram be a waste of money over 1.5
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does FSX benefit from it or not? and would having the OS on 1 drive and FSX on another really benefit it or not? thanks Check to see how much video memory you are using with nVidia inspector. If you are using all 1.5 Gb, then get a 3 Gb+ card (GTX 590). 2 x 1.5 Gb cards in SLI won't get you 3GB however, only 1.5 Gb total. IMHO opinion a 4Gz+ OC would do you more good. Practically, you should be able to reach anywhere between ~4.5 and roughly 5 GHz on air cooling vs your stock 3.4 Ghz.
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#3346800 - 07/20/11 12:12 PM
Re: would 3 gig video ram be a waste of money over 1.5
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does FSX benefit from it or not? and would having the OS on 1 drive and FSX on another really benefit it or not? thanks Check to see how much video memory you are using with nVidia inspector. If you are using all 1.5 Gb, then get a 3 Gb+ card (GTX 590). 2 x 1.5 Gb cards in SLI won't get you 3GB however, only 1.5 Gb total. IMHO opinion a 4Gz+ OC would do you more good. Practically, you should be able to reach anywhere between ~4.5 and roughly 5 GHz on air cooling vs your stock 3.4 Ghz. Okay, Icarus. I need your expert guidance. You're obviously a technical whiz and I'm not at all. What is "nVidia inspector?" Do I have it with my current video card (GTX 285)? Do I download it from somewhere?
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#3346856 - 07/20/11 01:25 PM
Re: would 3 gig video ram be a waste of money over 1.5
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Okay, Icarus. I need your expert guidance. You're obviously a technical whiz and I'm not at all. What is "nVidia inspector?" Do I have it with my current video card (GTX 285)? Do I download it from somewhere?
Plainsman, You are a funny guy. The good news is for you that I'm certainly no computer whiz either LOL. But I have Google and I use it often. I found nVidiaInspector by Googling "monitor video memory" If you Google nVidiainspector it will send you here: http://www.geeks3d.com/20110305/nvidia-inspector-1-9-5-5-available/ Enjoy the free software. PS If you like Spitfires, A2A's Wings of Power 3 Spit with AccuSim addon is very very good.  
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#3346954 - 07/20/11 03:23 PM
Re: would 3 gig video ram be a waste of money over 1.5
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thankyou once more guys.looking into all this .:)
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#3346958 - 07/20/11 03:25 PM
Re: would 3 gig video ram be a waste of money over 1.5
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Damn Icarus! That Spit looks way better than the one in IL2 COD. WAY BETTER!!! Thanks for the info re nVidia inspector
Downloaded. Now how do I measure the ram usage by a game (like FSX)? I can't be in-game on view the meter at the same time, correct?
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#3346974 - 07/20/11 03:53 PM
Re: would 3 gig video ram be a waste of money over 1.5
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Get GPU-Z, it has a nice logging tool (and yes, you only have to type it into google to find it  ). Even my 1280 MB GTX 570 doesn`t use its memory to 100 % @ 1920x1080. As said before, FSX isn`t depending on the biggest video-memory or the most fast GPU. It loves fast CPUs. So anything above 1,5 GB is overkill, if your main target is FSX and you don`t have a multi-screen setup.
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#3347018 - 07/20/11 05:17 PM
Re: would 3 gig video ram be a waste of money over 1.5
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Get GPU-Z, it has a nice logging tool (and yes, you only have to type it into google to find it  ). Even my 1280 MB GTX 570 doesn`t use its memory to 100 % @ 1920x1080. As said before, FSX isn`t depending on the biggest video-memory or the most fast GPU. It loves fast CPUs. So anything above 1,5 GB is overkill, if your main target is FSX and you don`t have a multi-screen setup. Thanks,I'll try it. Should I uninstall nVidia inspector?
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#3347035 - 07/20/11 06:09 PM
Re: would 3 gig video ram be a waste of money over 1.5
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Get GPU-Z, it has a nice logging tool (and yes, you only have to type it into google to find it  ). Even my 1280 MB GTX 570 doesn`t use its memory to 100 % @ 1920x1080. As said before, FSX isn`t depending on the biggest video-memory or the most fast GPU. It loves fast CPUs. So anything above 1,5 GB is overkill, if your main target is FSX and you don`t have a multi-screen setup. Thanks,I'll try it. Should I uninstall nVidia inspector? No you can have both.
