Hi guys, I have replaced my obsolete Criquet'sAI+gavagai's gunners merged Mods,
with gavagai's latest Mod Compilation for JSGME, (Jan. 6th 2012).

Extract it into your root directory that contains RoF, e.g. C:\Program Files
You will see three things in the zip file. A folder called JSGMEMODS, the JSGME .exe, and a config file (that may or may not be necessary, but they have it there for HSFX, so I included it).

Simply double click on the JSGME.exe, and you will see a little menu come up with the names of different mods. Select the one you want, and use the arrow to move it to the 'activated mods' side of the menu.
If you see a warning about a folder already having been modified, ignore the warning.

Update Jan.30th 2012
The latest AI Gunners Mod by Avimimus added.

Mods included:

AI pilots
AI gunners
no delayed bomb fuses
no tracers
reduced tracer frequency
reduced flak accuracy
reduced gunner vitality

Avimimus_GunnerMod_Oct

http://www.mediafire.com/?hwbl0ezol1sbc18

This way you can enable whickever Mod you want to use.
Thanks to gavagai for his efforts!

Elephant - thank you.


What do they do exactly?

Criquet's Mod AI tweakes the AI not to turn fight to the deck all the time,
but using their planes strenghts to their advantage according to skill, instead.
The more mixed up the AI skills are the more Realistic the Mod AI looks.

gavagai's gunners tweak prevents the DFW and Breguet gunners to fire from unrealistic distances and from impossible angles, through the plane's fuselage.

IMO it's a must have Mod and most effective on Pat's RoF Campaign as well as the new official Career beta.
To make use of it after installing you must turn to Mods On mode

TY, I am d/ling tonight.

Thanks for this. I was familiar with and use the ai mod all the time for our coop sessions 3 nights a week but wasn't aware of gavagai's gunners tweak. I'll have to put it in for tonight being we're going up against some HP's.

Is this good to go or does anything have to be removed due to 2 seater gfx glitches?

Cheers
OF_Fawlty

No, nothing to remove.
I've done all the dirty work for you and merged the two mod's in one.
Works just fine!

Thanks elephant_, Put up a couple of coop missions tonight,only a few of us on but worked great.

F

I've never used mods for RoF but these sound like they're necessary.
Doesn't having mods on bar you from playing online? Also does it negatively impact when you sign on with the game. Does the career mode work with it flawlessly?

If you mean online multiplayer I don't know as I seldom play...
Otherwise you normally login online Mods Onand works fine with the new Career beta.
I've got medals and promotions with this mod on.

Is this version 6 of the AI mod?


Thanks!

Yes...the latest one.

No, BUT.....you should know that checking the Mods On box in the game menu adds some significant time to mission load times.

That's right...
A mission normally loading in one-one and a half mimutes, Mods Off,
It takes, on my machine, 6-7 minutes.
I have heard that Jason is considering to implement the AI mods in game officially...
The AI needs further looking now with Career mode, anyway...
Fingers crossed then!

Thanks a lot for this, I'm finally trying out the AI mod

Is it possible that when having "mods on" + AI mods, the statistics within carrier do not work?

No, the statistics work and you get medals, promotions normally...

Any weirdness using this with the campaign?

Campaign or career?

No more weirdness in the career than already experienced with the beta for me.

I meant career . . .

I've told you many times...none whatsoever!

The career is superb.. at last I feel as if I actualy belong to my squadron, I have a task, it gives me ambition, it sometimes allows me to be reckless, but other times absolutely fearful of being killed.
Yes, it has flaws, what doesn't? but I've not enjoyed a game so much in an age!

Troop, I'm so surprised to see you enjoying RoF so much!

Brigs, I have to say so am I!..
I'm an absolutely confirmed WWII aviation junkie, but when the game was offered up as a free download, I thought, why not? just see what it's about.
I've always been a lurker ref RoF, and was very impressed with all the screenshots and from the video's I'd seen.
Got to say it.. from the moment I played it, it absolutely hooked me, and I was kicking myself for not purchasing the game before!
Having flown an open cockpit aircraft I was very impressed with a very similar impression with the game.. The career is simply great, plus I'm running Pat's one at the same time, (like the fact I can actualy do my own AAR's)..
I've invested in a few of the planes and the field mods, leaving out the aircraft I know I won't fly, so the system 777 have implemented works for me..

Gavagai over at ROF forum (the creator of the gunning mod) says that you do not have the most up to date gunner version.

Not busting your balls here I just want your fine work to be the best. You may want to look into it.

