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#3331865 - 06/30/11 09:01 AM Re: WW II flight Sim by 777 [Re: tagTaken2]  
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Flying Tigers! Stuff of Legends... Now you're talking ! smile

Minimum lineup: P40b, Brewster Buffalo, Ki-27, Ki-43 and ki-21 bomber ?

Interesting confrontation of speed/durability/firepower vs climb/maneuverability - I can already hear players whining about the P-40 when they can't get kills dogfighting at low alt over a lake! hahaha

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#3331868 - 06/30/11 09:17 AM Re: WW II flight Sim by 777 [Re: 303_Michcich]  
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RoF needs to go forward following the historical time scale, providing new theatres for free and pay-for new aircraft as the time - and technological evolution - goes by: Spanish Civil War, early WWII in Europe, Eastern Front, Mediterranean theatre, the Pacific and then back to Europe and Pacific again... then follow on with Korea, and possibly/eventually Vietnam and a Fictional Cold War in the '80s.
That would be awesome and I believe, a very viable business model. Word.


Airplanes are now built to carry a pilot and a dog in the cockpit: the pilot's job is
to feed the dog, and the dog's job is to bite the pilot if he touches anything...

- Arlen Rens, Lockheed Martin test pilot
#3331869 - 06/30/11 09:21 AM Re: WW II flight Sim by 777 [Re: 303_Michcich]  
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lol.. We'll all be dead by the time that little lot comes to fruition!
Reality check.. ok, finish WWI.. yes, we will all still be alive by the time that comes about. old_simmer

#3331871 - 06/30/11 09:30 AM Re: WW II flight Sim by 777 [Re: 303_Michcich]  
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#3331882 - 06/30/11 09:49 AM Re: WW II flight Sim by 777 [Re: Trooper117]  
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Originally Posted By: TROOPER117
lol.. We'll all be dead by the time that little lot comes to fruition!

Speak for yourself! neaner
Ahah! Yes it's a long term program indeed.


Airplanes are now built to carry a pilot and a dog in the cockpit: the pilot's job is
to feed the dog, and the dog's job is to bite the pilot if he touches anything...

- Arlen Rens, Lockheed Martin test pilot
#3332498 - 07/01/11 05:21 AM Re: WW II flight Sim by 777 [Re: TX-Gunslinger]  
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Originally Posted By: TX-Gunslinger
For me, I'd like to see more of the WWI stable of single and dual seat aircraft finished, particularly 1916 and 1917. I'd like also to see 777 Studio's, be able to develop their flight model a bit more (which is in the works now, I read) and develop the capacity to handle many more animate objects, both in the air and on the ground.

For Multi-Player, it would be great to see continued development of the net-code, to reduce the very high bandwidth requirements per player.


A very thoughtful post Gunny - as usual. I agree exactly with your priorities. And I'm pretty sure 777 are working on those things too - hopefully at a high priority.

#3332539 - 07/01/11 06:38 AM Re: WW II flight Sim by 777 [Re: 303_Michcich]  
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yup for sure, filling out Rof is definately the priority,
WWII is just pie in the sky stuff.

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The problem with the World is stupidity. I'm not saying there should be a capital punishment for stupidity, but why don't we just take the safety labels off of everything and let the problem solve itself?
#3332600 - 07/01/11 10:07 AM Re: WW II flight Sim by 777 [Re: 303_Michcich]  
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The only thing wrong with RoF from my point of view is that WWII aircraft and associated scenarios are missing. wink

Rise of Flight is so immersive for me that it has made me very happy to move from my love of WWII aviation to WWI aviation, and I am now enjoying that old familiar feeling of being totally immersed in a quality sim just as I was when I first found IL-2.

IMHO if 777 Studios took on the project of a WWII air combat PC simulation, they would own the genre in the PC market.

777 Studio the time to strike is now!!! You already own half of the IL-2 faithfuls from CoD fallout, the rest will follow once you release some screen shots and or video's of your WWII development. yep

Cheers, CS. smile

#3332625 - 07/01/11 11:31 AM Re: WW II flight Sim by 777 [Re: 303_Michcich]  
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While I agree with you in one sense, I'm sure they could make a huge niche for themselves in WWII as well, now I've really got the bug for the first world war, I'm loathe for them to stray away from it, there is so much more they can give us yet in this genre.

#3332627 - 07/01/11 11:32 AM Re: WW II flight Sim by 777 [Re: 303_Michcich]  
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I don't see a reason for the territorial jousting and the "either with us or against us" menthality some display. IMO RoF has still a lot to do to fill the WW1 air war with objects and aircraft, not to mention that there are other fronts that have never been modeled before. Let Jason's bunch do what they think best. And for certain they don't need external "advisors" that are simply out to spite 1C for the state CloD is in ATM.


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#3332637 - 07/01/11 12:02 PM Re: WW II flight Sim by 777 [Re: 303_Michcich]  
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Personally I don't feel strongly one way or the other about one genre over the other.

I do prefer the WWII combat flight sim genre over WWI that's for certain and for that reason I hope that 777 will one day produce some quality WWII content.

It's interesting, I've never seen the varying opinions as jousting for praise of one sim over another, but rather a simple desire to see ones own personal (and in my case childish) desire for the aircraft we grew up with as kids to be included in the sim.

I hope eventually we all get our way.

Cheers, CS smile

#3332655 - 07/01/11 12:45 PM Re: WW II flight Sim by 777 [Re: 303_Michcich]  
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oh there has definately been plenty of jousting, none of it helps matters either way, i wan't them all to be equally as successful, everyone wins, and it will be like stepping back into the mid late 90's where we had more sims than we could poke a stick at, and we bought them all, actually i still have them all LOL!

