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#3344490 - 07/18/11 02:11 PM Why the lock and key?  
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Okay, I know i must be totally out of the loop and if this forum was suffering from the same problems as the bananna one I can sort of understand... But why require a login to read about a flight sim.
If it's because of the bad vibe directed at Clod from those who have played it then that smacks of commercialism. Right before the US release all negative comment is removed from easy access. This being one of the few sites I as a potential purchaser would have visited before buying any simulation game.
While I could not give a rats arse about Clod (I own it and it will get better over time) I am concerned that SimHQ may have set a precident. In appearing to protecting Clod they may have harmed their own reputation. Deleteing the odd thread is one thing but making the entire Clod forum dissappear to anyone not login is extreme at best and the timing is well, at best suspect.
I trust i am over reacting and all is well in simland burger

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#3344499 - 07/18/11 02:20 PM Re: Why the lock and key? [Re: Bobb4]  
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I must admit it looks strange, just 2 days before the US release. and the lock-out is something ive never seen before.

Maybe someone can get some more info?

Frog?

#3344509 - 07/18/11 02:31 PM Re: Why the lock and key? [Re: Bobb4]  
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My thoughts; no it has nothing to do with hiding any facts about the game itself. We are able to speak about both the good and bad here about the sim. Many of the old threads were confusing and no real discussion about the actual game existed, well very little. Much focused on conspiracty theories and angry words that were exchanged by the two main group of peoples.

My thoughts are if a person came into the old forum they'd leave scratching their heads wondering if we were all nuts. This forum is much calmer right now and discussion is about the game, this is much more helpful to a person considering buying the game. I think they've achieved what they set out to do, well done gents

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#3344512 - 07/18/11 02:35 PM Re: Why the lock and key? [Re: Bobb4]  
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I can think of a number of reasons why, but what I think the average user fails to realize is what a headache this had become for the mods. Imagine being caught in a nasty divorce with your spouse but you're forced to still sleep in the same bed together every night! Would you relish going home? That's what it felt like here.

So, as guod said, they're going back through the stuff bit by bit to see what was useful (and returning it here) and what was just moaning, whining, bellyaching, and of course, venom-filled rage.

The "have to be logged in" thing is likely just a way to keep the worst offenders out and ignorant of what's happening here.



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#3344532 - 07/18/11 02:51 PM Re: Why the lock and key? [Re: Bobb4]  
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Was a great move that saved the forum from descending in to utter chaos, all the good threads disapeared because of the numerous bad threads.

At least we can talk about the good and bad of CLOD and the Battle of Britain in relative peace....fingers crossed!


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#3344552 - 07/18/11 03:01 PM Re: Why the lock and key? [Re: bisher]  
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Originally Posted By: bisher
My thoughts; no it has nothing to do with hiding any facts about the game itself. We are able to speak about both the good and bad here about the sim. Many of the old threads were confusing and no real discussion about the actual game existed, well very little. Much focused on conspiracty theories and angry words that were exchanged by the two main group of peoples.

My thoughts are if a person came into the old forum they'd leave scratching their heads wondering if we were all nuts. This forum is much calmer right now and discussion is about the game, this is much more helpful to a person considering buying the game. I think they've achieved what they set out to do, well done gents

JMO


Well said.

SimHQ has never forbidden rational discussion about a game's merits or problems, but unfortunately a small number of posters have turned this forum into a kindergarten where so-called adults throw poo at each other.

Let's start from scratch and try to make this forum a place again where people like to come to get information and share their experiences.


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#3344560 - 07/18/11 03:12 PM Re: Why the lock and key? [Re: Bobb4]  
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This thread doesn't fall under the forum guidelines (and looks like a can of worms to me):

"Please post only the following topics in this forum:

- Actual gameplay in Cliffs of Dover
- Making 3rd party content for Cliffs of Dover
- How to configure settings for Cliffs of Dover
- Specific bugs in Cliffs of Dover
- Subjective gameplay experiences in Cliffs of Dover ("my experience is...")
- WWII aviation history
- WWII aircraft

Discussion outside of these topics will be moved to the sub-forum, or deleted.
Participants in this forum agree to abide by the Forum Use Agreement.
To view the Cliffs of Dover forums, you will need to be logged-in."


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#3344562 - 07/18/11 03:13 PM Re: Why the lock and key? [Re: Bobb4]  
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If this were a move on SimHQ's part to play favorites with 1C or Ubi, then it would have been done several months ago. In any case, it would have been a moot point as the problems with CoD at original release time were far too large to be hidden. No, those who call it a "flush" have it right - flushing the toilet is not a matter of hiding secrets. If anyone wants to wallow in that crap, let them go to the sewers.


