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#3336907 - 07/07/11 03:11 PM Re: All Star Trek Series [Re: Moses]
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The only thing that got me about the show is, like other prequels before it, it attempts to introduce many staples of the previous (sequel) series all at once.
So we're to believe that the ability to reach warp 5, use phasers, photon torpedos, universal translators, and the transporter all occurred in a 2-3 year period on Archer's watch??
It's like the writers wanted to write for Voyager, DS9, or TNG, didn't want to have to work "in the past", and quickly brought all the ST conventions in so they could use them like they had for the past 15 years on the other 3 series.

The 9/11-inspired season 3 was refreshingly different for ST, but wasn't fleshed out enough as an arc to last the whole season. If it had ended at the season mid-point I think people would still be talking about how great those dozen eps were. Instead, it's remembered as an improvement over the 1st 2 seasons but not enough (as evidenced by the continuing decline in ratings as each season went on).



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#3336909 - 07/07/11 03:12 PM Re: All Star Trek Series [Re: PanzerMeyer]
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Originally Posted By: PanzerMeyer
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I used to like TOS, without it none of the others would be around. Really like the characters. Just hard to watch these days, it was a lot more fun 30 years ago.


Why is it hard to watch now?

I used to think that seeing the outdated SFX and the cheap sets would bother me when I re-watched ST:TOS last year but it didn't bother me at all. The stories and the characters are so good to me that it greatly outweighed the cheap production values. Of course it also helped that I watched the updated versions which sometimes had CGI and some other SFX enhancements as well as being in high def.

I agree, I can hardly watch the others now, Enterprise is okay once in a while but I will sit and watch the old series even if I missed half of it while flipping channels.
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#3337026 - 07/07/11 04:49 PM Re: All Star Trek Series [Re: Jedi Master]
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Originally Posted By: Jedi Master

So we're to believe that the ability to reach warp 5, use phasers, photon torpedos, universal translators, and the transporter all occurred in a 2-3 year period on Archer's watch??


True, but none of those things worked as well as they did in later series.

I found Enterprise to be much more believable/entertaining than the recent Star Trek re-boot movie with huge water lines running through engineering and the bridge looking like something out of a Vegas casino. And I'm supposed to believe that Spock would time travel to save Earth in STIV, but when Vulcan is obliterated he just shrugs his shoulders?
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#3337250 - 07/07/11 10:47 PM Re: All Star Trek Series [Re: Moses]
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Well, the whole issue of when they consider it ok to time travel and when it's not is answered by "needs of the plot".

As for engineering, that's what happens when you shoot in a brewery! I don't know why they did that.

The bridge, well, watch the Star Trek films and you'll see the same ship gets a different bridge almost every film. They finally made up a ST-reason saying the bridges were detachable modules allowing them to be replaced in spacedock when needed...like that would really be needed every 2 years or so!
The fact that the Bird of Prey's bridge changes from ST3 to ST4 so drastically is just not explained at all (the old set was lost for some reason and they decided the new one would be done totally differently, for whatever reason).


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#3337269 - 07/07/11 11:26 PM Re: All Star Trek Series [Re: Jedi Master]
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Originally Posted By: Jedi Master
Well, the whole issue of when they consider it ok to time travel and when it's not is answered by "needs of the plot".


Yeah, as much as I enjoy the stories that revolve around time traveling episodes (STIV was great fun, and the STNG episode set in old San Fransisco with Mark Twain was cool, and do I even have to mention the TOS episode "The City on the Edge of Forever"?) you really have to suspend disbelief when watching them. If the federation good guys go back 100 years to set things straight why wouldn't the alien bad guys then go back 101 years to screw things up again? Then the federation good guys would have to go back 102 years to fix it again and the alien bad guys go back 103 years... you get my point. Time travel is probably the most far fetched idea in all of Star Trek, but it is fun.
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