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#3320135 - 06/16/11 02:38 PM How to interpret AWACS bullseye calls  
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Hi all,

I was looking on this forum if I can find any info on how to interpret AWACS bullseye calls. For example:

Hawg 11, Wizard, pop-up group, 348 for 70, 2000, flanking
Hawg 11, Wizard, BRA 349 for 50, 4000, hot

What do they mean(Pop-up group, BRA?) and how can I point the TGP at a bullseye ground target that has been reported in relation to bullseye?

Thanks a lot

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#3320237 - 06/16/11 04:37 PM Re: How to interpret AWACS bullseye calls [Re: Delta]  
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Not 100% sure, but;

pop up group means the AWACS has just detected it now, bearing 348 from the bullseye at 70 miles, 2000 feet in the air, on a flanking heading, either to the west or east of the bullseye.

BRA: target Bearing, Range, Altitude is 349 degrees, 50 miles, 4000 feet, and beginning/completing/completed some sort of attack on friendly forces.

#3320388 - 06/16/11 07:15 PM Re: How to interpret AWACS bullseye calls [Re: Delta]  
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There's a way to take the info and place it into your CDU to make as a reference point. My mind is drawing a blank and I can't remember where I saw the info now. I know I have done it myself at least once but can't recall how.


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#3320440 - 06/16/11 08:20 PM Re: How to interpret AWACS bullseye calls [Re: Lion]  
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Flanking: Bandit is showing his side to you.
Hot: Bandit has nose pointed in your direction.
Cold: Bandit has his tail pointed in your direction.

Your own orientation, or location of your forces, or what he's doing to your forces or what they're doing to him is completely irrelevant to this.

Originally Posted By: NPOSuperhornet
Not 100% sure, but;

pop up group means the AWACS has just detected it now, bearing 348 from the bullseye at 70 miles, 2000 feet in the air, on a flanking heading, either to the west or east of the bullseye.

BRA: target Bearing, Range, Altitude is 349 degrees, 50 miles, 4000 feet, and beginning/completing/completed some sort of attack on friendly forces.

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#3320517 - 06/16/11 10:24 PM Re: How to interpret AWACS bullseye calls [Re: Delta]  
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offset tutorial check it out!
http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=72101&highlight=offset+tutorial

#3322364 - 06/19/11 01:29 PM Re: How to interpret AWACS bullseye calls [Re: Delta]  
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Thanks very much all for your input. Great tutorial link, ht57! I must have overlooked it as I saw other similar tutorials on this site that were also great.

Another way that I found out to improve situational awareness when receiving bullseye contacts:
E.g. "Hawg 11, Wizard, BRA 349 for 50, 4000, hot"
In game press F10 which brings up the map. Click the icon at the top that looks like a ruler to measure distances and bearings, then right-click the bullseye position on the map and drag the mouse away which will create a thin line between bullseye and your mouse cursor while displaying actual bearing and distance at the top menu bar. Move your mouse north-north-west until it indicates 349 degrees, 50 NM. That's where your contact is.
If it's a fixed ground target, e.g. "Contact, enemy air defenses at 330, 45 miles" I put it into CDU as explained in the tutorial in the link here above. Then I cycle the HUD to that mission point and make a SPI out of it with TMS-UP long and slew the TGP towards it. It will point into the approximate direction since 1 degree off at 60 miles gives you 1 NM off track as a rule of thumb so you will have to slew or fine-tune it onto the target.

Does this make sense what I'm saying? Must be a hell of a job in real life for those pilots to identify targets since they don't have labels turned on like me! :-P

#3322375 - 06/19/11 01:58 PM Re: How to interpret AWACS bullseye calls [Re: Delta]  
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Also, real pilots don't need to do that thing with the map you're doing ... your own bullseye location is displayed on the TAD, and you can switch the cursor display to be bulls -> hook ... then drop a markpoint at that location with the TAD.


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#3324838 - 06/22/11 07:17 AM Re: How to interpret AWACS bullseye calls [Re: Delta]  
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So, if I understand:

when I receive info as "Hawg 11, Wizard, pop-up group, 348 for 70, 2000, flanking":
OFFSET PAGE
IP=BULLSEYE
MH/DIS=348070
I create WP (es. TRG1)
APP to MISSION
STEERPOINT (es. TRG1)

Is it right?

#3326828 - 06/24/11 02:45 PM Re: How to interpret AWACS bullseye calls [Re: Emibat]  
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Originally Posted By: Emibat
So, if I understand:
when I receive info as "Hawg 11, Wizard, pop-up group, 348 for 70, 2000, flanking":
OFFSET PAGE
IP=BULLSEYE
MH/DIS=348070
I create WP (es. TRG1)
APP to MISSION
STEERPOINT (es. TRG1)

Is it right?

Exactly, just follow the pdf instructions in the link exactly.