OK, I have revised the download with gavagai's latest AIgunner Mod.
Download link at first post.

Thanks mate, gonna have to check this one out. S!

I don't know . . . been noticing since the mod is installed, the AI (i.e., my flight lead in an N.17) doesn't seem to want to engage anything . . . one mission we flew right by a DFW C.V taking off as if he wasn't there. Another (an N.11, this time) left me to fight an Albatross D.II by myself while he (my flight lead) continued on the mission. Maybe its that way anyway, but only noticed it with the mod.

OK, I have the "standard" game installed with the newest update. I don't know what JSGME is and I'm not sure what folders have to be "merged" and merged to what?

I extracted the file and have the ModAI+AIgunner folder--do I just take that folder and place it in the main ROF folder, the folder that contains ROF campaign, data, updates, etc? The sim is working perfectly right now and I want to make sure I don't do anything to screw it up!!!

I haven't used this mod but have used JSGME before: JSGEM Web Site It's easy to esst up and use. Just go there and get the latest version and follow the easy directions to install. This allows you to go back and forth between using it and not having your original files get over written. You can do this manually of course but this makes it very easy. You can also just use the "Recovery" function if you don't like the mod and that will reset everything. Just make sure you have a copy of your input files that you've created (won't get deleted just have backups for safety's sake) and startup.cfg file and copy it back once the recovery is finished..

I started following ROF as something to while away the time while waiting for CloD. Although a lifelong WW2 aviation junkie I knew very litle about WW1 and could recognise maybe a handful of planes at best. ROF has opened up a whole new world of reading and flightsimming, the flight modelling drew me in initially and now its hard to fly anything else without the physics feeling a bit flat. The only other sims that compare in feeling of flight terms are Condor (Gliding sim) and the DCS series, and the comparison with the DCS series FM is quite understandable

Problems with not all of your flight engaging seem to happen mods-off, too, in the new career mode. Press 7 for "search for enemy air" to make sure that all of your flight engages the enemy.

Any help here?

Open the main RoF folder, open 'data', locate 'LuaScripts' and drop it in that folder..
Remember to check mods on before you start the game.. worked for me

Thannks mate-THAT'S what I was looking for!!!!

Thanks for packaging these great mods, they along with the updated viewing distance have really made the game enjoyable for me.

Cheers
Craig

Hate to be a weenie but just want to be 100%-leave the files in the unzipped folder and just insert the folder in LuaScripts folder-correct?

Does the name of the folder remain what it was when unzipped?

Yeah, I know-ya get kinda anal after 30+years of flyin'!


Kinda like preflighting the bird-saying "I'll look things over after I get back". When it leaves the ground-it's too late!

The actual mod folder with the files contained, are just dropped into your LuaScripts folder as is.. thats how it worked for me.
If you don't like the mod you just remove it from LuaScripts and everything is back to normal.

Just check you have unzipped your mod files to another folder, then remove the files 'ai' and 'world objects' and put them in your LuaScripts folder.
Or you could drop the 'data' folder into your main RoF folder and let it overwrite to the correct location.

Thanks again mate-appreciate the cover!

This may be too much to hope, but: would over-writing the original files eliminate the additional load time associated with "mods on," or is RoF too smart for that?

I don't think you can do that.
The original files are hard coded.

Updated download with latest version of gavagai's gunnerMod,
Also available a mod Combo originally put together by gavagai in Official RoF Forums.
More details in original post, (1st page)...

The files are "packed", but there is an unpacking utility available but no "repack" utility to reintroduce into the sim sans mod.

Two questions:

I'm looking for the files for the Handley-Page's gunners - they're missing from the mod (it would also be great to have the default gunner AI values).

I'm also looking for the contact info for the authors. I figure I should at least let them know before releasing my own version. I have been tweaking the gunners to have higher dispersion values and made them slower to move (taking into account the difficulties in a flying airplane). These are nice tweaks as the equalize player and AI gunners somewhat. I also returned the Brisfits to two gun configurations (as that is what is modeled) and restored the ammo count. I'm quite satisfied with the results.

gavagai, the author of the gunners Mod, is a regular at the Official RoF Forums, you can PM him there...

Updated Mods, including Spad 7 enhanced AI.
Revised download links at first post.

Media fire link is broke mate

Checked it and worked fine for me...

Nice one Elephant, will definitely give this a try.

Getting this when I click on the link in the first post,



HTTP 404 - Object Not Found


Both links that is.


Paul

I don't know what to say...why this is happening?
The links work for me.

Strange that Elephant_ ,Trooper had problems and myself and we are both from the UK.