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#3344566 - 07/18/11 03:15 PM Re: Why the lock and key? [Re: Bobb4]  
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Absolutely Frey and they can delete it and no harm done

#3344567 - 07/18/11 03:15 PM Re: Why the lock and key? [Re: Freycinet]  
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Originally Posted By: Freycinet
This thread doesn't fall under the forum guidelines (and looks like a can of worms to me):

"Please post only the following topics in this forum:

- Actual gameplay in Cliffs of Dover
- Making 3rd party content for Cliffs of Dover
- How to configure settings for Cliffs of Dover
- Specific bugs in Cliffs of Dover
- Subjective gameplay experiences in Cliffs of Dover ("my experience is...")
- WWII aviation history
- WWII aircraft

Discussion outside of these topics will be moved to the sub-forum, or deleted.
Participants in this forum agree to abide by the Forum Use Agreement.
To view the Cliffs of Dover forums, you will need to be logged-in."


Try to think of the heart of the law, not just the letter of the law.


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#3344570 - 07/18/11 03:16 PM Re: Why the lock and key? [Re: BKHZ_Furbs]  
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A little over charge of negative thinking, maybe?

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#3344572 - 07/18/11 03:17 PM Re: Why the lock and key? [Re: Bobb4]  
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Im all for the flush and clear out, fresh start and all that. but why the lock-out?

I guess the sub-forum is on its way at some point.

#3344578 - 07/18/11 03:19 PM Re: Why the lock and key? [Re: Bobb4]  
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Well, the last couple of postings all confirm that this should be locked.


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#3344585 - 07/18/11 03:27 PM Re: Why the lock and key? [Re: Bobb4]  
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I think it was to discourage gloaters.


#3344594 - 07/18/11 03:38 PM Re: Why the lock and key? [Re: Bobb4]  
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I don't know the explicit reason, but guod can comment here smile

I've moved this under extended discussions, although it could go under site feedback too.

#3344646 - 07/18/11 04:21 PM Re: Why the lock and key? [Re: Bobb4]  
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Lock and Key meaning that you have to be logged-in to see the two CoD forums? If that is what is meant, it is temporary until the four mods, Weasel_Keeper and I can get it all sorted. Hopefully by next weekend we can open it back up, but it may be before then or a few days later. Depends on how the migration goes.

We have no desire to keep people from reading about CoD, and I can assure you we are not in cahoots with any developer or publisher. If anything, we will be missing the drive by traffic until it is opened back up, so business-wise, having it open is preferable.

The delete reference is only if the wheels come off. The plan is to move any thread that should be in the sub forum. But if it shouldn't be in either, we will first try to remove the problem post or comment (example: "You're a moron!") so the thread can be salvaged.

We had to separate the direct discussion of the game from the "venting", and not choke off either. Example: the screenshot thread. I'm going through it, all 105 pages. It goes off in other directions and even the participants are saying, "yeah well that is all good but can we keep it as a screenshot thread?". So I'm using tweezers to try and save the vent and comments from the screenshot posts.

Two things that would really help us all.

1) Stay on topic within a thread. If you want to discuss something brought out in the thread, but is off-topic, create a new thread and link/point to the referring post. No, you don't have to, but it'll allow your comment to be presented in context, and not in the middle of a thread with another topic.

2) Don't call each other out. We spend so much time addressing... right ...types of posts that could have had time better used in more productive efforts.

BKHZ_Furbs... I got your PM checking on access problems for the sub forum, and I'm working on it now.

Think that is everything in the thread, but if there is still a question, or something I said is unclear ( on first coffee of the day) post back in here.

Thanks.


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#3344707 - 07/18/11 05:12 PM Re: Why the lock and key? [Re: citizen guod]  
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Originally Posted By: guod
but if there is still a question, or something I said is unclear ( on first coffee of the day) post back in here.


In a slightly kafkaesque turn of events, this thread has been moved to the aforementioned subforum which I cannot access, because I don't see links to it... So, I really shouldn't be able to comment in here!

- I am only in here because Fearless_Frog posted a direct link to this thread in a posting in the main Il-2 Cod forum.

See how my SimHQ pages look here:
http://simhq.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/topics/3344673/I_don_t_see_the_Il_2_CoD_sub_f.html

Not that I want to go into the "Extended discussions" forum much anyway.

I think it is a GREAT idea when you say that "The plan is to move any thread that should be in the sub forum". Just excellent, because it will give a free space to those who want to discuss the existence of CoD, while preserving the main forum for those who just want to talk about "how" and not the "why" of the sim.


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#3344819 - 07/18/11 06:49 PM Re: Why the lock and key? [Re: Bobb4]  
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Code burp with some people able to see the sub-forum and some couldn't. Figures huh? It *should* be okay for everyone now but I posted in the main CoD forum for people to let me know if still not able to get in here.

Another day at the office. smile


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#3344991 - 07/18/11 09:04 PM Re: Why the lock and key? [Re: Bobb4]  
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guod, the subforum appears and works corrctly for me now, thx!


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#3345229 - 07/19/11 03:37 AM Re: Why the lock and key? [Re: Bobb4]  
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The login requirement will be coming back down in a few minutes for both CoD forums. The mods got it back up to speed much faster than my one week estimate. Thanks guys!

There is still some threads to move back in, but it doesn't look like a barren wasteland now with the initial 4 posts.


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