Not that I'm a specialist so correct me if I'm wrong but I'm just glad to help and I found out this:
On page 11, instead of pressing +/- Rocker key until BULLSEYE appears you can also enter the first letters of BULLSEYE into the CDU scratchpad and the name will be autocompleted, then upload it into the INIT POSIT line on the CDU, or you can also enter waypoint number 2049 at the top left which is standard BULLSEYE.
On page 13 it says you need to press the OSB next to ?9@ and note the waypoint number, then go into MISSION mode on the AAP and cycle to waypoint 9 or whatever it was. If you want to give it a name e.g. TANK you can type this into the scratchpad before pressing the OSB next to ?9@ which will create a new waypoint 9 with name TANK.

#3337934 - 07/09/11 12:21 AM Re: How to interpret AWACS bullseye calls [Re: Delta]  
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Originally Posted By: Delta
Hi all,

I was looking on this forum if I can find any info on how to interpret AWACS bullseye calls. For example:

Hawg 11, Wizard, pop-up group, 348 for 70, 2000, flanking
Hawg 11, Wizard, BRA 349 for 50, 4000, hot

What do they mean(Pop-up group, BRA?) and how can I point the TGP at a bullseye ground target that has been reported in relation to bullseye?

Thanks a lot


The term popup group is an air to air sort call designed for fighters with a radar. We use that term inside the "no new picture" which changes mission to mission.

If the range is set to 20 miles the fighters want everybody to have a tube , radar, pointed downrange and to have the picture labelled by then. It is kinda difficult to explain without a white board. The Bullseye is a common reference point that can be used regardless of the aircraft having datalink or not. So if I say "Chalice(AWACS) 2 Groups, Range 15 , Lead Group Bullseye 211/20, 12,000, Hostile." The fighters know , "We are looking at bad guys in range, so there is a group closer and a group farther along the threat axis"

So the F-15 pilot slews his cursor over to the 211/20 off the bull makes sure he is altitude bracketed to cover my called altitude of 12 k and starts looking. If he see a contact close he might lock and might not depending on the threat range. If he has a contact at that range he knows the trail group is 15 miles in trail. AWACS would provide the altitude for the trail group as part of the next call. "Trail Group, ,20000, Hot" meaning that the trail group is stacked high and is leaning into our fighters head on.

Now within each group there may be multiple contacts so you can describe the groups in greater detail. "Lead group 2 contacts , line abreast 1" so there are to guys sided by side in the nearest group next to each other spread out by a mile or so. Lets say our fighter are traveling east bound head on to the two groups and the lead group has two guys split a mile apart in azimuth they are labelled as Lead Group Northern, and Lead Group Southern since they are Westbound if they are head on to our Eastbound Eagles.

The trail Group then gets amplified as far as data, "Trail Group, Single Contact Bullseye 221/35 (15 in trail remember) 21,000 (they climbed a little) HOSTILE.

Now if the fighters get within threat range (depends on the enemy missile's range) an the fighters don't see them we (AWACS) call the group a "Threat" To a specific fighter, IE, "EAGLE 1 Threat BRAA 180/10, 9 thousand.

This tells Eagle 1 where the bad guy is not in relation to the BULL which is a point on the ground but in regard to his jet personally. So the MiG might be at Bullesye 240 for 90 miles and be BRAA from Eagle 1, 270/3. So 3 miles west of EAGLE 1.

BRAA is actually BEARING RANGE ALTITUDE and ASPECT.

ASPECT is whether the MiG is looking toward or away from you or something in between.

HOT , facing you, is always assumed so "Threat BRAA 090/7, 8ooo" Actually Threat BRAA 090/7, 8000, HOT"

Pop up group really dosen't make sense in regard to a lead nosed (no radar jet). This is because they can't target a group , lock a group or sort a group. The Pop up group means we already named all of the contacts, eastern contact lead group, trail group west contact etc, and now the picture has changed be we are to close to start the whole process over, by the time we get the picture back the Migs will be shooting and we will still be trying to figure out if what used to be the Western contact of the Lead group is now the trailer in the NEW South Group. So you basically draw a line in the sand and say, once we are inside X number of miles we leave the picture as it was labeled and just modify it with popup groups.

A very long answer to your short question. I'll be happy to offer any more advice you may need, I was a Weapons and Tactics Specialist for 7 years a while back.

Check 6 !

Remember if they use your call sign and say BRAA that BEARING is from YOU! That means someone is looking to hand you your ass!

#3338161 - 07/09/11 09:37 AM Re: How to interpret AWACS bullseye calls [Re: Delta]  
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Check 6,

Great read there, learnt a few things, thank you.

#3338698 - 07/10/11 02:37 AM Re: How to interpret AWACS bullseye calls [Re: Delta]  
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Check6, Thanks a lot for the extensive explanations. I'll have to let this sink into my brain during the night;) And then I'll pop-up here if I need some more explanations.

#3338783 - 07/10/11 07:17 AM Re: How to interpret AWACS bullseye calls [Re: Delta]  
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#3341591 - 07/14/11 12:56 PM Re: How to interpret AWACS bullseye calls [Re: Delta]  
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Great video thank you pilot


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