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#3347068 - 07/20/11 07:07 PM
Re: would 3 gig video ram be a waste of money over 1.5
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Damn Icarus! That Spit looks way better than the one in IL2 COD. WAY BETTER!!! Thanks for the info re nVidia inspector
Downloaded. Now how do I measure the ram usage by a game (like FSX)? I can't be in-game on view the meter at the same time, correct? Sorry, I have two moniotrs, I wasn't thinking. However you can click on the little graph icon at upper right and it will log it for you. Right click on the graph and make sure memory usage is checked. Run FSX for a bit and minimize it and see the results, or run FSX in windowed mode. WAAAAY nicer Spit than CoD. Far more realistic too. Its the most realistic Spit yet. Engine sounds are good and dynamic, meaning they react to what is wrong with the engine as in real life. Very deep in detail and authenticity. Heres another skin taking off from Bigginn Hill and waking up the Senators.  
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#3347201 - 07/21/11 01:02 AM
Re: would 3 gig video ram be a waste of money over 1.5
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Damn Icarus! That Spit looks way better than the one in IL2 COD. WAY BETTER!!! Thanks for the info re nVidia inspector
Downloaded. Now how do I measure the ram usage by a game (like FSX)? I can't be in-game on view the meter at the same time, correct? I got that A2A spit Plainsman and i can tell you it is fabulous
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#3347756 - 07/21/11 02:41 PM
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Plainsman did you check your Vram usage?
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#3347773 - 07/21/11 03:06 PM
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I tested the v memory on my GTX 580 and it never went over 800Mb usage in FSX, even over Manhattan. Usually uses 4-5 Gb of RAM (It used 6 Gb once). Its totally CPU bound CPU usage near 100 % on three cores @3.67 Ghz. More Mhz is the only thing it seems to want.
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#3347884 - 07/21/11 06:27 PM
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I tested the v memory on my GTX 580 and it never went over 800Mb usage in FSX, even over Manhattan. Usually uses 4-5 Gb of RAM (It used 6 Gb once). Its totally CPU bound CPU usage near 100 % on three cores @3.67 Ghz. More Mhz is the only thing it seems to want. My God. No need for me to test then. What CPU do I need? I have a lowly i7 920@ 3.6GHz. 6 GB of 1600RAM. What's the next gen chip coming out that will run this?
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#3347907 - 07/21/11 07:08 PM
Re: would 3 gig video ram be a waste of money over 1.5
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My God. No need for me to test then. What CPU do I need? I have a lowly i7 920@ 3.6GHz. 6 GB of 1600RAM. What's the next gen chip coming out that will run this?
Dude, you have a better CPU than me already. I have a QX6850 OC'd @ 3.76 Ghz 8 Gb RAM and a GTX 580. You could probably overclock yours to over 4 Ghz on air. But I'm puzzled as to why you are having trouble running FSX with that rig. Perhaps your config fileis not optimized for your rig. Honestly, it took me many hours of tweaking the config file to acheive success with FSX, it can be a buggerfor some and for others not. I can't help you with that as it varies from omp to comp. You just have to spend time adjusting the file and testing every tweak. Next gen Intel chip is the Ivy Bridge, but its a ways out. Thats what I'm waiting for before I upgrade. But frankly I can run anything on mine at 2560 x 1600 res and software on full (Crysis, 1&2, FSX, Warthog), so I'm not in a hurry.
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#3348036 - 07/21/11 11:20 PM
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thankyou Icarus,
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#3348144 - 07/22/11 04:50 AM
Re: would 3 gig video ram be a waste of money over 1.5
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Yes it has been proved that anything over 1GB video RAM at present is a waste of money. A bit like going over 4GB on a 32bit system because only a small amount of it is used for the game the rest is retained for system (unless you use the 3GB switch).
At present it is advised to run 64bit with minimum 4GB RAM (so more of it will be used) but no need to go mad, a 1GB graphics card and the fastest cpu you can afford with plenty of cache.
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#3349850 - 07/24/11 07:15 AM
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well not sure about the proven stats I know for a FACT that ArmA2:OA in some mission uses close to 1180mb video ram in game?? so I would say 1.5 should be good for vid ram but then again maybe if your flying FSX I hear that can get pretty demanding on ram for system & Vid memory especially if using the advanced graphics for scenery addons..
I for one would rather have more then not enough..couldnt hurt much but not having enough can.. plus if you are using a 32bit OS more then 3.5gb ram would be a waste and that would be a total of ALL Memory used..