Craig


The problem with the World is stupidity. I'm not saying there should be a capital punishment for stupidity, but why don't we just take the safety labels off of everything and let the problem solve itself?
#3332679 - 07/01/11 01:05 PM Re: WW II flight Sim by 777 [Re: 303_Michcich]  
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Yes, I find it absolutely astonishing, that people who love aviation, will literaly change into snarling lunatics just because they feel they have to champion their favourite game.
I can only put it down to imaturity (teenagers), imaturity mkII (adults acting like teenagers), the control freak (must be right at all costs, will not see reason because that would mean admitting they are wrong).
And then there is the weak and misguided (latch on to others they believe are right because they need someone to follow)..
The strange thing is, if we were discussing this in the pub over a beer, it would probably be an entertaining and enjoyable evening, with lots of friends made.. but put it online without the consquences of what you say to someone might provoke, with the added protection of a computer screen, and it can quickly go for a ball of chalk!

#3332685 - 07/01/11 01:10 PM Re: WW II flight Sim by 777 [Re: Trooper117]  
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Originally Posted By: TROOPER117
Yes, I find it absolutely astonishing, that people who love aviation, will literaly change into snarling lunatics just because they feel they have to champion their favourite game.
I can only put it down to imaturity (teenagers), imaturity mkII (adults acting like teenagers), the control freak (must be right at all costs, will not see reason because that would mean admitting they are wrong).
And then there is the weak and misguided (latch on to others they believe are right because they need someone to follow)..
The strange thing is, if we were discussing this in the pub over a beer, it would probably be an entertaining and enjoyable evening, with lots of friends made.. but put it online without the consquences of what you say to someone might provoke, with the added protection of a computer screen, and it can quickly go for a ball of chalk!



I actually did a paper in my sociology class on this very topic Trooper.


Ahh CLOD never in the history of Simming has so much been promised and so little given.

However I want to thank Team Fusion for keeping the Dream Alive.
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lol.. your findings?

#3332703 - 07/01/11 01:25 PM Re: WW II flight Sim by 777 [Re: 303_Michcich]  
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I made an argument that people are more likely to come out of there shells when it comes to posting on the internet. Some loose all there inhibition and shyness because in a part of some peoples brains what is said on a computer forum can not hurt them because they are not really them.


For example on the forum I am know as Raptor in real life my name is Brian. Some people become different personality wise when they are on the internet.


I got an A on the paper.


Ahh CLOD never in the history of Simming has so much been promised and so little given.

However I want to thank Team Fusion for keeping the Dream Alive.
#3332707 - 07/01/11 01:32 PM Re: WW II flight Sim by 777 [Re: CrazySchmidt]  
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Originally Posted By: CrazySchmidt
The only thing wrong with RoF from my point of view is that WWII aircraft and associated scenarios are missing. wink

Rise of Flight is so immersive for me that it has made me very happy to move from my love of WWII aviation to WWI aviation, and I am now enjoying that old familiar feeling of being totally immersed in a quality sim just as I was when I first found IL-2.

IMHO if 777 Studios took on the project of a WWII air combat PC simulation, they would own the genre in the PC market.

777 Studio the time to strike is now!!! You already own half of the IL-2 faithfuls from CoD fallout, the rest will follow once you release some screen shots and or video's of your WWII development. yep

Cheers, CS. smile



Bingo, Crazy ! That is exactly the insight behind why so many WWII sim fans (read: former Il2 fans) have now moved into WWI. And yes, the time for 777 to come up with something WWII related is now. The other advantage I`m seeing regards 777 is these guys have always seemed to have displayed that business/commercial acumen that lets them keep focus and make sensible choices. Everything that comes from them, even if not flaweless, seems well though through and they do exactly the right trade-offs - yes, I` would like to see populated trenches down there on the ground, but not at the price of porked FM or other important aspect of the sim. There`s good chance 777 will not fall into the pitfalls other sim developers have fallen into.

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#3332935 - 07/01/11 06:43 PM Re: WW II flight Sim by 777 [Re: csThor]  
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Originally Posted By: csThor
I don't see a reason for the territorial jousting and the "either with us or against us" menthality some display. IMO RoF has still a lot to do to fill the WW1 air war with objects and aircraft, not to mention that there are other fronts that have never been modeled before. Let Jason's bunch do what they think best. And for certain they don't need external "advisors" that are simply out to spite 1C for the state CloD is in ATM.


Nothing to do with spitting CoD (at least in my case). I just think 777 has done a better job for WWI in two years than Maddox Games has done for WWII in 5 years of the IL2:FB series, and as far as I can see so far, 777 would have a better chance of making a good modern WWII sim than Maddox Games.

What I really want is an immersive, modern WWII sim. I don't really care who makes it.

#3333015 - 07/01/11 08:58 PM Re: WW II flight Sim by 777 [Re: 303_Michcich]  
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ROF has been in development for 5 years. COD for 7 or so with many starts and re-starts.

If we ever go into WWII or Korea or wherever, don't expect a huge super ambitious project. Thats always mistake #1.

Jason

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Originally Posted By: 777 Studios - Jason
ROF has been in development for 5 years. COD for 7 or so with many starts and re-starts.

If we ever go into WWII or Korea or wherever, don't expect a huge super ambitious project. Thats always mistake #1.

Jason


Indeed - but even after those seven years, they still can't provide us with any kind of dynamic campaign or career. I don't know about you guys, but I was really looking forwards to naming an entire squadron after 'Hornet Squadron' from Piece of Cake. Maybe I'll just transpose them to WWI - can you name pilots in RoF? biggrin


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