HTTP 404 - Object Not Found
The requested URL was not found on this server.
thttpd/2.25b 29dec2003

Paul

The links worked for me earlier today...Thanks elephant.

Hector

I'll see if I can pick this mod out of the bunch because I'm not liking it personally.
If you're acting as a gunner this "1 out of 6" tracer really hobbles your ability to predict and adjust trajectory to make hits, unless you've got the skills/eye of the AI

Tracer load is, and was historically, a personal preference with 1 in 4 and 1 in 5 more common choices according to references. I do agree 1 in 3 is overdoing it...

Got it thanks from the ROF forums.



Paul

Perhaps of interest to some, Avimimus has also posted an interesting mod (built on and incorporating others) on August 30 that goes a little further in tweaking AI rear gunner variables.
LINK HERE

This is starting to get complicated choosing between the options, but the Avimimus mod does not have the reduced tracer...

Cheers!

What do you mean by "merge folders" ?

Thanks.

Well, if you don't want to use JSGME and choose the other method to install...
You should paste the data folder contained in the Mod of your preferance, to your RoF main directory.
Because there is already a data folder there, Windows will ask you if you want to merge the two folders to one.
You should choose Yes.
(Not sure if the English Windows use the word merge as I have the Greek version installed...hope it's understandable now)
Sorry if I was not clear enough, in the first place!

Wow! Criquet's AI mod is fabulous! The fights are so much more challenging now and don't just immediately drop to the deck anymore. It really adds a nice vertical element to the combat which, in my opinion, does an outstanding job of adding a lot of challenge to which air combat tactics you are going to use to survive, let alone win.

I just lost like 8 out of 10 Quick Missions of me in various Allied scouts (pup, triplane, N17) against a trio of Albatros DIII Aces. That used to be a walk in the park. Not anymore. My hats off to Criquet. Between this and the other mods out there, as well as the beta Career mode, Rise of Flight is rounding out very nicely.

Here's a quick 2 minute video of me trying to fight off all 3 Alb DIIIs in my little pup. I made a valiant attempt at staying in the middle and turning into my attackers, but alas...



If you haven't tried the mods elephant listed at the OP of this thread, I highly recommend them all. Nothing is perfect, but it certainly ups the realism and difficulty.

Hellshade

Any chance the R.E.8 is added to the pack?

The gunner mod includes the RE8.

Sorry guys, I haven't revised the download since September,
so RE.8 is not included in my file...
and probably is not compatible with v.1.023!
I'll do it ASAP...
Meanwhile, you can find the most recent gavagai's Mod Compilation file here:

http://riseofflight.com/Forum/viewtopic.php?f=278&t=22864

I'm new to to JSGME.
I have it installed with mods, but not sure how to change once new versions come out.
I guess just swap the old folders out and it's as simple as that?

You have to uninstall-disable the older mods, via JSGME, first and delete them.
Then drop the newer versions in the Mods folder and enable them.

Thanks

Hey guys!! I'm sorry if this has been asked before... I've skimmed through the post here, but may have missed it... I'm having a problem with the mod.

I downloaded it just fine, unzipped it, and "merged" the Data folder from the mod with the Data folder in my root RoF directory. That was simple. I then went back into the game and started a quick mission (I had the game in Mods On mode since before i downloaded this one). I selected my plane, enemy's plane, etc., and clicked Begin Mission. The game went to its usual slideshow of aircraft, the loading bar gets to about 75-80%, and all of a sudden it says that RoF.exe has stopped working. I can only play Mods Off now. Any ideas? I'd really love to get this mod working. I haven't shot down a single two-seater in my career (I'm too terrified to engage them... for good reason), and I've got something like 55-60 victories in ~6 weeks of combat. I'd REALLY love to see this new AI mod, plus the gunner mod as well :-P Thanks, guys. Keep up the good work, and happy hunting!!

Sounds like a mods install problem. From your description it doesn't sound like you installed to the JSGME 'Mods' folder.
If you didn't, go back into the "Data folder in my root RoF directory" and delete the folders/files you installed and see if that solves the game problem.

If RoF now works with mods, redownload the mod (if required) and read up on JSGME.

Thanks, Bandy. I'll give that a shot in just a bit. It may be that I don't have JSGME for RoF (I used to have it for IL2 and Silent Hunter). Is it required for this mod? Sorry if I missed a post saying it was.

Ok, so I answered my own question with the first post. JSGME isn't required. But, I did do as instructions in further posts said; I took the Data folder from the mod and overwrote the Data folder in my main RoF directory. I tried looking for folders to delete, but I'm not sure which one's I should. Any ideas? Thanks!