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#3349950 - 07/24/11 10:58 AM
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This is a good argument but there doesn't seem to be a definitive answer. It sounds like the amount of video RAM needed is program dependent. That a sim like FSX with tons of scenery add-ons would scream for as much video RAM as possible, even 3 gigs worth might not be enough depending on how much sh*t you've got loaded in the game, while most PC games will run like greased lightening with only 1 gig of vid ram and have plenty left over.
Am I right? So, is the 3Gig GTX 580 worth the extra cost over the standard 1.5Gig GTX 580? I've seen the xtra cost at about $150 bucks. I want to upgrade my GTX 285.
Edited by Plainsman (07/24/11 11:02 AM)
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#3349973 - 07/24/11 11:42 AM
Re: would 3 gig video ram be a waste of money over 1.5
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As I said before, use GPU-Z and you`ll see how much VRAM is used.
I have GEX, REX, UTX, ORBX, Global X and a ton off addon Airports including some Megaairports. The only thing I can`t comment on is Cities, like Manhattan X as I have none.
My VRAM usage nearly never goes past 900 MB, mostly it is around 800 MB. This is on a 1280 MB card with a single monitor @ 1920x1080. So if the main goal is FSX, I wouldn`t spend more money if the fps are okay.
If you are interested in say CoD, it seems it is better getting a 2 GB card, as folks say they have better results in smoothness. GPU-Z logs a usage of around 1100 MB in CoD on my machine, so it`s pretty saturated.
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#3349987 - 07/24/11 12:01 PM
Re: would 3 gig video ram be a waste of money over 1.5
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It sounds like the amount of video RAM needed is program dependent. That a sim like FSX with tons of scenery add-ons would scream for as much video RAM as possible, even 3 gigs worth might not be enough depending on how much sh*t you've got loaded in the game, while most PC games will run like greased lightening with only 1 gig of vid ram and have plenty left over.
Am I right? So, is the 3Gig GTX 580 worth the extra cost over the standard 1.5Gig GTX 580? I've seen the xtra cost at about $150 bucks. I want to upgrade my GTX 285. There is no way FSX will EVER call for over 3 Gigs of video ram. I told you before, that FSX has never called for more than 800 on my 580 and nver more than 6 Gigs system ram (this might have been a freak issue). I run FSX all sliders to the max Antialising on at 2650 x 1600 res and have no problems. The 590 is two underclocked 580's in SLI. I got the GTX 580 and money was not a factor in the decision. You only need a 590 if you use 3 monitors for FSX. The 580 only runs 2. Later when the prices drop I can SLI the 580;s which will beat the 590 for speed. It is speed (cpu and gpu) you need not memory.
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#3349998 - 07/24/11 12:09 PM
Re: would 3 gig video ram be a waste of money over 1.5
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If you are interested in say CoD, it seems it is better getting a 2 GB card, as folks say they have better results in smoothness. GPU-Z logs a usage of around 1100 MB in CoD on my machine, so it`s pretty saturated.
I don't think CoD is optimized yet and should get better. Also, SLI is borked on it and causes huge fps loss. So, a 590 will not help him there since it is an SLI 2x 580 card. That said, My rig runs CoD now on full at 2650 x 1600 with max AA + bombers over London. I agree, Plainsman only needs a GTX 580, even for CoD.
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#3350024 - 07/24/11 12:38 PM
Re: would 3 gig video ram be a waste of money over 1.5
[Re: SsSsSsSsSnake]
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Thanks guys.
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#3350122 - 07/24/11 02:48 PM
Re: would 3 gig video ram be a waste of money over 1.5
[Re: Plainsman]
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Plainsman. The GTX 580 with 3Gb is totally not worth $150. You can't use enough monitors to warrant such massive memory use (it only can support 2). Going from a GTX 285 (my 2x GTX 260's were slightly faster than that) to a GTX 580, you willget DX11 and notice a decent difference in speed and fluidity, because I did. You will also be able to play games at much higher resolutions and AA without a performance loss (increased memory). IMHO, its areally nice card. Warning: If you use two monitors it will idle at approx 60 C, instead of approx 40 C for one monitor. Thats normal. GTX 580 outperforms GTX 590 http://www.videocardbenchmark.net/high_end_gpus.html GTX 580 out performs GTX 590
Edited by Icarus1 (07/24/11 06:08 PM)
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