This info is taken from the following post. Go there and read up-lots of good info.


http://riseofflight.com/Forum/viewtopic.php?f=278&t=22864&start=240


A fail safe method would be this:

1. Delete the folder called "AI" in Rise of Flight\data\luascripts
2. Delete the "JSGMEMODS" folder in Rise of Flight
3. Copy in the new JSGMEMODS folder
4. Enable the mods you want

That way you shouldn't run into any of the ctd problems caused by an unnecessary file in the AI folder.

Thanks, guys. That did it. The new mod is in (with JSGME installed), and the game runs fine. Now I just have to test it later and watch my bee-hind get flamed by the new AI and even the re-tuned gunners Thanks again and happy hunting!!

Since my original merged, Criquet's AI + gavagai's gunners AI became obsolete,
I've replaced it with the latest gavagai's Mods Compilation for JSGME.
(Changed the thread title as well)
Download link at the now modified first post.

Thank you for keeping the post up to date, I nearly re-installed an old copy.

Noticed you have a mod for decreased AAA effectiveness.

I've mentioned this before in other threads, and others have also agreed, that some of us (for whatever reason) find exactly the opposite, that AAA is NOT effective at all. I suspect this happens on low to mid-range systems, where the processing thread for AAA is perhaps of less priority (compared to AI aircraft and other physics) and so simply does not generate a realistic flak experience. Just a guess, other opinions welcome...

Now that the AAA file is isolated, hope you don't mind if I try to find a better balance for RoF on my system and increase AAA activity.

I have included the latest AI Gunner Mod by Avimimus, in the Download.
You may now enable eithe gavagai's original AI Gunner Mod or the Avimimus' alternative.
What does the latter do:

I am guessing that the consensus for AI gunner mods is the Avimimus' alternative(???). Which one are you using, elephant?

Both latest gavagai's and Avimimus' AI Gunner Mods are included.
I'm using the latter, personaly, for the time being...

Question... When the mod is updated, do I have to delete my old JSGME out of my RoF directory, or just copy and paste the new mods into my MODS folder? I've noticed that the updated downloads are JSGME .zip files instead of the mod .zips. Just wondering in case I'm doing too much work for nothing.

Love these mods, btw. I just had a fight in the Albatros d.II against a flight of Nieuports. They were far above us, but instead of giving up their altitude advantage, they stayed up high till we had climbed up to them. Then, once we were up there, they used the Nieuport's better altitude performance to their advantage (We were up at around 8,000 feet), and we had a tough time turning with them. Shot them all down, though. I'm loving it.

No need to delete JSGME.
You have to run JSGME, disable and delete the old Mods first.
Then drop the new mods into your MODS folder, (whatever it's named), and enable the ones you want.

Thanks, elephant! That's what I was looking for. Happy hunting!!

I get this warning when installing the Avimimius_Gunner Mod


"Folder "data\LuaScripts\worldobjects" has already been added by the "AI gunner mod" mod.
"breguet14_t.txt" has already been altered by the "AI gunner mod" mod.
"bristolf2bf2_t.txt" has already been altered by the "AI gunner mod" mod.
"bristolf2bf3_t.txt" has already been altered by the "AI gunner mod" mod.
"dfwc5_t.txt" has already been altered by the "AI gunner mod" mod.
"gothag5_t1.txt" has already been altered by the "AI gunner mod" mod.
"gothag5_t2.txt" has already been altered by the "AI gunner mod" mod.
"hp400_t1.txt" has already been altered by the "AI gunner mod" mod.
"re8_t.txt" has already been altered by the "AI gunner mod" mod.
"turretcontrollerai.txt" has already been altered by the "AI gunner mod" mod.
"

should I be worried?

Oh I see, they're conflicting mods.
Which is better, the "AI gunner mod" or the Avimmimus gunner mod?

Hello,

To clarify:
- Gavagai's gunner mod keeps gunners from shooting trhough the fuselauge
- The Avimimus gunner mod, incorporates Gavagai's work *and* increases gunner dispersion, decreases the rotation rate of the gunner positions and heavily reworks the AI settings.

I'd recommend trying out my newest gunner mod - if only because it needs more testing. In particular, I'm curious about whether there are any ways to exploit the AI.

P.S.
The AI changes can be reversed through deleting 'turretcontrollerai.txt'
The AAA mod requires significant reworking (it hasn't been touched since September).

OK, thanks for the info.